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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:56:57 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

The piece comes over as being put
together, rather than existing in a natural acoustic setting.
Oh it's a composite alright - recorded in three different
countries, and played by people who have never met each
other.

A circumstance that makes it very hard for the players to listen to
each other and co-operate stylistically and rhythmically. It's easy
to phrase together when you can see each other (a little rehearsal
doesn't hurt either :-)



What I would like to see (hear) is dozens of people in different
locations playing in a great big, brought together Bonzo Dog 'Intro
Outro' type of piece - then we could YouTube it!!

:-)

Someone now tells me it's already been done..??

??

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in message

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:27:20 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

There's some distortion in the sax sound at 2.44. Maybe
in the recording chain, maybe spit sound from the sax,
maybe a MP3 artifact. Whatever it is, the eq'd version
emphasises it.
If its spit, its not distortion. Since you don't know,
your comment is meaningless.

Not worth arguing. "Unwanted sound" then.

Accurate use of words seems to be a lost art around here.

Have a listen.

I have already listened to my own track, and compared it to the fiction that
Kitty posted here. He didn't implement my recommendation exactly. Besides,
my recommendation was a just first cut, not a recipie for a finished,
mastered recording.




Wake up THICKO..!!

I only recorded the clarinet - I mixed NOTHING, I EQ'd NOTHING.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message

Anyway, here's the original again:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


And here's Arny's suggestion (EQ is not *my* work):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3

So, it's a simple case of 'better or worse?'...??

What does the team think?

I finally did the obvious and double-checked your work Keith.




Keith? Kitty?

Make your mind up, nutter...

:-)



I also listened to it. Didn't sound right.

The facts became clear when I compared a detailed FFT analysis of the two
files.

Kitty,

since you apparently don't have the same sophisticated DAW tools as I
do, you were unable to duplicate my work well enough to produce a file that
was representative of my quick recommendation. I did my work with DAW
software FFT-based filters while it appears that you did your work with
something less accurate, perhaps an octave equalizer. You were unable to
follow my recipe exactly and ended up with more boost at 1 and 10 KHz.


Foaming at the mouth again....

Hasn't caught on to the fact that I did NONE of the above!

;-)


Kitty, due to your obvious need to libel me whenever you can,


Libel? Libel is when something is incorrect or untrue - are you claiming
you are not a raving, paranoid nutter then?

:-)



you and Iain
took a quick recommendation and falsely and deceptively turned it into a
test of my technical skills. The moral of the story is that when you are
dealing with people that have an emotional need to salve their hurt egos at
any cost to logic, reason, and truth; no good deed goes unpunished.



Anybody got a clue what this paranoid nutter is raving about

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"Keith G" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in
message
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:27:20 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

There's some distortion in the sax sound at 2.44. Maybe in the
recording chain, maybe spit sound from
the sax, maybe a MP3 artifact. Whatever it is, the
eq'd version emphasises it.
If its spit, its not distortion. Since you don't know,
your comment is meaningless.

Not worth arguing. "Unwanted sound" then.

Accurate use of words seems to be a lost art around here.

Have a listen.

I have already listened to my own track, and compared it
to the fiction that Kitty posted here. He didn't
implement my recommendation exactly. Besides, my
recommendation was a just first cut, not a recipie for a
finished, mastered recording.


Wake up THICKO..!!

I only recorded the clarinet - I mixed NOTHING, I EQ'd NOTHING.

What is this?

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


What does the EQ in the file name mean?

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:12:49 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

To give you a bit of impetus:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Music/TTT.mp3



Just a simple backing line to start with would be handy!

Good track isn't it?

If that doesn't get Laurence's trombone player's adrenalin
pumping then nothing will.

Absolutely. I miss playing the thing. I could probably get back to a
standard I'd be happy to record and share in a month or two! But I
have neither the time or a reason to do so (with a real reason, of
course I'd FIND the time:-)

There's some samples of my keyboard playing on my web site, if anyone
wants to nit-pick. Though much of it was multi-tracked into a
sequencer, I can assure you it was all PLAYED, not step-entered or
otherwise constructed.

