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Iain Churches wrote:
I would recommend the AKG C214, a large diaphram
cardioid pattern condenser mic

Head firmly in the clouds again, Iain?

No lie! This mic has a street price of almost $600 in the US. Just
looking at it, I can tell that it won't pass the critical-for-teenage-use
nail pounding test.

It's a very popular and ubiquitous medium-budget mic
Very good quality for the money.
Robust and reliable.

How does it pound nails? Any mic that can't sink any number of 6 penny
nails and still keep working will quickly be scattered broken parts in the
hands of your average 16 year old.

Did I tell you about the time I saw a SM58 used as a door stop by a teenage
band? BTW, this was no light residential door but a major entrance door with
a heavy hydraulic closer in a public venue.

It may, or may not meet Santa's budget criteria.
The OP did not specify a price range.

It was made clear that this was a first mic for a 16
year-old wanabee. That sounds far more like "low-budget"
than "medium-budget" to me.

For a 16-year-old, a SM58 or SM59 seems about right. Especially their
nail-pounding durability.

Someone before me bought a bunch of cheap Sennheiser dynamic mics for our
youth room sound system. This is a classic 14-16 year old usage situation.
The mics themselves have held up, but I had to replace every screw-on screen
ball because they fell apart.

I cannot imagine the kind of pudding a bunch of kids would make out of a mic
like the AKG C214. No matter, it would happen pretty quickly! For most of
us mortals who aren't million-dollar recording companies, $600 for this kind
of pudding is way beyond the pale.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
For a 16-year-old, a SM58 or SM59 seems about right. Especially their
nail-pounding durability.

My favourite for this is the ol' Electrovoice 747. Survived being dropped
off the top of Wembley stadium. Can be plugged into a chassis mount XLR -
useful for testing. And for testing 100 volt line - it survives that too.
;-)

Someone before me bought a bunch of cheap Sennheiser dynamic mics for
our youth room sound system. This is a classic 14-16 year old usage
situation. The mics themselves have held up, but I had to replace every
screw-on screen ball because they fell apart.

I've replaced quite a few on '58s too. Dented ones don't look too good on
camera.

I cannot imagine the kind of pudding a bunch of kids would make out of a
mic like the AKG C214. No matter, it would happen pretty quickly! For
most of us mortals who aren't million-dollar recording companies, $600
for this kind of pudding is way beyond the pale.

Money is no object to Iain. He's told us this many times.

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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
I would recommend the AKG C214, a large diaphram
cardioid pattern condenser mic

How does it pound nails? Any mic that can't sink any number of 6 penny
nails and still keep working will quickly be scattered broken parts in the
hands of your average 16 year old.

I see. So you and yours cannot differentiate between a mic
and a hammer! That shows "Domine" and anything else you
might have "under construction" in a whole new light:-))

Iain

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Iain Churches wrote:
How does it pound nails? Any mic that can't sink any number of 6
penny nails and still keep working will quickly be scattered broken
parts in the hands of your average 16 year old.

I see. So you and yours cannot differentiate between a mic
and a hammer! That shows "Domine" and anything else you
might have "under construction" in a whole new light:-))

It shows knowledge of how mics are often handled in a rock environment,
Iain. Sadly.

On your ivory cloud I'm sure they are handled with clean white cotton
gloves and returned to their padded box afterwards.

But horses for courses. Would you have recommended your favourite mic for
FX use on a windy and wet racecourse?

Hint. Not all mics are used in a nice air conditioned studio.

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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

I would recommend the AKG C214, a large diaphram
cardioid pattern condenser mic

How does it pound nails? Any mic that can't sink any
number of 6 penny nails and still keep working will
quickly be scattered broken parts in the hands of your
average 16 year old.

I see. So you and yours cannot differentiate between a mic
and a hammer!

We can tell the difference Iain, but sometimes young people who are
enthusiastic about music use that knowlege in ways that are adverse to the
pricey, relatively fragile microphone you senselessly recommended for use by
certain younger persons. Just another sad indication of how seriously you
are out of touch with everyday life, Iain.

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I see. So you and yours cannot differentiate between a mic
and a hammer!

We can tell the difference Iain, but sometimes young people who are
enthusiastic about music use that knowlege in ways that are adverse to the
pricey, relatively fragile microphone you senselessly recommended for use
by certain younger persons. Just another sad indication of how seriously
you are out of touch with everyday life, Iain.


