Music download sites offering CD quality.
 

There are many web sites that will let you download music in mp3 format,
though not all show what bit rate the files are stored in.

Can anyone recommend any sites that have a large selection of music in a CD
quality format, such as WMA Lossless or FLAC 16/44.1


--
Michael Chare

Music download sites offering CD quality.
 

Michael Chare wrote:
There are many web sites that will let you download music in mp3 format,
though not all show what bit rate the files are stored in.

Can anyone recommend any sites that have a large selection of music in a
CD quality format, such as WMA Lossless or FLAC 16/44.1


http://www.linnrecords.com/

--
Adrian C

Music download sites offering CD quality.
 

In article , Adrian C
wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:
There are many web sites that will let you download music in mp3
format, though not all show what bit rate the files are stored in.

Can anyone recommend any sites that have a large selection of music in
a CD quality format, such as WMA Lossless or FLAC 16/44.1


http://www.linnrecords.com/

IIRC Chandos also do this. Although personally I prefer to just buy a CD.
:-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Music download sites offering CD quality.
 

"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Michael Chare wrote:
There are many web sites that will let you download music in mp3 format,
though not all show what bit rate the files are stored in.

Can anyone recommend any sites that have a large selection of music in a
CD quality format, such as WMA Lossless or FLAC 16/44.1


http://www.linnrecords.com/


Thanks, there is also Naim. It was the 'large selection' (of back catalogue
items) that I was looking for.

There was a Louis Armstrong record 'Satchmo plays King Oliver' that I have
been looking for.
It was originally an LP and then re-issued on CD I think with a few more
tracks.

The CD version out of print but someone is selling them on Amazon for $35
plus shipping, which is a bit more that I want to spend!

I could also download various MP3 versions but I am not sure of the quality.

With some effort I may be able to find the same tracks on other CDs.


--
Michael Chare

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Michael Chare wrote:

The CD version out of print but someone is selling them on Amazon for
$35 plus shipping, which is a bit more that I want to spend!

I could also download various MP3 versions but I am not sure of the
quality.

Well it's not a download, but it's there on Spotify
http://open.spotify.com/album/6ctQBzTMSyhT2bRlIZRJrZ

Sounds OK compressed 320kbits OGG for me (Premium sub)

--
Adrian C

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"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...
There are many web sites that will let you download music in
mp3 format, though not all show what bit rate the files are
stored in.

Can anyone recommend any sites that have a large selection of
music in a CD quality format, such as WMA Lossless or FLAC
16/44.1


--
Michael Chare


Legal Sounds do many mp3s at 192K or higher - and it shows you
the sample rate per track before you commit.


And they are CHEAP!



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Woody wrote:

Legal Sounds do many mp3s at 192K or higher - and it shows you
the sample rate per track before you commit.


And they are CHEAP!


Royalty fees going the wrong place unfortunately.

You may as well download stuff from torrents for all the good signing up
with that russian place.

Thought the 'powers that be' had cracked down on that!

:-(

--
Adrian C

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"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Michael Chare wrote:

The CD version out of print but someone is selling them on Amazon for $35
plus shipping, which is a bit more that I want to spend!

I could also download various MP3 versions but I am not sure of the
quality.

Well it's not a download, but it's there on Spotify
http://open.spotify.com/album/6ctQBzTMSyhT2bRlIZRJrZ

Sounds OK compressed 320kbits OGG for me (Premium sub)

--
Adrian C


Thanks I found the music that I was looking for on another web site.

I was in fact able to save a track about 700kb long. The file is .ra and I
can play it with Real Player and winamp (with an additional codec) but as
yet I have been unable to convert the file to a more useful format.

However unfortunately the music has clearly been taken from a some what
scratchy record.


--
Michael Chare

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Adrian C
wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:
There are many web sites that will let you download music in mp3
format, though not all show what bit rate the files are stored in.

Can anyone recommend any sites that have a large selection of music in
a CD quality format, such as WMA Lossless or FLAC 16/44.1


http://www.linnrecords.com/

IIRC Chandos also do this. Although personally I prefer to just buy a CD.
:-)



Thanks, the lossless downloads don't cost much less than the CDs so I take
your point.


--
Michael Chare

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Michael Chare wrote:

Thanks I found the music that I was looking for on another web site.

