"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Nothing wrong with balanced of course - it's the pro standard -
but a bit OTT for domestic use.

Not at all. A balanced input and output can be made for mere pence more than
unbalanced ones and can solve a whole host of problems.

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Eeyore wrote:
Nothing wrong with balanced of course - it's the pro standard -
but a bit OTT for domestic use.

Not at all. A balanced input and output can be made for mere pence more
than unbalanced ones and can solve a whole host of problems.

Mere pence when you include decent XLRs? Love to know where you buy them
for that...

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Nothing wrong with balanced of course - it's the pro standard -
but a bit OTT for domestic use.

Not at all. A balanced input and output can be made for mere pence more
than unbalanced ones and can solve a whole host of problems.

Mere pence when you include decent XLRs? Love to know where you buy them
for that...

Do you know how cheap the Chinese copy XLRs are now ? They're perfectly
decent for the job. A tiny fraction of the cost of an idiotic Monster etc
cable with an equally idiotic RCA connector on the end of it.

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Eeyore wrote:
Mere pence when you include decent XLRs? Love to know where you buy
them for that...

Do you know how cheap the Chinese copy XLRs are now ? They're perfectly
decent for the job.

My experiences of cheap XLRs isn't positive - I tend to stick to Neutric.
But then they're used for the purpose intended.

A tiny fraction of the cost of an idiotic Monster etc
cable with an equally idiotic RCA connector on the end of it.

Heh heh - I wouldn't waste money on those either. I've not found phonos to
be an unreliable connector - unless they get a great deal of
plugging/unplugging. Something they're not designed for.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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I've not found phonos to
be an unreliable connector - unless they get a great deal of
plugging/unplugging. Something they're not designed for.


I agree, decent quality phonos are perfectly up to the job they are designed
for. I'd rather have them than cheap XLRs any day.

David.

David Looser wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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I've not found phonos to
be an unreliable connector - unless they get a great deal of
plugging/unplugging. Something they're not designed for.


I agree, decent quality phonos are perfectly up to the job they are designed
for. I'd rather have them than cheap XLRs any day.

No they're not. A quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector
"The signal-carrying pin protrudes from the plug, and often comes into contact with the socket
before the grounded rings meet, resulting in loud hum or buzz if the audio components are powered
while making connections. Continuous noise can occur if the plug partially falls out of the jack,
breaking ground connection but not the signal."

You may not have noticed because RCA plugs have been around longer than you have,
but it's a crap design.
DIN plugs are better, when the shields are connected, but really should have been designed
with the ground pin longer so it makes contact first.

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Eiron wrote:
I agree, decent quality phonos are perfectly up to the job they are
designed for. I'd rather have them than cheap XLRs any day.

No they're not. A quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector
"The signal-carrying pin protrudes from the plug, and often comes into
contact with the socket before the grounded rings meet, resulting in
loud hum or buzz if the audio components are powered while making
connections.

Why would you want to connect one to a selected input? They're designed
for fixed installations - not a mobile PA rig. And any connector can cause
a splat when plugged to a live input regardless of whether the ground
mates first.

Continuous noise can occur if the plug partially falls out
of the jack, breaking ground connection but not the signal."

I've probably got hundreds of the things - and never had one fall out.
They're usually too tight for that. Unlike those stupid DIN plugs.

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:56:12 +0100, Eiron wrote:

No they're not. A quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector
"The signal-carrying pin protrudes from the plug, and often comes into contact with the socket
before the grounded rings meet, resulting in loud hum or buzz if the audio components are powered
while making connections. Continuous noise can occur if the plug partially falls out of the jack,
breaking ground connection but not the signal."

We've already established they're not suitable (or designed) for
patch-bay use. They're fine for their purpose.

Can't we have YOUR opinions and experience, not Wikipedia's?

Eiron wrote:

DIN plugs are better, when the shields are connected, but really should have been designed with the
ground pin longer so it makes contact first.

Shame about that. The DIN design would have been much better with a ground pin 'mate first' design
and preferably a little larger to get some decent cable into it. C'est la vie.

Anyone seen a DIN connector recently on new gear ?

Graham

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David Looser wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

I've not found phonos to
be an unreliable connector - unless they get a great deal of
plugging/unplugging. Something they're not designed for.

I agree, decent quality phonos are perfectly up to the job they are designed
for. I'd rather have them than cheap XLRs any day.

WRONG !

By design, an XLR beats an RCA jack any day. It is also inherently designed to
carry a balanced signal with all the attendant advantages that offers.

Graham

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