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On Thu, 28 May 2009 17:43:32 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article 4a3ebad7.978279218@localhost,
Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 17:10:44 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article 4a3daeea.975230593@localhost,
Don Pearce wrote:
Well, my Hampstead penthouse (ok, normal house - much better than a
penthouse, I think ;-) has quite a few 100m XLR/XLR cables. They live
in a cupboard under the stairs most of the time.

We use riggers for that sort of lengths. ;-)

I'm far too clever for that! I keep them rolled up. :-) Actually they
live on drums with the inner first few feet hanging out through a hole
in the side. That way I only have to unroll as much as the job needs -
the rest can stay on the drum under the desk. Much the tidiest way.

Obviously in the TV studio you just grab the right length off the
rack.

Yes - and in general quite short. They only need to reach from the nearest
wallbox. And with a big rig we'd usually run in a snake or three - so use
even shorter singles. 100 metre ones would get into a dreadful tangle. ;-)

Luxury! But I'm also a great believer in minimizing the number of
connectors you have to run through - each one is the next failure
point. Snakes are good, but I can go a few hundred yards down the road
and lay hands on one that is still in service despite now having only
three of the original sixteen inners still working.

d

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In article 4a3fc096.979748921@localhost,
Don Pearce wrote:
Yes - and in general quite short. They only need to reach from the
nearest wallbox. And with a big rig we'd usually run in a snake or
three - so use even shorter singles. 100 metre ones would get into a
dreadful tangle. ;-)

Luxury! But I'm also a great believer in minimizing the number of
connectors you have to run through - each one is the next failure point.
Snakes are good, but I can go a few hundred yards down the road and lay
hands on one that is still in service despite now having only three of
the original sixteen inners still working.

That's what I used to dislike about my occasional flurries to outside
broadcasts - you'd pick up a breakout box with a note on it saying 'X&Y'
not working. Add in faults on the multicore and you might have less than
half the facilities you expected/needed. When I worked in studios we did
our own maintenance for cables, etc, and generally they'd all be fully
operational. But did use the highest military spec connectors. And of
course tended to be looked after. Nothing like having to fix faults
yourself to promote good practice.;-)

--
*Vegetarians taste great*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:31:21 +0300, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


The kind of casbles I am talking about are 50/100m XLR/XLR or
multiway 50/100s on drums. Just the thing for a penthouse in
Swiss Cottage or a posh town house in Brighton:-)

Iain


Jeez, no wonder all this wasn't making much sense - somehow Iain, you've
been in the ****ter (with Pucci!!) for some reason and I've not been seeing
your posts!

Also I've got *more off than on* connectivity problems atm!

(I think ADSL24 is trying to *tell me* summat..... :-)

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
news:4a3daeea.975230593@localhost...
On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:31:21 +0300, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


The kind of casbles I am talking about are 50/100m XLR/XLR or
multiway 50/100s on drums. Just the thing for a penthouse in
Swiss Cottage or a posh town house in Brighton:-)

Iain


Jeez, no wonder all this wasn't making much sense - somehow Iain, you've
been in the ****ter (with Pucci!!) for some reason and I've not been
seeing your posts!

Those who live by the '****ter' die by it. But it's nice to see it's not
only your 'friend' Iain who can't use something as simple as a newsreader.


Also I've got *more off than on* connectivity problems atm!

(I think ADSL24 is trying to *tell me* summat..... :-)

Hopefully. But I doubt you'll listen.

--
*I brake for no apparent reason.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

In professional recording, for tax reasons, equipment
is owned by companies and not by individuals,
even though of course those individuals are often
shareholders or partners in that company.

That might apply to recording studios - but in other areas the recordist
will supply the equipment.

In staff jobs you don't even need you own pencil.

For independents, music recording projects require
more than one person usually, and so people who work
together regularly form up as a team and often a company.
In this case the company owns eeverything, and may have
bought the equipment from the idividuals.


Indeed the hire charge often makes up a
considerable part of the fee. This is the norm in feature films, etc.
And since the division between audio equipment and musical instruments has
blurred somewhat a deal of that used may well not be owned by the studio
anymore.

I know a number of sound recordists, all of whom work for their
own companies. Peter Handford, (Oscar winner for sound "Out
of Africa") who had been on the staff art Decca, had his own
company. It was, he said, the only way to work, due to the tax
system. He owned nothing, but thecompany hired out the equipment
on which he did the recordings, just as you describe, Dave.