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:40:36 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

I'm trombone, not clarinet. And, sadly, more ex-trombone. It's one
of those things that aren't worth doing unless you do them every day,
and work moved in other directions many years ago.
Don't be so modest Laurence. We invited you, not Don Lusher!
(he's indisposed anyway:-)
It's not modesty! I really haven't taken it out the case for years.
Do it. Today:-)
To give you a bit of impetus:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Music/TTT.mp3


Just a simple backing line to start with would be handy!

Good track isn't it?



Yes - lovely!!

:-)



If that doesn't get Laurence's trombone player's adrenalin
pumping then nothing will.


He's fishing around in the loft for it as I type!!

;-)

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:47:04 +0000, Keith G
wrote:


What I would like to see (hear) is dozens of people in different
locations playing in a great big, brought together Bonzo Dog 'Intro
Outro' type of piece - then we could YouTube it!!

:-)

Someone now tells me it's already been done..??

There's a project by someone who went round the world getting
individuals to contribute in this way to the same song. I've seen the
video, presumably on YouTube. Can't remember the details, but someone
will.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:27:20 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

There's some distortion in the sax sound at 2.44. Maybe in the
recording chain, maybe spit sound from
the sax, maybe a MP3 artifact. Whatever it is, the
eq'd version emphasises it.
If its spit, its not distortion. Since you don't know,
your comment is meaningless.
Not worth arguing. "Unwanted sound" then.
Accurate use of words seems to be a lost art around here.

Have a listen.
I have already listened to my own track, and compared it
to the fiction that Kitty posted here. He didn't
implement my recommendation exactly. Besides, my
recommendation was a just first cut, not a recipie for a
finished, mastered recording.

Wake up THICKO..!!

I only recorded the clarinet - I mixed NOTHING, I EQ'd NOTHING.

What is this?

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


It's your suggestion EQ'd by *Iain* and sent to me for purposes of
posting a 'before and after'/'better or worse' comparison'!

You *know* I neither have the software or skill (or the inclination to
acquire either one) do you not?

I don't like *processed* anything - I'm actually with you on mic pairs,
but your paranoia would let you see that, would it?

Your trouble, Arny, stems from having too many cars with automatic
gearboxes - in the 'manual' UK, most people learn to engage the brain
before letting the mouth out...







What does the EQ in the file name mean?

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:47:04 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

What I would like to see (hear) is dozens of people in different
locations playing in a great big, brought together Bonzo Dog 'Intro
Outro' type of piece - then we could YouTube it!!

:-)

Someone now tells me it's already been done..??

There's a project by someone who went round the world getting
individuals to contribute in this way to the same song. I've seen the
video, presumably on YouTube. Can't remember the details, but someone
will.



Oh 'Teach the world to sing' or summat similar - yes, I've seen it and
it's *excellent* - I'm talking about a big band piece like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DUEAG5eO6c


I could get Shiny Nigel to do the vocals!

:-)


And I'm sure I could do 'spoons' or summat!

:-)

Roy Rogers on Trigger....

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:12:49 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

To give you a bit of impetus:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Music/TTT.mp3


Just a simple backing line to start with would be handy!
Good track isn't it?

If that doesn't get Laurence's trombone player's adrenalin
pumping then nothing will.

Absolutely. I miss playing the thing. I could probably get back to a
standard I'd be happy to record and share in a month or two! But I
have neither the time or a reason to do so (with a real reason, of
course I'd FIND the time:-)

There's some samples of my keyboard playing on my web site, if anyone
wants to nit-pick. Though much of it was multi-tracked into a
sequencer, I can assure you it was all PLAYED, not step-entered or
otherwise constructed.




OK, let's have a link then!!

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"exalted wombat" wrote in
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This time first time poster who showed up to throw a little dirt around...


There's some distortion in the sax sound at 2.44. Maybe
in the recording chain, maybe spit sound from the sax,
maybe a MP3 artifact. Whatever it is, the eq'd version
emphasises it.

your comment is meaningless.