I was in fact able to save a track about 700kb long. The file is .ra
and I can play it with Real Player and winamp (with an additional codec)
but as yet I have been unable to convert the file to a more useful format.

However unfortunately the music has clearly been taken from a some what
scratchy record.


Yuk, that don't sound good. Er, Real audio, that really WON'T sound good.

Michael, please have a look at installing Spotify and trying it out for
yourself. If you need an invite to try the free* version just ask, I've
got a few to give.

*The free version is limited to 160 kbit/s Ogg Vorbis, but will easily
surpass what you have there.

--
Adrian C

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"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Michael Chare wrote:

Thanks I found the music that I was looking for on another web site.

I was in fact able to save a track about 700kb long. The file is .ra and
I can play it with Real Player and winamp (with an additional codec) but
as yet I have been unable to convert the file to a more useful format.

However unfortunately the music has clearly been taken from a some what
scratchy record.


Yuk, that don't sound good. Er, Real audio, that really WON'T sound good.

Michael, please have a look at installing Spotify and trying it out for
yourself. If you need an invite to try the free* version just ask, I've
got a few to give.

*The free version is limited to 160 kbit/s Ogg Vorbis, but will easily
surpass what you have there.



Thanks for your offer, I will think about it. I have since found
songs.sky.com and they do have the CD that I was looking for.

I can play a short clip and it clearly sounds much better. They say that
all music is either in 192 or 320 kbps MP3 format. What they don't say is
what they use for a a particular album or song.

My impression is that Sky have a large catalogue.


--
Michael Chare

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"Michael Chare" wrote in
message
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Adrian C
wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:
There are many web sites that will let you download
music in mp3 format, though not all show what bit rate
the files are stored in. Can anyone recommend any sites that have a
large
selection of music in a CD quality format, such as WMA
Lossless or FLAC 16/44.1

http://www.linnrecords.com/

IIRC Chandos also do this. Although personally I prefer
to just buy a CD. :-)

Thanks, the lossless downloads don't cost much less than
the CDs so I take your point.

Immediate gratification has a lot to do with the popularity of downloads.

Music download sites offering CD quality.
 

"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Adrian C
wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:
There are many web sites that will let you download music in mp3
format, though not all show what bit rate the files are stored in.

Can anyone recommend any sites that have a large selection of music in
a CD quality format, such as WMA Lossless or FLAC 16/44.1


http://www.linnrecords.com/

IIRC Chandos also do this. Although personally I prefer to just buy a CD.
:-)



Thanks, the lossless downloads don't cost much less than the CDs



Which is a ludicrous proposition of course, but that doesn't surprise me in
the least given the sort of person who will be downloading them. What I want
to know is if these are available online presumably anywhere in the world,
how do they apply the usual ***** Britain* surcharges for 'digital music' -
which have been typically US x 2 and Europe x 1.5 for about the last quarter
of a century....??

Music download sites offering CD quality.
 

Michael Chare wrote:

Thanks for your offer, I will think about it. I have since found
songs.sky.com and they do have the CD that I was looking for.

I can play a short clip and it clearly sounds much better. They say
that all music is either in 192 or 320 kbps MP3 format. What they don't
say is what they use for a a particular album or song.

My impression is that Sky have a large catalogue.


Fair enough. Good you found your tracks!

BTW Today's stats for Spotify for the UK

Albums: 502,025
Artists: 412,012
Tracks: 5,704,792

(Tip: Enter 'year:0-3000' in the search for the above totals)

Which at the moment is round about similar to Sky Songs. However there
will be differences in all these streaming and download services on what
is available.

However IMO Spotify's interface is better worked out, can be taken
portable, (and no funds go towards that nasty man...)


--
Adrian C

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Michael Chare" wrote in
message
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Adrian C
wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:
There are many web sites that will let you download
music in mp3 format, though not all show what bit rate
the files are stored in. Can anyone recommend any sites that have a
large
selection of music in a CD quality format, such as WMA
Lossless or FLAC 16/44.1

http://www.linnrecords.com/

IIRC Chandos also do this. Although personally I prefer
to just buy a CD. :-)

Thanks, the lossless downloads don't cost much less than
the CDs so I take your point.

Immediate gratification has a lot to do with the popularity of downloads.

