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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:02:43 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


You know Arny, you could get some respect back by simply
posting something GOOD you've recorded. There must have
been SOMETHING?

Good? Good equipment, no problemo. Good performers, well not so much. Good
venue? Let's put it this way, the best places I've ever recorded in were
high school auditoriums.

As long as UKRA is dominated by trolls like Iain and Kitty, not a chance in
^%$# anything I ever record will be posted here.



I started off as an amateur too. I guess most people in the arts did.
And for a time I was king, applauded from all quarters, big fish in my
little pool. There were plenty of opportunities, plenty of toys to
play with, plenty of praise, almost no standards.

Some people are happy to stay like this. But, as you've never come
anywhere near to running with the big boys, isn't it a bit foolish to
pose on the newsgroups as such an expert?

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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message


isn't it a bit foolish to pose on the newsgroups as such an expert?

Doctor, cure yourself.

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"Keith G" wrote in message


As long as UKRA is dominated by trolls like Iain and
Kitty, not a chance in ^%$# anything I ever record will
be posted here.

How pathetic....

Yeah Kitty, it must really be nasty being you!

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Laurence Payne" wrote in message

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:28:47 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

It's a high school chorus recorded in a nearly-empty
high school auditorium. It's quite clear that you would
deny the people involved with performances like this,
the benefits of a recording like this that they can use
for the purposes of instruction, or sentimentality. It
*is* a pretty good replica of what they sounded like at
the judge's seats at the time.

Fine. Remind us why you posted it?

It was so long ago I don't recall.

The .mp3 file I have is dated 27 May 2009 -
the date I dowloaded it. The link was broken
very soon after that.

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:21:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

You are the sum of your postings.

Nietzsche ?

--
Bill Coombes

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message


As long as UKRA is dominated by trolls like Iain and
Kitty, not a chance in ^%$# anything I ever record will
be posted here.

How pathetic....

Yeah Kitty, it must really be nasty being you!





Maybe, or perhaps you just bring out the *best* in everybody??

Anyway, forget all that - I want you to take a calming break from all
this pugilistic palavering and treat yourself to the 1st movement of
arguably the best, most beautiful Violin Concerto ever written by one of
our finest composers and played by one our very finest violinists:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...to-1stMovt.mp3


(Violin Concerto Op. 15 - Britten/Friend/LPO/Pritchard)


Vinyl of course and MP3'd, but I can't help that - my first
'digitisation' using Audacity on the new computer.

Relax and enjoy!

If anybody wants, I'll post the whole thing when Iain's shifted his
stuff out tha way...

:-)

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Anyway, forget all that - I want you to take a calming break from all this
pugilistic palavering and treat yourself to the 1st movement of arguably
the best, most beautiful Violin Concerto ever written by one of our finest
composers and played by one our very finest violinists:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...to-1stMovt.mp3


(Violin Concerto Op. 15 - Britten/Friend/LPO/Pritchard)

Delightful. Arny is probably not too familiar with Britten,
It will be interesting to hear his impressions

If anybody wants, I'll post the whole thing when Iain's shifted his stuff
out tha way...

Shifted. Many thanks.

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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:31:20 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Remind me again why you felt yours worth presenting?

It was so long ago I don't recall. Obviously, I've had more than enough
adversity theropy so that I will never do it again.

You know Arny, you could get some respect back by simply posting
something GOOD you've recorded. There must have been SOMETHING?

A*dozen* people have made the same request a thousand
times. Arny has tried to use the copyright act, and a many
other excuses for not posting any of the 1 000 projects
about which he has been so boastful while denigrating the
work of so many others others

The last excuse I read on RAO prior to Arny's
departure soon afterwards, was that he nothing which
reached "the standard" (not quite sure what that means:-)
But after this, "Domine" was posted to a pro group in
an attempt to substantiate his pro status. So, it would
not be unreasonable to assume that this is representative
of his best efforts (No one would post their worst work,
would they?)


Yours etc
Bewildered of Berkhamstead

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"bcoombes" bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote in message
o.uk

Laurence Payne wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:21:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

You are the sum of your postings.

Nietzsche ?

More like nonsense. Or perhaps a somewhat sad autobiographical comment.

More likely, our internet personas in various contexts relate a
time-weighted average of the of our postings in that context.

I view newsgroup postings as being personal interactive infotainment. A
great deal of *me* is someplace else, thank God!