But this makes a point -


Try and make your mind up Arny.


--
Bill Coombes

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:23:38 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

There's some samples of my keyboard playing on my web site, if anyone
wants to nit-pick. Though much of it was multi-tracked into a
sequencer, I can assure you it was all PLAYED, not step-entered or
otherwise constructed.




OK, let's have a link then!!

It's easy to Google. Look for the page where I advertise scoring and
backing track services. I can't stop anyone posting the direct link,
but I'd rather they didn't.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in
message
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:27:20 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

There's some distortion in the sax sound at 2.44. Maybe in the
recording chain, maybe spit sound from
the sax, maybe a MP3 artifact. Whatever it is, the
eq'd version emphasises it.
If its spit, its not distortion. Since you don't know,
your comment is meaningless.

Not worth arguing. "Unwanted sound" then.

Accurate use of words seems to be a lost art around here.

Have a listen.

I have already listened to my own track, and compared it
to the fiction that Kitty posted here. He didn't
implement my recommendation exactly. Besides, my
recommendation was a just first cut, not a recipie for a
finished, mastered recording.


Wake up THICKO..!!

I only recorded the clarinet - I mixed NOTHING, I EQ'd NOTHING.

What is this?

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


What does the EQ in the file name mean?

It identifies the file EQ'd precisely to your suggestions.
I sent this to Keith. He only has an .mp3. The changes
were made to a clone of the original which I have.

You seem to be losing the plot, Arny.

Iain

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:56:57 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

The piece comes over as being put
together, rather than existing in a natural acoustic setting.
Oh it's a composite alright - recorded in three different
countries, and played by people who have never met each
other.

A circumstance that makes it very hard for the players to listen to
each other and co-operate stylistically and rhythmically. It's easy
to phrase together when you can see each other (a little rehearsal
doesn't hurt either :-)



What I would like to see (hear) is dozens of people in different locations
playing in a great big, brought together Bonzo Dog 'Intro Outro' type of
piece - then we could YouTube it!!

That would be great fun. BD were were a very good band.
Maybe The Temperance Seven is more our style?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDhaZElJ4Ho

Iain

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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:12:49 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

To give you a bit of impetus:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Music/TTT.mp3



Just a simple backing line to start with would be handy!

Good track isn't it?

If that doesn't get Laurence's trombone player's adrenalin
pumping then nothing will.

Absolutely. I miss playing the thing. I could probably get back to a
standard I'd be happy to record and share in a month or two!

Good news! As far as the playing standard of the UKRAinian
All Stars is concerned, you are probably light years ahead of
the rest of us:-)


But I
have neither the time or a reason to do so (with a real reason, of
course I'd FIND the time:-)

We're working on that. Can you feel a strange warmth every
time you go near the trombone case?

Iain

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:
"Audix" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:01:02 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

Anyway, here's the original again:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


And here's Arny's suggestion (EQ is not *my* work):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


So, it's a simple case of 'better or worse?'...??

What does the team think?

The original is definitely not mellow. The composite nature is
revealed however. Clarinet sounds roughly as one would expect but the
saxophone is rather too breathy (on axis?) for my taste.

My saxophone idol is Ben Webster:-(
His tone is *much* breathier"


Fweh, fweh, fwehhhh...

Took him twenty years to perfect that sound.
Wish I could do it:-)

Iain

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:



Few people get the opportunity these days, except at concerts,
to hear musical instruments "in the flesh" as it were, and are
sometimes quite surprised when they do.


I have posted here before on a number of occasions - ****s who are stuck
on the 'accuracy' aspect of *hifi* equipment and think their 'porridge
pump' sound system delivers the 'real thing' can come here and hear a parp
or two on Swim's clart....

A parp or two? :)

Over Christmas, I got talking to a very upper class lady (as one does)
She told me that she had been in London, and very much enjoyed
a visit to Covent Garden (opera house not market)

We got talking about music. I mentioned playing the saxophone.
She said "Oh wat fun, and jolly easy too I suppose. You just
blow and wiggle your fingers"

:-)

Iain

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:27:20 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

There's some distortion in the sax sound at 2.44. Maybe
in the recording chain, maybe spit sound from the sax,
maybe a MP3 artifact. Whatever it is, the eq'd version
emphasises it.