Yes, I was looking at it a different way!

I can understand it if the record companies don't want to hold atocks of old
CDs in their back catalogues. Sales are no doubt falling.

The CD technolgy will go the way of 78s, Vinyl LPs and cassette tapes. You
can now store more than 1000 CDs on a single disc drive.

So I would like to see record companies making their complete catalogues
available online so that people can download what they want.


--
Michael Chare

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"Michael Chare" wrote in message

I can understand it if the record companies don't want to hold atocks of
old CDs in their back catalogues. Sales are no doubt falling.

The CD technolgy will go the way of 78s, Vinyl LPs and cassette tapes.
You can now store more than 1000 CDs on a single disc drive.

I agree, I see the commercial CD vanishing within a relatively short time.
As sales continue to decline the economics of manufacture and distribution
will make CDs too expensive for the record companies to bother with.
Ironically I see the LP as possibly outliving the CD as it will continue to
appeal to the "fetish" market (i.e. those to whom owning a physical object
is really important). But that market won't be enough to save more than a
handful of record shops, the vast majority of which will disappear off our
high streets within the next decade.

So I would like to see record companies making their complete catalogues
available online so that people can download what they want.

I'm sure it will happen, download distribution makes it economic to continue
to make slow-moving lines available. Deletion from the catalogue will no
longer make economic or marketing sense. There may be a few recordings which
can't be made available for download, due to rights issues etc. But I'm sure
the vast majority of once deleted commercial recordings will eventually
become available again for purchase by download.

David.

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"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Michael Chare" wrote in
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I can understand it if the record companies don't want to hold
atocks of old CDs in their back catalogues. Sales are no doubt
falling.

The CD technolgy will go the way of 78s, Vinyl LPs and
cassette tapes. You can now store more than 1000 CDs on a
single disc drive.

I agree, I see the commercial CD vanishing within a relatively
short time. As sales continue to decline the economics of
manufacture and distribution will make CDs too expensive for
the record companies to bother with. Ironically I see the LP as
possibly outliving the CD as it will continue to appeal to the
"fetish" market (i.e. those to whom owning a physical object is
really important). But that market won't be enough to save more
than a handful of record shops, the vast majority of which will
disappear off our high streets within the next decade.

So I would like to see record companies making their complete
catalogues available online so that people can download what
they want.

I'm sure it will happen, download distribution makes it
economic to continue to make slow-moving lines available.
Deletion from the catalogue will no longer make economic or
marketing sense. There may be a few recordings which can't be
made available for download, due to rights issues etc. But I'm
sure the vast majority of once deleted commercial recordings
will eventually become available again for purchase by
download.

David.





If that does happen then it will immediately disadvantage a large
proportion of the population - those that don't have (or can't
have) Internet access.

What is more the load on the Internet infrastructure that it will
impose - especially for those who want the best quality downloads
(e.g. classical and jazz) - will drag it down to a crawl.

It may happen in time, but a LOT of money will have to be spent
first, and whilst everything is driven by bean-counters and
short-termism I don't see it coming about.



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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:58:59 -0000, "Woody"
wrote:

"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Michael Chare" wrote in
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I can understand it if the record companies don't want to hold
atocks of old CDs in their back catalogues. Sales are no doubt
falling.

The CD technolgy will go the way of 78s, Vinyl LPs and
cassette tapes. You can now store more than 1000 CDs on a
single disc drive.

I agree, I see the commercial CD vanishing within a relatively
short time. As sales continue to decline the economics of
manufacture and distribution will make CDs too expensive for
the record companies to bother with. Ironically I see the LP as
possibly outliving the CD as it will continue to appeal to the
"fetish" market (i.e. those to whom owning a physical object is
really important). But that market won't be enough to save more
than a handful of record shops, the vast majority of which will
disappear off our high streets within the next decade.

So I would like to see record companies making their complete
catalogues available online so that people can download what
they want.

I'm sure it will happen, download distribution makes it
economic to continue to make slow-moving lines available.
Deletion from the catalogue will no longer make economic or
marketing sense. There may be a few recordings which can't be
made available for download, due to rights issues etc. But I'm
sure the vast majority of once deleted commercial recordings
will eventually become available again for purchase by
download.

David.





