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Rob[_3_] December 8th 09 11:33 AM

OT?: Socketry
 
Came across this on another newsgroup:

http://www.iconeye.com/index.php?opt...es-the-uk-plug
-

Seems just the thing to at least start to tidy up the plug/socket
proliferation I have - 11 at the TV/hifi for example.

ISTR something similar for low current appliances - is it still made?

Rob

OT (cont'd) Also came across this:

***

Radio 4 this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/8398753.stm

'A singing toy mouse has been recalled after complaints that it sings
the words "paedophile, paedophile", the Sun reports. Listen to the song
played on the Today programme.'

***

Keith G[_2_] December 8th 09 12:27 PM

Socketry
 

"Rob" wrote in message
m...
Came across this on another newsgroup:

http://www.iconeye.com/index.php?opt...es-the-uk-plug -

Seems just the thing to at least start to tidy up the plug/socket
proliferation I have - 11 at the TV/hifi for example.



That's not OT \Rob, that's very interesting.

(Mains plugs are the bane of eBayers everywhere! :-)

Stuff like guitars is OT but I'm not complaining, I find stuff about music
and musical instruments very interesting - I'm not the one who screams 'OT'
everytime this ng wanders outside of his narrow little comfort zone....


Radio 4 this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/8398753.stm

'A singing toy mouse has been recalled after complaints that it sings the
words "paedophile, paedophile", the Sun reports. Listen to the song played
on the Today programme.'



I thought it said: 'Pucciwanka, Pucciwanka, jingle all the way...!!' ?

@:-)

(Still with the turban, you will notice! :-)




Iain Churches[_2_] December 8th 09 01:36 PM

Socketry
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Rob" wrote in message
m...
Came across this on another newsgroup:

http://www.iconeye.com/index.php?opt...es-the-uk-plug -

Seems just the thing to at least start to tidy up the plug/socket
proliferation I have - 11 at the TV/hifi for example.



That's not OT \Rob, that's very interesting.

(Mains plugs are the bane of eBayers everywhere! :-)

Stuff like guitars is OT but I'm not complaining, I find stuff about music
and musical instruments very interesting - I'm not the one who screams
'OT' everytime this ng wanders outside of his narrow little comfort
zone....


I think most people share your view. Threads slightly
(or sometimes outrageously) OT seem to get the most
replies.



@:-)

(Still with the turban, you will notice! :-)


You will have to chage your middle name to "Singh"
All Singhs are Sikhs, but not all Sikhs are Singhs

Here's an (almost) approriate signature tune for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwDN9UMMi3c

An excellent example of multi-mic big band for Dave P

:-)

Iain






Keith G[_2_] December 8th 09 02:24 PM

Socketry
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Rob" wrote in message
m...
Came across this on another newsgroup:

http://www.iconeye.com/index.php?opt...es-the-uk-plug -

Seems just the thing to at least start to tidy up the plug/socket
proliferation I have - 11 at the TV/hifi for example.



That's not OT \Rob, that's very interesting.

(Mains plugs are the bane of eBayers everywhere! :-)

Stuff like guitars is OT but I'm not complaining, I find stuff about
music
and musical instruments very interesting - I'm not the one who screams
'OT' everytime this ng wanders outside of his narrow little comfort
zone....


I think most people share your view. Threads slightly
(or sometimes outrageously) OT seem to get the most
replies.



Oh and do they not?

Nobody is forced to read a thread, respond to or even tolerate a poster
here - if they do any of those things, then they can take the responsibility
for them and otherwise STFU....

(Maggots like Plowman wailing and crying about how they *want* this ng to go
just cracks me up!! Beyond *ludicrous*!! @:-))



@:-)

(Still with the turban, you will notice! :-)


You will have to chage your middle name to "Singh"
All Singhs are Sikhs, but not all Sikhs are Singhs

Here's an (almost) approriate signature tune for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwDN9UMMi3c




Sing Sing Sing, eh?

Here's one you won't find in YouTube:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ing%20Sing.mp3


(I bet no-one here knows who it is! ;-)


An excellent example of multi-mic big band for Dave P



Sorry Iain, but **** him - frankly....




Dave Plowman (News) December 8th 09 03:46 PM

OT?: Socketry
 
In article ,
Rob wrote:
Came across this on another newsgroup:


http://www.iconeye.com/index.php?opt...es-the-uk-plug -

Seems just the thing to at least start to tidy up the plug/socket
proliferation I have - 11 at the TV/hifi for example.