If its spit, its not distortion. Since you don't know,
your comment is meaningless.

Not worth arguing. "Unwanted sound" then.

Accurate use of words seems to be a lost art around here.

It's a shortcoming in subtone (player technique), barely audible
on the .wav file, much more adible on the-mp3 and made much
worse in theEQ'd version.


Have a listen.

I have already listened to my own track, and compared it to the fiction
that Kitty posted here. He didn't implement my recommendation exactly.
Besides, my recommendation was a just first cut, not a recipie for a
finished, mastered recording.

Your suggestion was inmplemented exactly as you wrote it,
and a clone made from the original .wav track on a Studer
digital console.

Your suggestion was horrendous
Your wriggling is understandable:-)

If you were a Roman Catholic, you could recite three Hail Mary's
and buy us all a pint of Guiness, as total absolution.

I am not at all sure what a Born Again Baptist would be expected
to do in a situation like this.

Perhaps you will be turned into a pillar of salt, in which case
I suggest we sell you off in tiny blue bags to the makers of
Smiths Crisps:-)

Iain

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message


Audio is no longer the hands-on hobby it used to be,

Iain speaks for just himself. He's never been hands-on with recording in
his life, even though he was a minor functionary at a well known record
label. If recording had been a hands-on hobby with Iain, he would have at
least a few microphones and he has repeatedly told us he has none.

I have none, not a single one! The company of which I am a shareholder
has a considerable number. The concept of anything but a one man band
still seems to alude you:-)


I find it amusing that after stepping in the do-do on the sidewalk with
his C1000 recommendation, Iain is actually going to get his hands a little
dirty and touch a microphone. That's a victory for me, because I think
that recording can be a very good hands-on occupation, whether at the
amateur level or even professionally. At this point Iain is neither but at
least has taken a few steps in what may be the right direction.

Stupidity not worthy of a reply.

but this recording has been an attempt to do something
practical, as a group project.

It's a practical circle-jerk.

You are welcome to your opinion.


Let's review what happened.

Kitty posted a MP3 file and asked a leading question about it. I made the
mistake of responding honestly and sincerely with a first cut at an
approximate correction to the file that by all accounts did address
Kitty's question. Nobody claim that my proposed change stopped the file
from being "Too mellow".

Kitty probably did the best job he could of implementing my suggestion
with his limited skills and equipment, and posted the file he fabricated
as evidence as part of a trumped=up test of my recording skills.

You suggested EQ was carried out on Studer Vista console
http://www.studer.ch/products/product.aspx?pid=2
exactly as you specified it.


Iain jumped right on it and gave the expected negative reaction. He
further seems to have dredged up two people are far from being UKRA
regulars, to agree with him. One never ever posted here, and the other
posted once a number of months ago. Of course they are going to deny this
to retain Iain's friendship, but the record of Google is clear- they had
no significant interest in UKRA until Iain started libeling me based on
Kitty's botched file.

You are as mad as a light bulb Arny:-))

So what we have is a complete misappropriation of my casual suggestion by
Iain and Kitty, Kitty fabricating evidence, Iain trying to force his
opinions on the group as part of his ongoing vendetta against me,
followed by Iain dredging up his friends to agree with him.

See above.

Iain

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:12:49 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

To give you a bit of impetus:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Music/TTT.mp3


Just a simple backing line to start with would be handy!
Good track isn't it?

If that doesn't get Laurence's trombone player's adrenalin
pumping then nothing will.
Absolutely. I miss playing the thing. I could probably get back to a
standard I'd be happy to record and share in a month or two!

Good news! As far as the playing standard of the UKRAinian
All Stars is concerned, you are probably light years ahead of
the rest of us:-)


But I
have neither the time or a reason to do so (with a real reason, of
course I'd FIND the time:-)

We're working on that. Can you feel a strange warmth every
time you go near the trombone case?