If that does happen then it will immediately disadvantage a large
proportion of the population - those that don't have (or can't
have) Internet access.


I think the law of supply and demand will deal with that. Back in the
day, large groups of people were disadvantaged by lack of a record
player or CD player. People catch up. As far as I know the only people
who actually can't have Internet access are convicted terrorists and
paedophiles.

What is more the load on the Internet infrastructure that it will
impose - especially for those who want the best quality downloads
(e.g. classical and jazz) - will drag it down to a crawl.


In the early days of broadband, many ISPs went in for local cacheing
of data, to help out their struggling backbone infrastructure. It
didn't work because they underestimated the dynamic nature of web
pages. But whole sites dedicated to serving music and films are a
different ball games, and local caches at the POPs would fix that
issue.

It may happen in time, but a LOT of money will have to be spent
first, and whilst everything is driven by bean-counters and
short-termism I don't see it coming about.

At some point there will be a short (or at least medium) term
advantage and it will happen. That will be a one-way street, I think.

d

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In article , David Looser
wrote:
"Michael Chare" wrote in message

I can understand it if the record companies don't want to hold atocks
of old CDs in their back catalogues. Sales are no doubt falling.

The CD technolgy will go the way of 78s, Vinyl LPs and cassette
tapes. You can now store more than 1000 CDs on a single disc drive.

I agree, I see the commercial CD vanishing within a relatively short
time.

That may well be so for 'mass market' audio CDs. But I suspect the future
will be more diverse and so CDDA in some form may persist.

IIRC some small 'serious music' companies are already experimenting with
selling 'CDs' by generating 'on demand' CDRs when a disc is ordered. That
method could easily accompany downloading since writing CDs in that way is
a low-cost option.

I also suspect people will become wary of 'put all your CDs onto a HD' when
they experience HD failures and/or proprietary software interfering with
what they are 'allowed' to play or copy.

An advantage of the CDDA format is that is has become a sort of 'lingua
franca'. You can use CDDA to store musical recordings to plater play or
load into a range of devices. You can snail-mail them to people who have no
broadband connection, etc.

So I won't be suprised if the traditional commerical CD vanishes for mass
markets like pop music. But I have my doubts that it will totally vanish.
Although it may be replaced in time by some other 'lingua franca', as yet I
haven't seen one establish itself. Computer-based formats tend to suffer
from the 'Windows effect' where microsoft try to break/change/control
things and so having a stable format can be disrupted. And devices like DVD
players tend to treat formats other than their primary standard in ways
that vary from one player/brand to another.

BTW I ordered 8 CDs this morning. None of them 'pop' music. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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"Woody" wrote

If that does happen then it will immediately disadvantage a large
proportion of the population - those that don't have (or can't have)
Internet access.

Large? How large is that proportion of the population? IMO is small and
getting smaller all the time. How many people are too far from a record shop
to readily get to one?

What is more the load on the Internet infrastructure that it will impose -
especially for those who want the best quality downloads (e.g. classical
and jazz) - will drag it down to a crawl.


Trivial compared to the load imposed by video streaming, eg. BBC iPlayer.

It may happen in time, but a LOT of money will have to be spent first, and
whilst everything is driven by bean-counters and short-termism I don't see
it coming about.

It's precisely *because* everything is driven by bean-counters that I see
this happening. Put simply sales by download are much cheaper for the record
companies.

David.




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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , David Looser
wrote:
..

I agree, I see the commercial CD vanishing within a relatively short
time.

That may well be so for 'mass market' audio CDs. But I suspect the future
will be more diverse and so CDDA in some form may persist.

It was the mass-market that I had in mind.

IIRC some small 'serious music' companies are already experimenting with
selling 'CDs' by generating 'on demand' CDRs when a disc is ordered. That
method could easily accompany downloading since writing CDs in that way is
a low-cost option.

Could well happen, it's similar to what is now being talked about for book
publishing whereby a one-off copy of a book is printed on demand. Modern
printing technology makes that a viable option for slow-moving titles.

I also suspect people will become wary of 'put all your CDs onto a HD'
when
they experience HD failures and/or proprietary software interfering with
what they are 'allowed' to play or copy.


The way round that is to keep a back-up! As for the propriety software
problem, I strongly suspect that this will gradually disappear as consumer
demand makes it's voice felt.