Wonder just how well something with rotating pins would survive? But it
certainly looks a good idea. Although not many will be willing to hack off
their plugs to fit it. So it would need to be taken up as OE by somebody.

ISTR something similar for low current appliances - is it still made?


I've got some inline distribution boards that take 6 plugs similar to IEC
ones. But haven't seen them for a while. But my main installation dates
back to before everything came with a fitted plug - so I dunno if I'd use
that system now.

Rob


OT (cont'd) Also came across this:


***


Radio 4 this morning:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/8398753.stm


'A singing toy mouse has been recalled after complaints that it sings
the words "paedophile, paedophile", the Sun reports. Listen to the song
played on the Today programme.'


It did indeed sound like paedophile to me - but not apparently to the
presenter.

***


--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Serge Auckland[_3_] December 8th 09 04:39 PM

OT?: Socketry
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rob wrote:
Came across this on another newsgroup:


http://www.iconeye.com/index.php?opt...es-the-uk-plug -

Seems just the thing to at least start to tidy up the plug/socket
proliferation I have - 11 at the TV/hifi for example.


Wonder just how well something with rotating pins would survive? But it
certainly looks a good idea. Although not many will be willing to hack off
their plugs to fit it. So it would need to be taken up as OE by somebody.

ISTR something similar for low current appliances - is it still made?


I've got some inline distribution boards that take 6 plugs similar to IEC
ones. But haven't seen them for a while. But my main installation dates
back to before everything came with a fitted plug - so I dunno if I'd use
that system now.

Rob


OT (cont'd) Also came across this:


***


Radio 4 this morning:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/8398753.stm


'A singing toy mouse has been recalled after complaints that it sings
the words "paedophile, paedophile", the Sun reports. Listen to the song
played on the Today programme.'


It did indeed sound like paedophile to me - but not apparently to the
presenter.

***


--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


QED used to sell a distribution panel which took small plugs similar to
IECs, but without the shroud. Then they were modified to have a tab which
opened the socket shutters. By cutting off the tab, the later plugs as well
as the originals could interchange with an IEC mains outlet, albeit without
shrouds round the pins.

Considering that professionally, IEC mains distribution panels are
commonplace, there will be one or more in any equipment rack, I'm surprised
no enterprising Foo-merchant (RA for example?) has thought of dusting them
with fairy-powder, quadrupling the price and selling them as the latest
audiophile accessory....Gold-plated MKs are so last year....

S.


Iain Churches[_2_] December 8th 09 06:45 PM

Socketry
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote in message


An excellent example of multi-mic big band for Dave P


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwDN9UMMi3c

Sorry Iain, but **** him - frankly....


Don't lose heart so early, Keith.
Dave will be posting his hard-hitting big band recording
made with a single-pair any moment now. Or will he?

It's funny because I have heard the same claim
on numerous occasions, and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts who always think they know
better than the people who do this kind of thing on
a daily basis.

One can achieve wonderful results with a simple-pair
set-up in many types of recording. Unfortunately,big
band is not one of them.

Iain




Keith G[_2_] December 8th 09 07:38 PM

Socketry
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote in message


An excellent example of multi-mic big band for Dave P


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwDN9UMMi3c

Sorry Iain, but **** him - frankly....


Don't lose heart so early, Keith.
Dave will be posting his hard-hitting big band recording
made with a single-pair any moment now. Or will he?



If he does it will be the first thing he's posted other than *narrowband*
yap in all the time I've subscribed here.



It's funny because I have heard the same claim
on numerous occasions, and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts who always think they know
better than the people who do this kind of thing on
a daily basis.



It stems from being allowed to get away with bull****ting for so long....


One can achieve wonderful results with a simple-pair
set-up in many types of recording. Unfortunately,big
band is not one of them.



Good enough for me....

@:-)




Dave Plowman (News) December 8th 09 10:44 PM

OT?: Socketry
 
In article ,
Serge Auckland wrote:
Considering that professionally, IEC mains distribution panels are
commonplace, there will be one or more in any equipment rack, I'm
surprised no enterprising Foo-merchant (RA for example?) has thought of
dusting them with fairy-powder, quadrupling the price and selling them
as the latest audiophile accessory....Gold-plated MKs are so last
year....