In fact Peter told me that it was not uncommon for people working
together on a lengthy project, a feature film, or a TV series to form
a company together for the duration of that project, just as is done
with film production companies.

Iain

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:31:21 +0300, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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I have never
met anyone with even the most casual interest in sound or recording
who didn't own at least one.

The kind of casbles I am talking about are 50/100m XLR/XLR or
multiway 50/100s on drums. Just the thing for a penthouse in
Swiss Cottage or a posh town house in Brighton:-)

Iain


Well, my Hampstead penthouse (ok, normal house - much better than a
penthouse, I think ;-) has quite a few 100m XLR/XLR cables. They live
in a cupboard under the stairs most of the time.


As students, we all owned bits of recording gear.
I had three 4channel Vortexion mixers, stackable
(be worth a fortune these days) a Binson Echorec
(remember those??) some Film Industries M8 mics.
I also had my own portable disc cutting lathe
(photo available for the Baptist disbelievers!)

But then when I got to Decca, and serious recording,
al the above became totally redundant.

Iain

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Why would skilled rprofessionals like Arthur Lilley
and Aerthur Wilkinson need to "own" anything
when the company can supply their every need,
even mics they coduld no longer be bought for
love or money:-) What they *do* supply is
their skill,. experience ad expertise.


Apologies for typos (cat sitting between
keyboard and monitor!!)

I meant to write:

even mics that chould no longer be bought......

Third G&T of the day, Iain? ;-)

No G+T's before 1900 hrs Dave:-)

My cat likes to sit between keyboard
and monitor. He gradually spreads himself
out,. as cats do, until the keyboard is in
my lap and I can't see the screen.

Iain

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Why would skilled rprofessionals like Arthur Lilley
and Aerthur Wilkinson need to "own" anything
when the company can supply their every need,
even mics they coduld no longer be bought for
love or money:-) What they *do* supply is
their skill,. experience ad expertise.


Apologies for typos (cat sitting between
keyboard and monitor!!)

I meant to write:

even mics that chould no longer be bought......

Third G&T of the day, Iain? ;-)

No G+T's before 1900 hrs Dave:-)

My cat likes to sit between keyboard
and monitor. He gradually spreads himself
out,


I think Pucci would like to be able to do that, Iain - pity you live so far
away....

:-)

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"Keith G" wrote in message


Yes, but Arny's asking Iain to come up with the receipt
(or whatever) to prove the falsifiability of his own
claim - that ain't right, is it?

Without proof, there is no way to tell truth from lies.

Iain made the claim - let him prove it. Otherwise, he's just talking trash.
Given his track record for talking trash - he's likely talking trash.

BTW Iain's claim - that neither gentleman has ever owned a mic or a mic
cable was a stupid claim to make. It's a negative hypothesis and everybody
with a brain (which excludes many here) knows that negative claims are
difficult or impossible to prove.

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message


My point is that the ownership of a shoebox full of
toyshop mics and a budget recording desk wheeled
around on a wobbly handcart and used for volunteer
work at the local church does not make one a
professional recording engineer:-)

Of course that's true Iain.

However, with that you said nothing about me.

Your idea of a "budget recording desk" seems to be a Yamaha 02R96, which is
a 56 channel digital box with unimpeachable chops.

Your idea of "toyshop mics" include microphones made by Countryman, Audix,
and Shure - some of the leading producers in the world.

The wobbly handcart is a complete fabrication of your twisted mind.


In professional recording, for tax reasons, equipment
is owned by companies and not by individuals,
even though of course those individuals are often
shareholders or partners in that company.

Right Iain, but even professional recording engineers have a little personal
equipment squirreled away, someplace.


Why would skilled professionals like Arthur Lilley
and Arthur Wilkinson need to "own" anything
when the company can supply their every need,
even mics they could no longer be bought for
love or money:-) What they *do* supply is
their skill,. experience ad expertise.

Does a chef own all the pots and pans, dishes and
cutlery in the restaurant in which he works?

Not necessarily, but chefs do have a few pots and pans at home.

You specifically claimed that these "chefs" have neither 1 pot, nor 1 pan,
nor 1 spoon. You're talking rubbish!

Use of the term professional makes two assumptions.

1. That the individual has the formal training and
qualifications recognized in that profession.

I have a BS degree in engineering. What is your degree in, Iain? Do you
even have a University degree, Iain?

2. That the individual relies upon this for employment
which brings him/her the majority of his/her income.

So Iain, you have a copy of my tax return before you?

Otherwise Iain, you are talking trash.