David.

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"Woody" wrote in message
...
"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Michael Chare" wrote in message

I can understand it if the record companies don't want to hold atocks of
old CDs in their back catalogues. Sales are no doubt falling.

The CD technolgy will go the way of 78s, Vinyl LPs and cassette tapes.
You can now store more than 1000 CDs on a single disc drive.

I agree, I see the commercial CD vanishing within a relatively short
time. As sales continue to decline the economics of manufacture and
distribution will make CDs too expensive for the record companies to
bother with. Ironically I see the LP as possibly outliving the CD as it
will continue to appeal to the "fetish" market (i.e. those to whom owning
a physical object is really important). But that market won't be enough
to save more than a handful of record shops, the vast majority of which
will disappear off our high streets within the next decade.



I also believe that LPs will outlive CDs as well as Tapes, Cassettes,
Minidiscs, SACDs and just about any other form of physical 'digital' music.

Not so sure about the 'handful of record shops' quip though - maybe on the
streets, but a Google search 'LP Records' yields 35,400,00 results worldwide
and 1,370,00 UK only. That is no less than 52 pages of UK results and record
dealers and traders appear to constitute the majority of the entries
returned - all the way through and up to the very last result which is
someone flogging records in Edinburgh:

http://edinburgh.gumtree.com/edinburgh/14/48348114.html

Kinda implies to me there will a fairly healthy traffic in vinyl for long
time to come! (Rest of my days, anyway!! :-)



If that does happen then it will immediately disadvantage a large
proportion of the population - those that don't have (or can't have)
Internet access.


I think the 'powers' already deem a large enough majority of the 'meaningful
population' have at least some form of access to the Internet these days and
it's growing, of course.



What is more the load on the Internet infrastructure that it will impose -
especially for those who want the best quality downloads (e.g. classical
and jazz) - will drag it down to a crawl.


That's happening already but it doesn't stop *movies for download* being
advertised here and there now - never mind music....



It may happen in time, but a LOT of money will have to be spent first, and
whilst everything is driven by bean-counters and short-termism I don't see
it coming about.


The Internet is all about advertising revenues now and Internet content with
broad appeal like downloadable movies and music sites is virtually
guaranteed.

Me? Call me daft - I don't download anything, but I sent 20 quid off to Wiki
the other day...!! ;-)

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In article , David Looser
wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

IIRC some small 'serious music' companies are already experimenting
with selling 'CDs' by generating 'on demand' CDRs when a disc is
ordered. That method could easily accompany downloading since writing
CDs in that way is a low-cost option.

Could well happen, it's similar to what is now being talked about for
book publishing whereby a one-off copy of a book is printed on demand.
Modern printing technology makes that a viable option for slow-moving
titles.

Yes. Indeed I am hoping that this kind of approach (along with having
archives on the net) may make many items available that have remained
'scarce'. However there are still, I fear, problems with 'orphan works'
which no-one feels they can publish as they can't trace the copyright
holders.

The problem with relying on downloads is that many people still don't have
reliable broadband.


I also suspect people will become wary of 'put all your CDs onto a HD'
when they experience HD failures and/or proprietary software
interfering with what they are 'allowed' to play or copy.


The way round that is to keep a back-up!

In theory everyone does, and is never caught out. But in practice...

And of course if your backup was ADFS and you now have a box that only
understands FATxx...

As for the propriety software problem, I strongly suspect that this will
gradually disappear as consumer demand makes it's voice felt.

I would love to think you are right. But in reality I note the continued
dominance and behaviour of companies like Microsoft, News International,
etc, etc. Add/admend the list as you prefer.

The point is that they often tend to rely to a significant extent upon
'closed' or 'controlled' or 'proprietary' systems and in churning the
details with all its incompatabilities for their revenue.

I've also noticed in recent years the weird incompatabilities,
inconsistencies, etc, in consumer items like DVD players. Examples like
different players requiring incompatable file names to play the same types
of file.