The real-world me is currently doing a number of things that has nothing at
all to do with my current postings - getting prepared for the festival
recording season by updating my laptop and doing sample projects with a new
Presonus FW audio interface, modding some power amps for use in a live sound
environment, testing some fair-sized power amps with built-in DSPs, two
wireless networking projects, some audio and video production work, some
event planning, Some facilities AV upgrade planning, doing AV for
rehearsals and events, taking calls and performing work for my day job
(which absorbs a lot of time but not a lot that is On-Topic here), sorting
the booty from cleaning out the equipment storerooms of the largest A/V
magazine in the world, and upgrading the amplifier stack for a fair-sized
live sound system.

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"Keith G" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message


As long as UKRA is dominated by trolls like Iain and
Kitty, not a chance in ^%$# anything I ever record will
be posted here.

How pathetic....

Yeah Kitty, it must really be nasty being you!

Maybe, or perhaps you just bring out the *best* in
everybody??

In a way. Where there are good people, I try to bring out the best. Where
there are a lot of AH's, when I have the time and opportunity, I simulate
AH's to act like AH's in the hopes that even in their limited state of
self-awareness, they will realize that they spend a lot of time acting like
AHs.

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message


Delightful. Arny is probably not too familiar with
Britten, It will be interesting to hear his impressions

As usual Iain distracts me from actually listening to the music by spouting
off more of his self-aggrandizing BS. I've been listening to Britten pieces
occasionally since I was a child. Not one of my faves, but nothing that it
hurts to listen to.

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message


Bewildered of Berkhamstead

Iain, you must have been born bewildered, given the amazing amount of trash
you spew between your rare coherent or even truthful statements.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message


As long as UKRA is dominated by trolls like Iain and
Kitty, not a chance in ^%$# anything I ever record will
be posted here.
How pathetic....
Yeah Kitty, it must really be nasty being you!

Maybe, or perhaps you just bring out the *best* in
everybody??

In a way.



Streuth! It's right what they say ain't it? - Yanks don't do irony!


claptrap snipped


Did you even listen to the music, Arny?

Do you want the link again:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...to-1stMovt.mp3


I thought it would calm you and help restore your equilibrium....

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Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3

Is it *too* mellow?

Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3

comments appreciated!

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Keith Garratt" wrote in message


Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings and
vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm curious -
anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3

Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a linear 15 dB rise
starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15 KHz.

Listen to the drumkit sounds Arny, they are not *that* far off, as for
getting the tonal balance where it would have been if it was all close
miked, yes, but it isn't and you can't (only) eq your way out of a mix
balance problem.

I can't make my mind up as to whether this is from a pair, but I think so,
even if it lacks ambience. It could be some small thingamajic on a table ...
that height above the floor would fit the 250 Hz dip being caused by a floor
reflection and the balance fits the drumkit being to the rear of the
""stage"" and partly in acoustic shadow.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k
Arny Krueger wrote:

"Keith Garratt" wrote in
message

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings
and vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm curious
- anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3

Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a
linear 15 dB rise starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15 KHz.

Listen to the drumkit sounds Arny, they are not *that*
far off, as for getting the tonal balance where it would
have been if it was all close miked, yes, but it isn't
and you can't (only) eq your way out of a mix balance
problem.

I was looking at the *whole* recording.

Also, I was using monitors that probably differ from yours. Back in the days
when I lived in Germany, it seemed like *every* European speaker sounded
shrill to me. I don't know what things are like today, but many of the
European speakers we get over hear seem to run hotter from the midrange on
up. Also, the American idea of bass seems to in general run far richer.

I can't make my mind up as to whether this is from a
pair, but I think so, even if it lacks ambience. It could
be some small thingamajic on a table ... that height
above the floor would fit the 250 Hz dip being caused by
a floor reflection and the balance fits the drumkit being
to the rear of the ""stage"" and partly in acoustic
shadow.

I don't hear live acoustical drums often, so I can't use them as a reference
and have peak performance.

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Peter Larsen wrote:
Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3

Is it *too* mellow?

Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3

comments appreciated!

Kind regards

Peter Larsen



That's nice, Peter!

I have only heard it in isolation (waste of time me comparing anything
other than profound differences) and I'd have said it was *commercial*!!

The clarinettist heard it on my (none too shabby) computer setup and was
delighted with it!!

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"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k
Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings
and vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm curious
- anybody got any comments on this one:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3

Is it *too* mellow?

Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3

comments appreciated!

Noticing that the onboard audio interface and headphones on this PC ended up
with listening levels that were a little shy of being comfortable for me, I
added a Fiio E5 USB-powered headphone amp, and decided that the original
track as presented was really pretty good.

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Arny Krueger wrote:

I was looking at the *whole* recording.