The sort of person who buys RA products is just about capable of swopping
a mains lead - but not anything more complicated...

--
*Two many clicks spoil the browse *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) December 8th 09 10:52 PM

Socketry
 
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Don't lose heart so early, Keith.
Dave will be posting his hard-hitting big band recording
made with a single-pair any moment now. Or will he?


It's funny because I have heard the same claim
on numerous occasions, and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts who always think they know
better than the people who do this kind of thing on
a daily basis.


Isn't it strange that *you* had occasion to ask my advice privately on how
to handle a live gig, Iain? Think I still have the email somewhere...

One can achieve wonderful results with a simple-pair set-up in many
types of recording. Unfortunately,big band is not one of them.


Carry on with your fantasies, Iain. I never said you could. But don't let
accuracy get in your way.

--
*Money isn‘t everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Brian Gaff December 9th 09 07:18 AM

Socketry
 
Hmm, well, I am sure a few years ago one of the singing santa novelties was
singing the word 'Tomato' in its song, but I was told it was in fact
something else and it was the foreign accent to blame.

Brian

--
Brian Gaff -
Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name may be lost.
Blind user, so no pictures please!
"Rob" wrote in message
m...
Came across this on another newsgroup:

http://www.iconeye.com/index.php?opt...es-the-uk-plug -

Seems just the thing to at least start to tidy up the plug/socket
proliferation I have - 11 at the TV/hifi for example.

ISTR something similar for low current appliances - is it still made?

Rob

OT (cont'd) Also came across this:

***

Radio 4 this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/8398753.stm

'A singing toy mouse has been recalled after complaints that it sings the
words "paedophile, paedophile", the Sun reports. Listen to the song played
on the Today programme.'

***




David Looser December 9th 09 08:45 AM

OT?: Socketry
 
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote

'A singing toy mouse has been recalled after complaints that it sings
the words "paedophile, paedophile", the Sun reports. Listen to the song
played on the Today programme.'


It did indeed sound like paedophile to me - but not apparently to the
presenter.


If I hadn't been told in advance that it was supposed to sound like
"paedophile" I'd certainly never have thought it did. OTOH no-way did the
second word sound like "bells". If pushed to identify words in that noise
I'd have gone for "single-file".

David.



Dave Plowman (News) December 9th 09 09:15 AM

OT?: Socketry
 
In article ,
David Looser wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote

'A singing toy mouse has been recalled after complaints that it sings
the words "paedophile, paedophile", the Sun reports. Listen to the
song played on the Today programme.'


It did indeed sound like paedophile to me - but not apparently to the
presenter.


If I hadn't been told in advance that it was supposed to sound like
"paedophile" I'd certainly never have thought it did. OTOH no-way did
the second word sound like "bells". If pushed to identify words in that
noise I'd have gone for "single-file".


Perhaps they should have played it first before giving the choices. But it
was nothing like 'jingle bells'.

--
*Generally speaking, you aren't learning much if your lips are moving.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Iain Churches[_2_] December 9th 09 10:07 AM

Socketry
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:



Don't lose heart so early, Keith.
Dave will be posting his hard-hitting big band recording
made with a single-pair any moment now. Or will he?


It's funny because I have heard the same claim
on numerous occasions, and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts who always think they know
better than the people who do this kind of thing on
a daily basis.


Isn't it strange that *you* had occasion to ask my advice privately on how
to handle a live gig, Iain? Think I still have the email somewhere...


Yes. I have it too. I asked for your suggestions for radio mics,
something I rarely use. The types you suggested were more than
satisfactory, and I thanked you for your help. There is nothing
*strange* or secret about that, it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.

One can achieve wonderful results with a simple-pair set-up in many
types of recording. Unfortunately,big band is not one of them.


Carry on with your fantasies, Iain. I never said you could. But don't let
accuracy get in your way.


Ahem. You are pretty adept at backpedalling, Dave.
Please refer back to your earlier statements, particularly
those that allude to abilities of music recording personel..

Just to give you an idea of what it required, please listen to the
snippet below. Note the dynamic of the tutti passages and the
fact that the stereo soundstage and the acoustic of the auditorium
have be preserved. There is a lot going on in this title, but the
recording captures the detail. You will appreciate the
necessity for the added beeps and a couple of cross fades in
this instance.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Music/BBD.mp3

I shall be away for a while, but look forward to hearing
what you come up with.