Why should they care when they are on to 'this year's new model' which is
different by the time anyone points this out? So far as big companies are
concerned, the 'solution' to any problems you experience are to tell you to
buy something newer from them - complete with its own (different) snags.
:-)

And things like, "Want a BD player sir? Sorry you'll also need a new
display. Your old one has SCARTs and the players use HDMI!" Or "Yes, your
TB is 'HD ready' but you'll still need a new one, or another box, to watch
HD broadcasts". Technically, we might know of alternatives. But it does
help the salesman boost his commission, nes pa? ;-

To some extent though, I think you are right. And that was one reason why
the attempts to replace CDDA with DVD-A or SACD foundered. If the makers of
the 'new' systems hadn't tried to keep control of the new formats they
might have succeeded. But of course they could not do that as - in
commercial terms - the advantage of DVD-A and SACD was to have a new
format with its own patent income for the developers now that the patents
on CDDA had run out! :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Don Pearce wrote:

I think the law of supply and demand will deal with that. Back in the
day, large groups of people were disadvantaged by lack of a record
player or CD player.

When a PC becomes as easy to use as a CD player, then yes; otherwise no.

The interweb thing is pure rocket science to a lot of folk of all ages
and abilities, and the current commonly used software out there was
unfortunately designed for business men and game playing geeks.

A nationally understandable internet appliance class set-top box. Think
Prestel or that freely distributed french thing in the 80s.

If the BBC really wants to make something out of their plans to pump the
iPlayer service down the ethernet socket of a FreeSat compliant TV set,
they should add user access to email and TV-optimised web services as
well. And bring the same standards across to FreeView. Maybe that could
happen with the upgrade to DTT HD.

--
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"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Don Pearce wrote:

I think the law of supply and demand will deal with that. Back
in the
day, large groups of people were disadvantaged by lack of a
record
player or CD player.

When a PC becomes as easy to use as a CD player, then yes;
otherwise no.

The interweb thing is pure rocket science to a lot of folk of
all ages and abilities, and the current commonly used software
out there was unfortunately designed for business men and game
playing geeks.

A nationally understandable internet appliance class set-top
box. Think Prestel or that freely distributed french thing in
the 80s.

If the BBC really wants to make something out of their plans to
pump the iPlayer service down the ethernet socket of a FreeSat
compliant TV set, they should add user access to email and
TV-optimised web services as well. And bring the same standards
across to FreeView. Maybe that could happen with the upgrade to
DTT HD.

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Seconded

Mintel?



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"Adrian C" wrote in message

The interweb thing is pure rocket science to a lot of folk of all ages and
abilities, and the current commonly used software out there was
unfortunately designed for business men and game playing geeks.

It's no good moaning to me about it, I'm not making this happen. The simple
fact is that CD sales are falling whilst download sales are growing,
projecting this forward suggests that, in the not too distant future, CD
sales will have fallen below the point where record companies want to keep
bothering with it.

In my experience very few people, apart from the elderly, are not computer
literate these days. School children and students all have to be these days,
as does anybody with any kind of office-work element to their job. OTOH
plenty of people do not buy recorded music in any format, and generally
people who don't own computers don't buy records either IME.

David.

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"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Don Pearce wrote:

I think the law of supply and demand will deal with that. Back in the
day, large groups of people were disadvantaged by lack of a record
player or CD player.

When a PC becomes as easy to use as a CD player, then yes; otherwise no.

The interweb thing is pure rocket science to a lot of folk of all ages and
abilities, and the current commonly used software out there was
unfortunately designed for business men and game playing geeks.


A few years back I recall someone at work suggesting that MS products were
basically designed for home use because that is where many of the users are.


A nationally understandable internet appliance class set-top box. Think
Prestel or that freely distributed french thing in the 80s.

If the BBC really wants to make something out of their plans to pump the
iPlayer service down the ethernet socket of a FreeSat compliant TV set,
they should add user access to email and TV-optimised web services as
well. And bring the same standards across to FreeView. Maybe that could
happen with the upgrade to DTT HD.

I would think that most people with broadband would already have a PC. I
would not like to send an email using my TVs remote control.

Satellite and terrestrial broadcasts are one way. There is no back path
despite the so called 'interactive' services. To send email you need a back
path.
(Sky boxes use the ordinary telephone line for a back path.)