The main issue is that the bass masks everything by being 5 dB too loud. It
may so have been in the room or it may be a property of the mic setup, I
tend to assume the latter.

I didn't look at other tracks, only on what I had. So much EQ would not be a
first choice on a non-degraded recording. Also when there is too little
something, then perhaps it is better to fix what there is too much of,
cutting generally - there is no doubt some exception - causes less "issues"
than boosting.

Also, I was using monitors that probably differ from yours.

Used my M50's on the laptop.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k

Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3

comments appreciated!

Noticing that the onboard audio interface and headphones
on this PC ended up with listening levels that were a
little shy of being comfortable for me, I added a Fiio E5
USB-powered headphone amp, and decided that the original
track as presented was really pretty good.

Correction - it was georgia-pl that I was listening to and liked it with the
boosted headphone level. GeorgiaM is still too mellow.

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Peter Larsen wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:

I was looking at the *whole* recording.

The main issue is that the bass masks everything by being 5 dB too loud. It
may so have been in the room or it may be a property of the mic setup, I
tend to assume the latter.

I didn't look at other tracks, only on what I had. So much EQ would not be a
first choice on a non-degraded recording. Also when there is too little
something, then perhaps it is better to fix what there is too much of,
cutting generally - there is no doubt some exception - causes less "issues"
than boosting.

Also, I was using monitors that probably differ from yours.

Used my M50's on the laptop.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen




Peter, that track is composed of music from the various instruments
recorded in three different *countries* - Canada, UK and Finland!!

It's an *international* recording!!

No trick, no con, not trying (ever, asitappens) to catch anybody out -
just a bit of fun that we hope to repeat!


:-)

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"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k...
Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3

Is it *too* mellow?

Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3


Nice work, Peter. If time permits, I will put together
a composite - 4 bars orig, 4 bars yours, etc of the
whole piece so those interested can hear a comparison
without having to switch anything.

I think that yours is the kind of reply that Keith was
hoping for at the start of this thread (I know was:-)

Iain

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k...
Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3
Is it *too* mellow?
Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3


Nice work, Peter. If time permits, I will put together
a composite - 4 bars orig, 4 bars yours, etc of the
whole piece so those interested can hear a comparison
without having to switch anything.

I think that yours is the kind of reply that Keith was
hoping for at the start of this thread (I know was:-)


Yes it was but Arny's suggestion (which you implemented - he being too
shy) was also interesting - for instance, the 'clarinettist' liked the
effect on the sound of the clart.

Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to turn
acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

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"Keith G" wrote in message


Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to
turn acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

True Kitty, you've been acting sour and mentally queer around here as long
as most of us can remember. This post would be another example of the same.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message


Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to
turn acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

True Kitty, you've been acting sour and mentally queer around here as long
as most of us can remember. This post would be another example of the
same.

Be on your best behaviour now, Arny, or we shall have to put
you back in that cell with Daddy Laurence:-))

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Iain Churches wrote:
"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k...
Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3
Is it *too* mellow?
Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3


Nice work, Peter. If time permits, I will put together
a composite - 4 bars orig, 4 bars yours, etc of the
whole piece so those interested can hear a comparison
without having to switch anything.

I think that yours is the kind of reply that Keith was
hoping for at the start of this thread (I know was:-)


Yes it was but Arny's suggestion (which you implemented - he being too
shy) was also interesting - for instance, the 'clarinettist' liked the
effect on the sound of the clart.

As I tried to tell Arny, radicdal EQ (and it doesn't come more
radical than +15dB at 15kHz) should not be applied on overall
mixes as it can improve some elements of the mix but adversely
affect others. So, to brighten the clart only, one needs add EQ
at track level, or while it is being recorded.

Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to turn
acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

A rational discussion with Mr K does seem to be impossible.
That's a great shame. But despite that, the other posts and
contributions to this thread have been most interesting, and
we can expand the experiment further by breaking the recording
down track by track and see what effect signal processing
has.

I did not mention that our original is mixed, but not "mastered"
in the modern sense of the word. Peter seems to have had a
go at that. I will listen on my main system when time permits.

Iain

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k
Arny Krueger wrote:

"Keith Garratt" wrote in
message

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings
and vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm curious
- anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3

Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a
linear 15 dB rise starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15 KHz.

Listen to the drumkit sounds Arny, they are not *that*
far off, as for getting the tonal balance where it would
have been if it was all close miked, yes, but it isn't
and you can't (only) eq your way out of a mix balance
problem.

I was looking at the *whole* recording.