Iain










Laurence Payne[_2_] December 9th 09 10:42 AM

OT?: Socketry
 
On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:33:55 GMT, Rob
wrote:

Radio 4 this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/8398753.stm

'A singing toy mouse has been recalled after complaints that it sings
the words "paedophile, paedophile", the Sun reports. Listen to the song
played on the Today programme.'


Sounds about as much like "pedophile" as it does like "jingle bells".

Dave Plowman (News) December 9th 09 12:02 PM

Socketry
 
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
It's funny because I have heard the same claim
on numerous occasions, and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts who always think they know
better than the people who do this kind of thing on
a daily basis.


Isn't it strange that *you* had occasion to ask my advice privately on
how to handle a live gig, Iain? Think I still have the email
somewhere...


Yes. I have it too. I asked for your suggestions for radio mics,
something I rarely use. The types you suggested were more than
satisfactory, and I thanked you for your help. There is nothing
*strange* or secret about that, it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.


Has lots of relevance to your talking about 'and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts'. And all the other put downs you come up with.

It seems strange to me that with all your *claimed* expertise and name
dropping of those you *claim* to know in the industry, you turn to a
stranger from a newsgroup for advice on a professional matter. I certainly
wouldn't ask you for such advice - I'd ask a colleague or other peer.

One can achieve wonderful results with a simple-pair set-up in many
types of recording. Unfortunately,big band is not one of them.


Carry on with your fantasies, Iain. I never said you could. But don't
let accuracy get in your way.


Ahem. You are pretty adept at backpedalling, Dave.


Ahem. Please quote the entire post where I said a simple pair setup would
be the best way of recording a big band. And I do mean the entire post -
not one of your convenient edit jobs. And while you're at it try answering
the bit about live concerts in the heyday of big bands. But I'd guess
you've ignored that since you know you'd just make a fool of yourself.


Please refer back to your earlier statements, particularly
those that allude to abilities of music recording personel..


Must just have been replying to one of your 'armchair expert' type jibes.
You certainly come out of the same mould as Kitty when it comes to
throwing around insults but expressing bewilderment when they're returned.

[snip]

I make a point of never downloading stuff from an untrustworthy source.

I shall be away for a while, but look forward to hearing
what you come up with.


Perhaps in the future you would read what people write and respond to
that. Not invent the point to give one of your self promoting answers.

--
*Oh, what a tangled website we weave when first we practice *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

David Looser December 9th 09 02:00 PM

Socketry
 
"Iain Churches" wrote

it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.


Was *that* the subject under discussion? I seem to remember that it was the
recording of a bull-fight crowd by a TV documentary crew!

David.



MiNe 109 December 9th 09 02:13 PM

Socketry
 
In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

I make a point of never downloading stuff from an untrustworthy source.


Played it in Firefox: no adverse effects so far.

Stephen

Dave Plowman (News) December 9th 09 05:34 PM

Socketry
 
In article ,
MiNe 109 wrote:
I make a point of never downloading stuff from an untrustworthy
source.


Played it in Firefox: no adverse effects so far.


I'm sure it's ok. Just doing a bit of winding up.

--
*Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) December 9th 09 05:43 PM

Socketry
 
In article ,
David Looser wrote:
"Iain Churches" wrote


it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.


Was *that* the subject under discussion? I seem to remember that it was
the recording of a bull-fight crowd by a TV documentary crew!


Indeed.

FWIW, most of that sort of thing is done using something like a Sanken
CMS-10 which is a combination of hypercardiod and figure of eight in the
same unit. Iain has no experience of the requirements and constraints of
exterior location recording.

--
*What happens when none of your bees wax? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

David Looser December 9th 09 06:06 PM

Socketry
 
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David Looser wrote:
"Iain Churches" wrote


it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.


Was *that* the subject under discussion? I seem to remember that it was
the recording of a bull-fight crowd by a TV documentary crew!


Indeed.

FWIW, most of that sort of thing is done using something like a Sanken
CMS-10 which is a combination of hypercardiod and figure of eight in the
same unit. Iain has no experience of the requirements and constraints of
exterior location recording.


He did say he'd done some recording of steam trains. Presumably he recorded
them using a large numbers of mocrophones and a multi-track recorder.

