In article , Ian Iveson
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Jim Lesurf wrote:

Thank heavens for Hi Fi News.

Of course I rushed out to buy my wonderful Isolda cables immediately.
With the old Maplin leads, *anything* might have been happening.
After all, some amplifiers have some problems with some other cables,
and since we don't know which amplifiers, or what problems, or which
cables, it's better to be on the safe side.

Shame you didn't read the above article with more care.

Left to right, top to bottom, line by line. How much care does reading
need?

Erm.. I think it may require that you employ your mind as well as your eye
muscles. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Ian Iveson wrote:

Jim Lesurf wrote:

I've just put up a new webpage that provides some
measurements on the
properties of a variety of loudspeaker cables. The page is
at

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/HFN/Cables3/TakeTheLead.html

It is an expanded version of the article published in 'Hi
Fi News' a few months ago.

Thank heavens for Hi Fi News.

Of course I rushed out to buy my wonderful Isolda cables
immediately. With the old Maplin leads, *anything* might
have been happening. After all, some amplifiers have some
problems with some other cables, and since we don't know
which amplifiers, or what problems, or which cables, it's
better to be on the safe side.

Treated myself to a matched pair of Cosmic Flux Pyramids,
just to be sure.

For once I can side with you Ian ! ;~)

Graham


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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:10:40 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:

Hi,

I've just put up a new webpage that provides some measurements on the
properties of a variety of loudspeaker cables. The page is at

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/HFN/Cables3/TakeTheLead.html

It is an expanded version of the article published in 'Hi Fi News' a few
months ago.

Slainte,

Jim

Skin effect at audio frequencies?? Haven't you described this as resulting
in about 0.02dB loss at 25kHz over near dc? hardly noticeable unless
you're a Vulcan :-)
At my age (50's) my auditory system is so shot I'm glad I can still hear
sounds above the tinnitus.

Ahem, this debate seems to have been going on for more years than I care to
remember. To me, the main reason why some cables do sound different is bad
design of output stages themselves. After all, speakers are very weird loads
and if an amp is going to sound different just due to cables then it does
not bode well for how it will drive real speakers.

Ducks behind potted plant.

Brian

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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:10:40 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:

Hi,

I've just put up a new webpage that provides some measurements on the
properties of a variety of loudspeaker cables. The page is at

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/HFN/Cables3/TakeTheLead.html

It is an expanded version of the article published in 'Hi Fi News' a few
months ago.

Slainte,

Jim

Skin effect at audio frequencies?? Haven't you described this as resulting
in about 0.02dB loss at 25kHz over near dc? hardly noticeable unless
you're a Vulcan :-)
At my age (50's) my auditory system is so shot I'm glad I can still hear
sounds above the tinnitus.

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:11:47 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

Ahem, this debate seems to have been going on for more years than I care
to remember. To me, the main reason why some cables do sound different is
bad design of output stages themselves. After all, speakers are very weird
loads and if an amp is going to sound different just due to cables then it
does not bode well for how it will drive real speakers.

I'd say there is some truth in what you say but alas I have never come
across a situation where the substitution with bell wire of much heavier
multi-strand in the speaker leads where I can hear any difference between
the two and I have used some of the crappiest audio amps.



Ducks behind potted plant.

Brian

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:19:12 +0100, John wrote:

Ahem, this debate seems to have been going on for more years than I care
to remember. To me, the main reason why some cables do sound different is
bad design of output stages themselves. After all, speakers are very weird
loads and if an amp is going to sound different just due to cables then it
does not bode well for how it will drive real speakers.

I'd say there is some truth in what you say but alas I have never come
across a situation where the substitution with bell wire of much heavier
multi-strand in the speaker leads where I can hear any difference between
the two and I have used some of the crappiest audio amps.


That's the only time I ever HAVE heard a difference, when competent
cable was substituted with an excessive length of bell wire. The
music got a little quieter.
See: www.auym23.dsl.pipex.com/cables.html

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:22:33 +0100, Laurence Payne wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:19:12 +0100, John wrote:

Ahem, this debate seems to have been going on for more years than I
care to remember. To me, the main reason why some cables do sound
different is bad design of output stages themselves. After all,
speakers are very weird loads and if an amp is going to sound different
just due to cables then it does not bode well for how it will drive
real speakers.

I'd say there is some truth in what you say but alas I have never come
across a situation where the substitution with bell wire of much heavier
multi-strand in the speaker leads where I can hear any difference between
the two and I have used some of the crappiest audio amps.


That's the only time I ever HAVE heard a difference, when competent cable
was substituted with an excessive length of bell wire. The music got a
little quieter.
See: www.auym23.dsl.pipex.com/cables.html

Excessive length could mean a long run. I didn't do any long/short
comparison.