It's in the airing cupboard?




Iain





UKRAnian All Stars! I like that!! :-)

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:23:38 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

There's some samples of my keyboard playing on my web site, if anyone
wants to nit-pick. Though much of it was multi-tracked into a
sequencer, I can assure you it was all PLAYED, not step-entered or
otherwise constructed.



OK, let's have a link then!!

It's easy to Google. Look for the page where I advertise scoring and
backing track services. I can't stop anyone posting the direct link,
but I'd rather they didn't.


OK. I think I got it....

;-)

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:56:57 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

The piece comes over as being put
together, rather than existing in a natural acoustic setting.
Oh it's a composite alright - recorded in three different
countries, and played by people who have never met each
other.
A circumstance that makes it very hard for the players to listen to
each other and co-operate stylistically and rhythmically. It's easy
to phrase together when you can see each other (a little rehearsal
doesn't hurt either :-)


What I would like to see (hear) is dozens of people in different locations
playing in a great big, brought together Bonzo Dog 'Intro Outro' type of
piece - then we could YouTube it!!

That would be great fun. BD were were a very good band.
Maybe The Temperance Seven is more our style?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDhaZElJ4Ho

Iain



Hmm....

A) I never liked them that much and B) It is a very *virtuosic* playing
style - is anybody up to that yet?

Not to mention the vocal - but I bet SN could do it!

:-)

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:03:44 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

We're working on that. Can you feel a strange warmth every
time you go near the trombone case?

Yes! How did you get my cat to pee on the carpet like that?

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:04:32 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

Over Christmas, I got talking to a very upper class lady (as one does)
She told me that she had been in London, and very much enjoyed
a visit to Covent Garden (opera house not market)

We got talking about music. I mentioned playing the saxophone.
She said "Oh wat fun, and jolly easy too I suppose. You just
blow and wiggle your fingers"

I was out on a gig with a xylophone player. "It must be wonderful to
have your gift!" I looked at Syd. He looked at me. "Yes! I
remember it well - last Tuesday it quite suddenly came upon me that I
could play this thing. When was it for you?"

But sax? Yeah, blow and wiggle just about covers it.

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Iain Churches wrote:



Few people get the opportunity these days, except at concerts,
to hear musical instruments "in the flesh" as it were, and are
sometimes quite surprised when they do.

I have posted here before on a number of occasions - ****s who are stuck
on the 'accuracy' aspect of *hifi* equipment and think their 'porridge
pump' sound system delivers the 'real thing' can come here and hear a parp
or two on Swim's clart....

A parp or two? :)

Over Christmas, I got talking to a very upper class lady (as one does)
She told me that she had been in London, and very much enjoyed
a visit to Covent Garden (opera house not market)

We got talking about music. I mentioned playing the saxophone.
She said "Oh wat fun, and jolly easy too I suppose. You just
blow and wiggle your fingers"

:-)


Are you sure that isn't what she said *she* does? ;-)


On a serious note, it's an absolute eye (ear) opener - I can have the
'hifi' going really quite loudly and Swim can absolutely *cut it in
half* with a strong note on the clart!

Mind boggling!!

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:03:44 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

We're working on that. Can you feel a strange warmth every
time you go near the trombone case?

Yes! How did you get my cat to pee on the carpet like that?


The cat pee'd in the airing cupboard??

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:09:30 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


I have none, not a single one! The company of which I am a shareholder
has a considerable number. The concept of anything but a one man band
still seems to alude you:-)


Really Iain! "Hail Mary's" and "alude" all within a few minutes? Your
having a bad affect on the group.

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:22:12 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

Are you sure that isn't what she said *she* does? ;-)

WHAT did you say she was doing in Covent Garden?

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:23:24 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

We're working on that. Can you feel a strange warmth every
time you go near the trombone case?

Yes! How did you get my cat to pee on the carpet like that?


The cat pee'd in the airing cupboard??

Oh, all the time. It's doing it by the trombone case that's unusual.