David.



Rob[_3_] December 13th 09 10:12 AM

Socketry
 
On 08/12/2009 13:27, Keith G wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
m...
Came across this on another newsgroup:

http://www.iconeye.com/index.php?opt...es-the-uk-plug
-

Seems just the thing to at least start to tidy up the plug/socket
proliferation I have - 11 at the TV/hifi for example.



That's not OT \Rob, that's very interesting.


I'd actually posted it to the wrong group originally - even worse OT -
but it generated quite a lot of interest.

Here, just trying to be sensitive to the some of the more sensitive :-)

Rob[_3_] December 13th 09 10:16 AM

OT?: Socketry
 
On 08/12/2009 17:39, Serge Auckland wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rob wrote:
Came across this on another newsgroup:


http://www.iconeye.com/index.php?opt...es-the-uk-plug
-

Seems just the thing to at least start to tidy up the plug/socket
proliferation I have - 11 at the TV/hifi for example.


Wonder just how well something with rotating pins would survive? But it
certainly looks a good idea. Although not many will be willing to hack
off
their plugs to fit it. So it would need to be taken up as OE by somebody.

ISTR something similar for low current appliances - is it still made?


I've got some inline distribution boards that take 6 plugs similar to IEC
ones. But haven't seen them for a while. But my main installation dates
back to before everything came with a fitted plug - so I dunno if I'd use
that system now.

Rob


OT (cont'd) Also came across this:


***


Radio 4 this morning:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/8398753.stm


'A singing toy mouse has been recalled after complaints that it sings
the words "paedophile, paedophile", the Sun reports. Listen to the song
played on the Today programme.'


It did indeed sound like paedophile to me - but not apparently to the
presenter.


Apparently, if you slow it down it does sound like jingle bells.


***


--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


QED used to sell a distribution panel which took small plugs similar to
IECs, but without the shroud. Then they were modified to have a tab
which opened the socket shutters. By cutting off the tab, the later
plugs as well as the originals could interchange with an IEC mains
outlet, albeit without shrouds round the pins.


Yep, that's it, that was what I was thinking about.

Considering that professionally, IEC mains distribution panels are
commonplace, there will be one or more in any equipment rack, I'm
surprised no enterprising Foo-merchant (RA for example?) has thought of
dusting them with fairy-powder, quadrupling the price and selling them
as the latest audiophile accessory....Gold-plated MKs are so last year....


Well, if RA got the ball rolling and a dozen rich people bought the
product and paid for the development, which then got knocked off
elsewhere at a reasonable price, I wouldn't complain.

Rob


Iain Churches[_2_] December 17th 09 08:31 AM

Socketry
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
It's funny because I have heard the same claim
on numerous occasions, and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts who always think they know
better than the people who do this kind of thing on
a daily basis.

Isn't it strange that *you* had occasion to ask my advice privately on
how to handle a live gig, Iain? Think I still have the email
somewhere...


Yes. I have it too. I asked for your suggestions for radio mics,
something I rarely use. The types you suggested were more than
satisfactory, and I thanked you for your help. There is nothing
*strange* or secret about that, it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.


Has lots of relevance to your talking about 'and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts'. And all the other put downs you come up with.


Come on Dave.You admit to having no music recording
training or experience, so your expertise cannot be anything
than that of the armchair variety..


It seems strange to me that with all your *claimed* expertise and name
dropping of those you *claim* to know in the industry, you turn to a
stranger from a newsgroup for advice on a professional matter. I certainly
wouldn't ask you for such advice - I'd ask a colleague or other peer.



Oh you mean the radio mics? It seems to mean such a lot to you
that someone actually asked *you* for a recommendation:-)
Surely you are not so naive as to think you were the *only*
person I asked? In addition, the technical sales at both
Sony and Sennheiser were also extremely helpful, and both let
me borrow what I needed for evaluation.

And while you're at it try answering
the bit about live concerts in the heyday of big bands. But I'd guess
you've ignored that since you know you'd just make a fool of yourself.


Already answered.

Live concerts were totally different to what we know and expect
today, so you hor anyone else here can possibly know what they
sounded like. Neither can we put too much trust in what people
have said in the past - particularly as state-of-the-art audio was to
them the 78rpm shellac disc.