Which is the right thing to do, but one must also
consider every single individual element that make
up that whole, and ensure that excess overall EQ
does not affect them adversely.



Also, I was using monitors that probably differ from yours. Back in the
days when I lived in Germany, it seemed like *every* European speaker
sounded shrill to me. I don't know what things are like today, but many of
the European speakers we get over hear seem to run hotter from the
midrange on up.

Neither Tannoy, B+W or Kef either, are considered bright.
A facility here has a pair of American JBL monitors
which I like very much.

Also, the American idea of bass seems to in general run
far richer.

And yet you proposed "a broad dip" around 100Hz.


I can't make my mind up as to whether this is from a
pair, but I think so, even if it lacks ambience. It could
be some small thingamajic on a table ... that height
above the floor would fit the 250 Hz dip being caused by
a floor reflection and the balance fits the drumkit being
to the rear of the ""stage"" and partly in acoustic
shadow.

I don't hear live acoustical drums often, so I can't use them as a
reference and have peak performance.

You don't say:-)

It's of great value to sit in front of a kit, and listen carefully,
especially to different snares, hi hats and top cymbals.


Surprisingly, not too may drummers really know how to
tune their kits for recording, and will rely on the engineer
to "tape up" the snare, pad the BD and apply copious
EQ as and where required This is not the best way to
go about it. It's well worthwhile to pay a drummer
who does know how to tune, (but may not be such a
good player/reader) a three hour session fee to set
the kit up before the recording. It can save hours
of expensive studio time spent in a drum check.

Iain

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message


Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to
turn acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

True Kitty, you've been acting sour and mentally queer around here as long
as most of us can remember. This post would be another example of the same.





This what - another example of *my* 'crafty snipping'....??

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Iain Churches wrote:
"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k...
Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3
Is it *too* mellow?
Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3

Nice work, Peter. If time permits, I will put together
a composite - 4 bars orig, 4 bars yours, etc of the
whole piece so those interested can hear a comparison
without having to switch anything.

I think that yours is the kind of reply that Keith was
hoping for at the start of this thread (I know was:-)

Yes it was but Arny's suggestion (which you implemented - he being too
shy) was also interesting - for instance, the 'clarinettist' liked the
effect on the sound of the clart.

As I tried to tell Arny, radicdal EQ (and it doesn't come more
radical than +15dB at 15kHz) should not be applied on overall
mixes as it can improve some elements of the mix but adversely
affect others.


Of course.


So, to brighten the clart only, one needs add EQ
at track level, or while it is being recorded.


Yes.



Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to turn
acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

A rational discussion with Mr K does seem to be impossible.


It does.



That's a great shame.


Maybe, but I'm all weirded out with him now....



But despite that, the other posts and
contributions to this thread have been most interesting,


They have indeed and it's pleasing to see some 'new blood'
appearing/re-appearing - metaphorically speaking, of course!



and
we can expand the experiment further by breaking the recording
down track by track and see what effect signal processing
has.



OK, but let's not *science* it to death - a
pleasant-sounding/foot-tapping track is all, in my book!




I did not mention that our original is mixed, but not "mastered"
in the modern sense of the word. Peter seems to have had a
go at that. I will listen on my main system when time permits.


See above!!

;-)

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"bcoombes" bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote in message
o.uk

Laurence Payne wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:21:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

You are the sum of your postings.

Nietzsche ?

More like nonsense. Or perhaps a somewhat sad autobiographical comment.

More likely, our internet personas in various contexts relate a
time-weighted average of the of our postings in that context.

I view newsgroup postings as being personal interactive infotainment.

Yeah, anyone with any sense views it that way Arny, if you thought otherwise I
beg to suggest you have been misinterpreting the 'mood' of most posts. See my
forthcoming book.. "Usenet Posting.. An Insufficient Vehicle for Irony."


--
Bill Coombes

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k
Arny Krueger wrote:

"Keith Garratt" wrote in
message

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings
and vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm
curious - anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3

Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a
linear 15 dB rise starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15
KHz.

Listen to the drumkit sounds Arny, they are not *that*
far off, as for getting the tonal balance where it would
have been if it was all close miked, yes, but it isn't
and you can't (only) eq your way out of a mix balance
problem.

I was looking at the *whole* recording.

Which is the right thing to do, but one must also
consider every single individual element that make
up that whole, and ensure that excess overall EQ
does not affect them adversely.

Also, I was using monitors that probably differ from
yours. Back in the days when I lived in Germany, it
seemed like *every* European speaker sounded shrill to
me. I don't know what things are like today, but many of
the European speakers we get over hear seem to run
hotter from the midrange on up.