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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:09:30 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


I have none, not a single one! The company of which I am a shareholder
has a considerable number. The concept of anything but a one man band
still seems to alude you:-)


Really Iain! "Hail Mary's" and "alude" all within a few minutes? Your
having a bad affect on the group.

Sorry for the typo. I shall don sackcloth and ashes this moment:-)
Can I do penance by working as a rigger on one of Arny's sessions?

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:23:24 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

We're working on that. Can you feel a strange warmth every
time you go near the trombone case?
Yes! How did you get my cat to pee on the carpet like that?

The cat pee'd in the airing cupboard??

Oh, all the time. It's doing it by the trombone case that's unusual.



It's trying to tell you to get it out, brush up and join the UKRAnian
All Stars for their next production - Moonlight Serenade, I believe!

:-)


(I calculate we need at least 16 tracks for the albumm - then we can
peddle it on the Net at top *greedy-********* MI prices and just sit
back and wait for the cash to come *pouring in*..!! ;-)

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:56:57 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

The piece comes over as being put
together, rather than existing in a natural acoustic setting.
Oh it's a composite alright - recorded in three different
countries, and played by people who have never met each
other.
A circumstance that makes it very hard for the players to listen to
each other and co-operate stylistically and rhythmically. It's easy
to phrase together when you can see each other (a little rehearsal
doesn't hurt either :-)


What I would like to see (hear) is dozens of people in different
locations
playing in a great big, brought together Bonzo Dog 'Intro Outro' type of
piece - then we could YouTube it!!

That would be great fun. BD were were a very good band.
Maybe The Temperance Seven is more our style?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDhaZElJ4Ho

Iain



Hmm....

A) I never liked them that much

OK. Only an idea. We could play highlights from
Meistersingers instead, but with a drum machine, some
sampled French horns, and Madonna shouting "Hey"
at various points. Or......


and B) It is a very *virtuosic* playing
style - is anybody up to that yet?

It's only a matter of practice, and blowing into
the sharp end and waggling your fingers, just
as the lady said.

Not to mention the vocal - but I bet SN could do it!

I had you in mind for that, Keith.
Bring your own megaphone.

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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:22:12 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

Are you sure that isn't what she said *she* does? ;-)

WHAT did you say she was doing in Covent Garden?

Attending the hopera, but I only have her word for it:-)
Though come to think of it, it did seem a little odd when
she pulled out one of those MasterCard chip and pin
terminals from her pocket instead of a cellphone:-)

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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Kitty probably did the best job he could of implementing
my suggestion with his limited skills and equipment, and
posted the file he fabricated as evidence as part of a trumped=up test of
my recording skills.

You suggested EQ was carried out on Studer Vista console
http://www.studer.ch/products/product.aspx?pid=2
exactly as you specified it.

Please provide the name of the document and the page in that document that
describes this console's "FFT filter".

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"Keith G" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:27:20 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

There's some distortion in the sax sound at 2.44.
Maybe in the recording chain, maybe spit sound from
the sax, maybe a MP3 artifact. Whatever it is, the
eq'd version emphasises it.
If its spit, its not distortion. Since you don't
know, your comment is meaningless.
Not worth arguing. "Unwanted sound" then.
Accurate use of words seems to be a lost art around
here.
Have a listen.
I have already listened to my own track, and compared
it to the fiction that Kitty posted here. He didn't
implement my recommendation exactly. Besides, my
recommendation was a just first cut, not a recipie for
a finished, mastered recording.

Wake up THICKO..!!

I only recorded the clarinet - I mixed NOTHING, I EQ'd
NOTHING.

What is this?

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3

It's your suggestion EQ'd by *Iain* and sent to me for
purposes of posting a 'before and after'/'better or
worse' comparison'!

The key point being that this is not a file that I produced, or advised or
consented to. In short, its something that Iain cobbled together for
less-than-honorable purposes.

You *know* I neither have the software or skill (or the
inclination to acquire either one) do you not?

AFAIK, neither does Iain.

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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What is this?

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


What does the EQ in the file name mean?

It identifies the file EQ'd precisely to your suggestions.