--
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"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Not so sure about the 'handful of record shops' quip though - maybe on the
streets, but a Google search 'LP Records' yields 35,400,00 results
worldwide
and 1,370,00 UK only. That is no less than 52 pages of UK results and
record
dealers and traders appear to constitute the majority of the entries
returned - all the way through and up to the very last result which is
someone flogging records in Edinburgh:


Where I live, in the local town Smiths no longer sell CDs, Woolies has
closed, so that just leaves the local CD/record shop.

What I would like to know is where all the Smiths customers have gone. Are
they just not buying music and spending their money in other things, or are
they all using downloads?

--
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Michael Chare wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Not so sure about the 'handful of record shops' quip though - maybe on
the
streets, but a Google search 'LP Records' yields 35,400,00 results
worldwide
and 1,370,00 UK only. That is no less than 52 pages of UK results and
record
dealers and traders appear to constitute the majority of the entries
returned - all the way through and up to the very last result which is
someone flogging records in Edinburgh:


Where I live, in the local town Smiths no longer sell CDs, Woolies has
closed, so that just leaves the local CD/record shop.

What I would like to know is where all the Smiths customers have gone.
Are they just not buying music and spending their money in other things,
or are they all using downloads?


I'm surprised nobody seems to have looked for an answer to that - must
be worth billions to someone or other.

From my sample of, er, 3 teenagers seem to go for downloads to their
mp3 players/phones.

I won't give housespace to CDs, and mainly download music. Spotify seems
to be popular.

Apart from the wish for a physical thing (plastic case and microtext
notes) I can't see any mainstream reason for CDs.

Rob

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"Rob" wrote

From my sample of, er, 3 teenagers seem to go for downloads to their mp3
players/phones.

Exactly. And as teenagers go on to become adults they will stay with that
preference. Whilst the "computer phobic" older people gradually die off.

I won't give housespace to CDs, and mainly download music. Spotify seems
to be popular.

Apart from the wish for a physical thing (plastic case and microtext
notes) I can't see any mainstream reason for CDs.


If it's a "physical thing" you are after an LP might be better. Though I've
long despised the LP for it's crap audio quality, I do accept that those big
cardboard sleeves have a certain something that nasty plastic jewel cases
don't.

David.

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In article , Rob
wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:

Where I live, in the local town Smiths no longer sell CDs, Woolies
has closed, so that just leaves the local CD/record shop.

What I would like to know is where all the Smiths customers have gone.
Are they just not buying music and spending their money in other
things, or are they all using downloads?


I'm surprised nobody seems to have looked for an answer to that - must
be worth billions to someone or other.

I have assumed that the trend is for people to buy CDs via the net. I took
to buying that way some years ago. The range 'in stock' is bigger, the
prices tend to be lower. There are also some specialist dealers who can
advise, and give more attentive and knowledgeable service for particular
minority tastes.

I used to buy from a local shop. But that was eventually made impractical
due to the arrogance of the music companies and wholesalers. In particular
their imposing a requirement for a 'minimum order' of many units. If you
ordered 1 CD from the shop they could only get it by buying a batch of many
CDs from the source.

So unless the shop was buying in large numbers from the source that meant
buying a lot of stock on a speculative basis. Then multiply that problem by
the number of small classical/jazz labels...

That might have been OK for bigger shops selling pop music. But for small
classical or jazz shops it became impractical.

I did wonder if the behaviour was an unfair trade practice. But even if
not, it did seem another example of the big music companies treating their
customers arrogantly, and shooting themselves in the foot in the process.
They whined about the net, but were making it harder to buy their CDs.

For a year or two I accepted that the local shop would get things, but that
I might have to wait a month or two until they had collected enough ordered
items for a batch from the relevant wholesaler. But in the end the shop
also said that this was clearly madness and that I might as well buy via
the net. The shop still sells classical CDs and will order - warning you
about the problem. They also now sell art supplies, sheet music, etc. Had
to diversify as selling CDs as the main living became impossible for them
due to the above imposed requirements by wholesalers.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Not so sure about the 'handful of record shops' quip though - maybe on
the
streets, but a Google search 'LP Records' yields 35,400,00 results
worldwide
and 1,370,00 UK only. That is no less than 52 pages of UK results and
record
dealers and traders appear to constitute the majority of the entries
returned - all the way through and up to the very last result which is
someone flogging records in Edinburgh:


Where I live, in the local town Smiths no longer sell CDs, Woolies has
closed, so that just leaves the local CD/record shop.



