I have a number of (predominantly jazz) mono albums I want to 'digitise' and
they present me with an interesting dilmma - whether to record them as 'dual
mono' or 'mono mono'..??

So, is there any convention or meaningful reason why they should not be
recorded as 'dual mono' if I choose, or indeed is there any merit in
recording them thus?? One thing I notice is the spitchy bits (no cleaning on
these samples) are nicely moved into the middle and in some way buried in
the mono transcriptions, but I do hear other interesting differences!

Here are a couple of near-identical samples to compa

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/DBdualmono.mp3

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/DBmonomono.mp3

Anyone with any thoughts?

TIA, as usual....

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
I have a number of (predominantly jazz) mono albums I want to 'digitise'
and they present me with an interesting dilmma - whether to record them
as 'dual mono' or 'mono mono'..??


Do you mean by 'dual mono' using a stereo cart and keeping things stereo
throughout? Or feeding a 'proper' mono signal to left and right legs of a
stereo signal?

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
I have a number of (predominantly jazz) mono albums I want to 'digitise'
and they present me with an interesting dilmma - whether to record them
as 'dual mono' or 'mono mono'..??


Do you mean by 'dual mono' using a stereo cart and keeping things stereo
throughout? Or feeding a 'proper' mono signal to left and right legs of a
stereo signal?


The former: a 100% two channel 'stereo' setup all the way from the pickup to
the soundcard; then either capturing/saving as two, L+R channels - what I
call 'dual mono' when from a 'mono' source, or one channel - what I call
'mono mono' in this instance, to differentiate from a more usual mono
capture from a stereo recording!

"Keith G"
I have a number of (predominantly jazz) mono albums I want to 'digitise'
and they present me with an interesting dilmma - whether to record them as
'dual mono' or 'mono mono'..??

So, is there any convention or meaningful reason why they should not be
recorded as 'dual mono' if I choose, or indeed is there any merit in
recording them thus?? One thing I notice is the spitchy bits (no cleaning
on these samples) are nicely moved into the middle and in some way buried
in the mono transcriptions, but I do hear other interesting differences!


** The interesting thing about surface noise on a vinyl LP is that it is
always in stereo !!

In the case of a mono LP, the music is gonna appear smack in the centre of a
pair of stereo speaker - if everything is well matched up.

This makes it possible to mentally " tune out " such surface noise as it is
not coming from the same direction as the music but rather from the far left
and far right of it.



....... Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
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"Keith G"
I have a number of (predominantly jazz) mono albums I want to 'digitise'
and they present me with an interesting dilmma - whether to record them as
'dual mono' or 'mono mono'..??

So, is there any convention or meaningful reason why they should not be
recorded as 'dual mono' if I choose, or indeed is there any merit in
recording them thus?? One thing I notice is the spitchy bits (no cleaning
on these samples) are nicely moved into the middle and in some way buried
in the mono transcriptions, but I do hear other interesting differences!


** The interesting thing about surface noise on a vinyl LP is that it is
always in stereo !!


Certainly is when you are playing it, but it gets nicely buried (to a point)
when transcribed to a mono recording!



In the case of a mono LP, the music is gonna appear smack in the centre of
a pair of stereo speaker - if everything is well matched up.


A 'dual mono' waveform is a good visual check for the overall channel
balance of the recording/replay sysytem!



This makes it possible to mentally " tune out " such surface noise as it
is not coming from the same direction as the music but rather from the far
left and far right of it.


And is always 'up front and in your face' when the music 'soundstage' goes
*way back over there*! The trick I suspect successful vinylistas manage to
achieve most of the time is simply to follow the music and ignore the
fireworks off to the side!

"Keith Git "

"Phil Allison"


** The interesting thing about surface noise on a vinyl LP is that it is
always in stereo !!


Certainly is when you are playing it, but it gets nicely buried (to a
point) when transcribed to a mono recording!


** Totally false assertion.

Surface noise is independent of the signal level impressed on the disk.

****head.



In the case of a mono LP, the music is gonna appear smack in the centre
of a pair of stereo speaker - if everything is well matched up.


A 'dual mono' waveform is a good visual check for the overall channel
balance of the recording/replay sysytem!

** Meaningless drivel.

Yawwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn......


This makes it possible to mentally " tune out " such surface noise as it
is not coming from the same direction as the music but rather from the
far left and far right of it.


And is always 'up front and in your face' when the music 'soundstage' goes
*way back over there*!


** This trolling ****head asked folk for information.

But all the ****ing stupid ass REALLY wanted was a fight.

Game on.




...... Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
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"Keith Git "


??

Uh oh, he's *gone* again....

silly nutter crap snipped - saves wasting time....



** This trolling ****head asked folk for information.


'Trolling' is a bit strong - more of a 'roll call' if anything (it has been
very quiet in here)....



But all the ****ing stupid ass REALLY wanted was a fight.


No, that's you....


Game on.


I think not: a) you're a nutter and I was once advised never to waste time
reasoning with nutters and b) you really aren't that interesting!

(Sorry...)

So - guess again, sunshine!

;-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Keith Git "


??

Uh oh, he's *gone* again....


Haven't you noticed, Keith?
There's a full moon.

Iain

"Keith the Trolling Git "

"Phil Allison"


** The interesting thing about surface noise on a vinyl LP is that it is
always in stereo !!


Certainly is when you are playing it, but it gets nicely buried (to a
point) when transcribed to a mono recording!


** Totally false assertion.

Surface noise is independent of the signal level impressed on the disk.

****head.



In the case of a mono LP, the music is gonna appear smack in the centre
of a pair of stereo speaker - if everything is well matched up.


A 'dual mono' waveform is a good visual check for the overall channel
balance of the recording/replay sysytem!

** Meaningless drivel.

Yawwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn......


This makes it possible to mentally " tune out " such surface noise as it
is not coming from the same direction as the music but rather from the
far left and far right of it.


And is always 'up front and in your face' when the music 'soundstage' goes
*way back over there*!


** This trolling ****head asked folk for information.

But all the ****ing stupid ass REALLY wanted was a fight.

Game on.




...... Phil

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:24:36 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

I have a number of (predominantly jazz) mono albums I want to 'digitise' and
they present me with an interesting dilmma - whether to record them as 'dual
mono' or 'mono mono'..??

So, is there any convention or meaningful reason why they should not be
recorded as 'dual mono' if I choose, or indeed is there any merit in
recording them thus?? One thing I notice is the spitchy bits (no cleaning on
these samples) are nicely moved into the middle and in some way buried in
the mono transcriptions, but I do hear other interesting differences!

Here are a couple of near-identical samples to compa

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/DBdualmono.mp3

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/DBmonomono.mp3

Anyone with any thoughts?

TIA, as usual....






You can use the dual mono signal quite handily. Put it into your audio
software and use the facility (which most have) of centre channel or
vocal extraction. That way you will lose the spitches (which are 99%
left or right, but never centre), and keep the good stuff.

Also if you need to do any real repairs to remove a pop, you can
select the option to copy and paste from one channel to the other.

Then save it as pure mono, and it will halve the file size.

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