Several people have suggested good examples of live lazz concert
recordings from the 50s onwards. They all seem to be multi-mic.
Ask yourself why, Dave.

Listen to Ellington at Newport, recorded 1956. It's
a perfect example.

Please refer back to your earlier statements, particularly
those that allude to abilities of music recording personel..


Must just have been replying to one of your 'armchair expert' type jibes.
You certainly come out of the same mould as Kitty when it comes to
throwing around insults but expressing bewilderment when they're returned.


Quite to the contrary. I have learned *not* to expect a solid argument
from you, backed up by facts, links , demos or examples. Just hot air.


I make a point of never downloading stuff from an untrustworthy source.


LOL:-))
Don't you have a virus checker????

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Music/BBD.mp3

This link illustrates my point perfectly, so I can see why
you are keen to find an excuse not to listen to it.

Iain
















Iain Churches[_2_] December 17th 09 08:59 AM

Socketry
 

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

I make a point of never downloading stuff from an untrustworthy source.


Played it in Firefox: no adverse effects so far.


Nor will there be.
Dave is just looking for an excuse not to play the track.

Iain






Iain Churches[_2_] December 17th 09 09:05 AM

Socketry
 

"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote

it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.


Was *that* the subject under discussion? I seem to remember that it was
the recording of a bull-fight crowd by a TV documentary crew!


Indeed, and it morphed into the suitability and lack of suitability
of stereo pairs, in various applications, then the Decca tree
and then multi-mic for big band.

Interesting how your "load of bull(s)" can become five trumpets,
four trombones, five saxophones and a rhythm section. :-)


Iain







Dave Plowman (News) December 17th 09 09:23 AM

Socketry
 
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
It's funny because I have heard the same claim
on numerous occasions, and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts who always think they know
better than the people who do this kind of thing on
a daily basis.

Isn't it strange that *you* had occasion to ask my advice privately
on how to handle a live gig, Iain? Think I still have the email
somewhere...


Yes. I have it too. I asked for your suggestions for radio mics,
something I rarely use. The types you suggested were more than
satisfactory, and I thanked you for your help. There is nothing
*strange* or secret about that, it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.


Has lots of relevance to your talking about 'and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts'. And all the other put downs you come up with.


Come on Dave.You admit to having no music recording
training or experience, so your expertise cannot be anything
than that of the armchair variety..


Making things up again Iain? I'll admit to have no experience of making
records. Which to anyone but you would be a different thing...

It seems strange to me that with all your *claimed* expertise and name
dropping of those you *claim* to know in the industry, you turn to a
stranger from a newsgroup for advice on a professional matter. I
certainly wouldn't ask you for such advice - I'd ask a colleague or
other peer.



Oh you mean the radio mics? It seems to mean such a lot to you
that someone actually asked *you* for a recommendation:-)


No - it just surprised me any 'pro' needed such basic advice.

Surely you are not so naive as to think you were the *only*
person I asked?


No again - I'd have hoped a last resort. Which surprised me greatly given
your constant claims and name dropping.

In addition, the technical sales at both
Sony and Sennheiser were also extremely helpful, and both let
me borrow what I needed for evaluation.


Good grief. Must look for the emails you sent...

But it wasn't just about 'radio mics'. It was a question about how to mic
up a particular situation. Something you claim to be the world expert on.


And while you're at it try answering
the bit about live concerts in the heyday of big bands. But I'd guess
you've ignored that since you know you'd just make a fool of yourself.


Already answered.


Live concerts were totally different to what we know and expect
today, so you hor anyone else here can possibly know what they
sounded like. Neither can we put too much trust in what people
have said in the past - particularly as state-of-the-art audio was to
them the 78rpm shellac disc.


So what you're saying is a big band without modern amplification will
sound rubbish live? How sad is that.

Several people have suggested good examples of live lazz concert
recordings from the 50s onwards. They all seem to be multi-mic.
Ask yourself why, Dave.


You seem to be back on recordings. Ever go to a live event, Iain? Of
course I realise you can't have heard big bands live in their heyday, but
have you never talked to those who have?

Listen to Ellington at Newport, recorded 1956. It's
a perfect example.


Why would a recording tell me anything about live sound?

Please refer back to your earlier statements, particularly
those that allude to abilities of music recording personel..


Must just have been replying to one of your 'armchair expert' type
jibes. You certainly come out of the same mould as Kitty when it comes
to throwing around insults but expressing bewilderment when they're
returned.