Where I live (St Neots, Cambs) I don't think we have a Smith's, Woolies
closed down and the ratty little CD/record shop all but fell down! So, I'm
not sure there is actually anywhere you can buy CDs, other than the many
(6,7, or even 8?) Charity Shops where, of course, you can also buy LPs at a
quid a pop or cheaper - according to current stock levels and the need to
clear shelf space at any one time!!



What I would like to know is where all the Smiths customers have gone.
Are they just not buying music and spending their money in other things,
or are they all using downloads?


Well, if it's anything like St Neots, I'd say most people actually still
buying CDs do so down the pub of an evening....

Vinyl Memories From W.H.Smith
 

What I would like to know is where all the Smiths customers have gone.
Are they just not buying music and spending their money in other
things, or are they all using downloads?


Well, if it's anything like St Neots, I'd say most people actually still
buying CDs do so down the pub of an evening....

This is completely irrelevant, but I recently had cause to look at the
cover of my (first) vinyl copy of "Rio", to see when I bought it.

When I was a young teenager, I was in the habit of writing on the sleeve
the date and various other details of the purchase.

So it turns out that according to my 13-year-old-teenager's carefully
inscribed-in-rollerball notes, I bought it on the 20-somethingth (forget
now) of March, 1985, from W.H.Smith, in The Pentagon Centre, in Chatham,
Kent.

It was weird seeing my own writing from when I was about a third of my
current age. It was written there in the hope and anticipation that I
would go back and read it again when I was much older, and so I have.
It was like a message to myself in the distant future!

I doubt that that W.H.Smith shop even still exists as such, now.


Martin

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"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
What I would like to know is where all the Smiths customers have gone.
Are they just not buying music and spending their money in other
things, or are they all using downloads?


Well, if it's anything like St Neots, I'd say most people actually still
buying CDs do so down the pub of an evening....

This is completely irrelevant, but I recently had cause to look at the
cover of my (first) vinyl copy of "Rio", to see when I bought it.



Why is that 'irrelevant'....??

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
What I would like to know is where all the Smiths customers have gone.
Are they just not buying music and spending their money in other
things, or are they all using downloads?


Well, if it's anything like St Neots, I'd say most people actually still
buying CDs do so down the pub of an evening....

This is completely irrelevant, but I recently had cause to look at the
cover of my (first) vinyl copy of "Rio", to see when I bought it.



Why is that 'irrelevant'....??


And how about *starting* a thread for a change, instead of hijacking
somebody else's?

(Only just noticed....!!)

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Why is that 'irrelevant'....??


And how about *starting* a thread for a change, instead of hijacking
somebody else's?

(Only just noticed....!!)

Yet another example of how you think you own this group...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Why is that 'irrelevant'....??


And how about *starting* a thread for a change, instead of hijacking
somebody else's?

(Only just noticed....!!)

Yet another example of how you think you own this group...



Wot a seriously queer little ****er you are!

Tell you what sonny, you have the *power* (I grant it you) - you can tell me
to **** off *right now* and I'll go and you can have the place all to
yourself.

(Last time I threw that wide open the only one to tell me to **** off was a
nonentity who I suspect was Fleetie under an assumed name! :-)

Only say the word, Poochie Poos....

LOL!!




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Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Why is that 'irrelevant'....??


And how about *starting* a thread for a change, instead of hijacking
somebody else's?

(Only just noticed....!!)

Yet another example of how you think you own this group...



Wot a seriously queer little ****er you are!

Tell you what sonny, you have the *power* (I grant it you) - you can
tell me to **** off *right now* and I'll go and you can have the place
all to yourself.

(Last time I threw that wide open the only one to tell me to **** off
was a nonentity who I suspect was Fleetie under an assumed name! :-)

Eh what?

Stop throwing my name around.

Now.


Martin

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

Tell you what sonny, you have the *power* (I grant it you) - you can
tell me to **** off *right now* and I'll go and you can have the place
all to yourself.

Seriously, Keith, seek treatment.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In article ,
Fleetie wrote:
(Last time I threw that wide open the only one to tell me to **** off
was a nonentity who I suspect was Fleetie under an assumed name! :-)

Eh what?

Stop throwing my name around.

Now.

His paranoia gets worse by the minute.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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