For once I agree with you, Amy - Iain does seem *far more* comfortable with
the professional recording industry than he does with kiddie garage
bands....

??

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I see. So you and yours cannot differentiate between a mic
and a hammer!

We can tell the difference Iain, but sometimes young people who are
enthusiastic about music use that knowlege in ways that are adverse to
the pricey, relatively fragile microphone you senselessly recommended for
use by certain younger persons. Just another sad indication of how
seriously you are out of touch with everyday life, Iain.


For once I agree with you, Amy - Iain does seem *far more* comfortable
with the professional recording industry than he does with kiddie garage
bands....


I'm OK with garage bands too, it's those dreadful out-of-tune
Baptist choirs that put my teeth on edge:-)

One of my pals has a teenage son, who has a band. They were
looking for good 60s/70s, material.

I introduced them to McGuinness Flint, and taught them
the chords, to "When I'm Dead and Gone"

I was chuffed when they asked me to sit in on the
reheasal. I played flatback mandolin. My pal (an
alto saxophone player) played dobro.
Great fun. Expect a recording soon.

Meanwhile, Here's the original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizUw4GmCUo

Iain

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I see. So you and yours cannot differentiate between a mic
and a hammer!

We can tell the difference Iain, but sometimes young people who are
enthusiastic about music use that knowlege in ways that are adverse to
the pricey, relatively fragile microphone you senselessly recommended
for
use by certain younger persons. Just another sad indication of how
seriously you are out of touch with everyday life, Iain.


For once I agree with you, Amy - Iain does seem *far more* comfortable
with the professional recording industry than he does with kiddie garage
bands....


I'm OK with garage bands too, it's those dreadful out-of-tune
Baptist choirs that put my teeth on edge:-)


*shudder*



One of my pals has a teenage son, who has a band. They were
looking for good 60s/70s, material.

I introduced them to McGuinness Flint, and taught them
the chords, to "When I'm Dead and Gone"

I was chuffed when they asked me to sit in on the
reheasal. I played flatback mandolin. My pal (an
alto saxophone player) played dobro.


As long as you are aware that an invitation from a teenager means *just the
once then you can bugger off, grandad*!!


Great fun. Expect a recording soon.


Bring it on! :-)



Meanwhile, Here's the original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizUw4GmCUo


Good fun - nearly (*nearly* I sed) had me singing along with the
'karaoke'..!!

@:-)

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I see. So you and yours cannot differentiate between a
mic and a hammer!

We can tell the difference Iain, but sometimes young
people who are enthusiastic about music use that
knowlege in ways that are adverse to the pricey,
relatively fragile microphone you senselessly
recommended for use by certain younger persons. Just
another sad indication of how seriously you are out of
touch with everyday life, Iain.

For once I agree with you, Amy - Iain does seem *far
more* comfortable with the professional recording
industry than he does with kiddie garage bands....

Fact is that I've never personally recorded a garage band. But I have enough
experience with people in that place in life to make reasonable equipment
recommendations for them.

I'm OK with garage bands too, it's those dreadful
out-of-tune Baptist choirs that put my teeth on edge:-)

Where have you heard any Baptist choirs, Iain?

One of my pals has a teenage son, who has a band. They
were looking for good 60s/70s, material.

I introduced them to McGuinness Flint, and taught them
the chords, to "When I'm Dead and Gone"

I was chuffed when they asked me to sit in on the
reheasal. I played flatback mandolin. My pal (an
alto saxophone player) played dobro.
Great fun. Expect a recording soon.

Meanwhile, Here's the original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizUw4GmCUo

Note that Iain as usual is fact-challenged even when it comes to his own
work.

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I see. So you and yours cannot differentiate between a
mic and a hammer!

We can tell the difference Iain, but sometimes young
people who are enthusiastic about music use that
knowlege in ways that are adverse to the pricey,
relatively fragile microphone you senselessly
recommended for use by certain younger persons. Just
another sad indication of how seriously you are out of
touch with everyday life, Iain.

For once I agree with you, Amy - Iain does seem *far
more* comfortable with the professional recording
industry than he does with kiddie garage bands....

Fact is that I've never personally recorded a garage band. But I have
enough experience with people in that place in life to make reasonable
equipment recommendations for them.


IOW he's *guessing* as usuall!! (Same as 'bull****ting' but a little more
polite! ;-)

Fankly, this guy is so way off in 'makey up' La La Land it isn't worth
reading his posts....

Maybe he wants to be with his Pooch..??