Quite to the contrary. I have learned *not* to expect a solid argument
from you, backed up by facts, links , demos or examples. Just hot air.


But all your 'facts' never answer the question. Just like the average
politician. You answer the question you wish was asked.


I make a point of never downloading stuff from an untrustworthy source.


LOL:-))
Don't you have a virus checker????


Whoosh.

You're the untrustworthy source.

--
*People want trepanners like they want a hole in the head*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Iain Churches[_2_] December 17th 09 09:43 AM

Socketry
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
It's funny because I have heard the same claim
on numerous occasions, and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts who always think they know
better than the people who do this kind of thing on
a daily basis.

Isn't it strange that *you* had occasion to ask my advice privately
on how to handle a live gig, Iain? Think I still have the email
somewhere...

Yes. I have it too. I asked for your suggestions for radio mics,
something I rarely use. The types you suggested were more than
satisfactory, and I thanked you for your help. There is nothing
*strange* or secret about that, it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.

Has lots of relevance to your talking about 'and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts'. And all the other put downs you come up with.


Come on Dave.You admit to having no music recording
training or experience, so your expertise cannot be anything
than that of the armchair variety..


Making things up again Iain? I'll admit to have no experience of making
records. Which to anyone but you would be a different thing...


You stated that you had no training in music recording.


Oh you mean the radio mics? It seems to mean such a lot to you
that someone actually asked *you* for a recommendation:-)


No - it just surprised me any 'pro' needed such basic advice.

Surely you are not so naive as to think you were the *only*
person I asked?


No again - I'd have hoped a last resort. Which surprised me greatly given
your constant claims and name dropping.


This was all about a 50s rock'n'roll show with a seven piece saxophone
whose performance was as much about choreopgraphy as it was music.
I simply asked for your recomedation for reliable radio mics.



In addition, the technical sales at both
Sony and Sennheiser were also extremely helpful, and both let
me borrow what I needed for evaluation.


Good grief. Must look for the emails you sent...


I have the e-mauiol in front of me.

But it wasn't just about 'radio mics'. It was a question about how to mic
up a particular situation. Something you claim to be the world expert on.



Your memory fails you. Do you think I would ask you how to
mic up a saxophone section, something I have done hundreds of
times? LOL:-)

You seem to be back on recordings. Ever go to a live event, Iain? Of
course I realise you can't have heard big bands live in their heyday, but
have you never talked to those who have?

Listen to Ellington at Newport, recorded 1956. It's
a perfect example.


Why would a recording tell me anything about live sound?


It was a live event.

But all your 'facts' never answer the question. Just like the average
politician. You answer the question you wish was asked.


I have provided a large number of examples to illustrate my point
about the superiority of multi mic technique over a simple pair
for big band recording. You have provided nothing to disprove
my statement.



Iain



Dave Plowman (News) December 17th 09 10:16 AM

Socketry
 
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
No again - I'd have hoped a last resort. Which surprised me greatly
given your constant claims and name dropping.


This was all about a 50s rock'n'roll show with a seven piece saxophone
whose performance was as much about choreopgraphy as it was music.
I simply asked for your recomedation for reliable radio mics.


Would you like me to publish your original email here, Iain?

--
*My designated driver drove me to drink

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

David Looser December 17th 09 10:22 AM

Socketry
 
"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...

"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote

it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.


Was *that* the subject under discussion? I seem to remember that it was
the recording of a bull-fight crowd by a TV documentary crew!


Indeed, and it morphed into the suitability and lack of suitability
of stereo pairs, in various applications, then the Decca tree
and then multi-mic for big band.

It didn't "morph" into that, you pushed it there because you felt you were
on safer ground with it there. I was talking about recording a real live
event that wasn't happening for the benefit of the recordist.

David.



Dave Plowman (News) December 17th 09 01:20 PM

Socketry
 
In article ,
David Looser wrote:
Indeed, and it morphed into the suitability and lack of suitability
of stereo pairs, in various applications, then the Decca tree
and then multi-mic for big band.

It didn't "morph" into that, you pushed it there because you felt you
were on safer ground with it there. I was talking about recording a
real live event that wasn't happening for the benefit of the recordist.


Think Iain forgets that it's easy to read earlier posts in a thread.

--
*I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


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