It appears that the hardware you used lacks the ability to do what you say.

Please provide the URL of a document, and a page number in that document,
that descibes the "FFT filter" in this console.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:27:20 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

There's some distortion in the sax sound at 2.44.
Maybe in the recording chain, maybe spit sound from
the sax, maybe a MP3 artifact. Whatever it is, the
eq'd version emphasises it.
If its spit, its not distortion. Since you don't
know, your comment is meaningless.
Not worth arguing. "Unwanted sound" then.
Accurate use of words seems to be a lost art around
here.
Have a listen.
I have already listened to my own track, and compared
it to the fiction that Kitty posted here. He didn't
implement my recommendation exactly. Besides, my
recommendation was a just first cut, not a recipie for
a finished, mastered recording.
Wake up THICKO..!!

I only recorded the clarinet - I mixed NOTHING, I EQ'd
NOTHING.
What is this?

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3

It's your suggestion EQ'd by *Iain* and sent to me for
purposes of posting a 'before and after'/'better or
worse' comparison'!

The key point being that this is not a file that I produced,



Exactly - not your concern and not your property. Much less anything to
be *paid for*...!!



or advised or
consented to.



Your consent was not required - you made a comment in a public forum.
What happened or did not happen as a consequence is beyond your control
and does not need your permission. If you think I am wrong, sue me....

Actually, I would have thought you would have considered yourself to be
lucky not to have just been told to **** off - no?

Remember, there is an element of 'parole'to be considered if you are not
to end up back in my ****ter - which I'm sure would mean life would be a
lot less rumbunctious for a few 'prissy types' here..??)




In short, its something that Iain cobbled together for
less-than-honorable purposes.



Your paranoia is showing agaim - even the clarinettist liked your
suggestion in various places!

I mentioned this before - you appear to have elected to ignore it. Your
privilege....



You *know* I neither have the software or skill (or the
inclination to acquire either one) do you not?

AFAIK, neither does Iain.




How you can draw that conclusion in the light of the current proceedings
simply beggars belief and serves only to illustrate your dishonesty....

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:56:57 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

The piece comes over as being put
together, rather than existing in a natural acoustic setting.
Oh it's a composite alright - recorded in three different
countries, and played by people who have never met each
other.
A circumstance that makes it very hard for the players to listen to
each other and co-operate stylistically and rhythmically. It's easy
to phrase together when you can see each other (a little rehearsal
doesn't hurt either :-)

What I would like to see (hear) is dozens of people in different
locations
playing in a great big, brought together Bonzo Dog 'Intro Outro' type of
piece - then we could YouTube it!!
That would be great fun. BD were were a very good band.
Maybe The Temperance Seven is more our style?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDhaZElJ4Ho

Iain


Hmm....

A) I never liked them that much

OK. Only an idea. We could play highlights from
Meistersingers instead, but with a drum machine, some
sampled French horns, and Madonna shouting "Hey"
at various points. Or......


Don't say it - *Domine*...!!!??




and B) It is a very *virtuosic* playing
style - is anybody up to that yet?

It's only a matter of practice, and blowing into
the sharp end and waggling your fingers, just
as the lady said.
Not to mention the vocal - but I bet SN could do it!

I had you in mind for that, Keith.
Bring your own megaphone.


Haven't got one - mebbe I could fettle a traffic cone....

:-)

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Keith G wrote:


http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3

It's your suggestion EQ'd by *Iain* and sent to me for
purposes of posting a 'before and after'/'better or
worse' comparison'!

The key point being that this is not a file that I produced,



Exactly - not your concern and not your property. Much less anything to
be *paid for*...!!


Your consent was not required - you made a comment in a public forum.

I'm not sure if Arny has quite got the idea of unmoderated groups on usenet
yet..he seems to think that any criticism of him or his friends is 'libellous'
[his word in an earlier thread] or in some other way illegal.

--
Bill Coombes

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:54:34 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

Don't say it - *Domine*...!!!??

Was Arny's recording THAT bad? Was it posted to show off technical
skill or for the musical content? Just trying to be charitable.