Neither Tannoy, B+W or Kef either, are considered bright.

They are not European, they are British.


A facility here has a pair of American JBL monitors
which I like very much.

Also, the American idea of bass seems to in general run
far richer.

And yet you proposed "a broad dip" around 100Hz.

That might be your idea of bass, Iain.

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message


As I tried to tell Arny, radicdal EQ (and it doesn't come
more radical than +15dB at 15kHz) should not be applied
on overall mixes as it can improve some elements of the
mix but adversely affect others.

And then Iain you provided a track with even more eq than that, particularly
in the midrange. and blamed me for it.

So how much did you coach the engineer friend who actually did the work,
apparently with outdated equipment?

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message


As I tried to tell Arny, radicdal EQ (and it doesn't come
more radical than +15dB at 15kHz) should not be applied
on overall mixes as it can improve some elements of the
mix but adversely affect others.

And then Iain you provided a track with even more eq than that,
particularly in the midrange. and blamed me for it.


The track I provided was EQ precisely to your suggestion.
If your instructions were incorrect and the version is not
as you intended, you are welcome to post a corrrection,
fr us all to compare.

If you cannot or will not do this, there is no point
in discussing this matter with you further.

Iain

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Iain Churches wrote:

But despite that, the other posts and
contributions to this thread have been most interesting,


They have indeed and it's pleasing to see some 'new blood'
appearing/re-appearing - metaphorically speaking, of course!

I have a feeling that we might have more contributors for the
next title so we shal need to edit a backing track with a couple
more choruses. Does anyone here play bagpipes or ophicleide? :-)


and
we can expand the experiment further by breaking the recording
down track by track and see what effect signal processing
has.

OK, but let's not *science* it to death - a pleasant-sounding/foot-tapping
track is all, in my book!

Yes, in retrospect I agree. It's not a recording arts project,
it's just a group/domestic get-together, a bit of fun. Let's keep
it like that.

Iain

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Also, the American idea of bass seems to in general run
far richer.

And yet you proposed "a broad dip" around 100Hz.

That might be your idea of bass, Iain.

But you contradict yourself with your statement above,
and then thinning out the LF.

I was happy with it as it was, but your "broad dip at 100Hz"
was acceptable, and gave the rhythm section a lighter feel
so I did not dislike it.

Iain

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"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k...
Arny Krueger wrote:

"Keith Garratt" wrote in message


Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings and
vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm curious -
anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3

Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a linear 15 dB rise
starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15 KHz.

Listen to the drumkit sounds Arny, they are not *that* far off, as for
getting the tonal balance where it would have been if it was all close
miked, yes, but it isn't and you can't (only) eq your way out of a mix
balance problem.

I can't make my mind up as to whether this is from a pair, but I think so,
even if it lacks ambience. It could be some small thingamajic on a table
... that height above the floor would fit the 250 Hz dip being caused by a
floor reflection and the balance fits the drumkit being to the rear of the
""stage"" and partly in acoustic shadow.

Presumably you talking about the drums only, Peter, when say "from a pair".
Although the playing is simple, the kit is multi mic, BD, snare and OHs, so
no "small thingamajic on a table"

Iain

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bcoombes wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"bcoombes" bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote in message
o.uk

Laurence Payne wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:21:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

You are the sum of your postings.

Nietzsche ?

More like nonsense. Or perhaps a somewhat sad autobiographical comment.

More likely, our internet personas in various contexts relate a
time-weighted average of the of our postings in that context.

I view newsgroup postings as being personal interactive infotainment.

Yeah, anyone with any sense views it that way Arny, if you thought
otherwise I beg to suggest you have been misinterpreting the 'mood' of
most posts. See my forthcoming book.. "Usenet Posting.. An Insufficient
Vehicle for Irony."




I just posted the other day - you are wasting your time on Yanks with
*irony* - they don't get it, they never had an Iron Age....

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Keith G wrote:
bcoombes wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"bcoombes" bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote in message
o.uk

Laurence Payne wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:21:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

You are the sum of your postings.

Nietzsche ?

More like nonsense. Or perhaps a somewhat sad autobiographical comment.

More likely, our internet personas in various contexts relate a
time-weighted average of the of our postings in that context.

I view newsgroup postings as being personal interactive infotainment.

Yeah, anyone with any sense views it that way Arny, if you thought
otherwise I beg to suggest you have been misinterpreting the 'mood' of
most posts. See my forthcoming book.. "Usenet Posting.. An
Insufficient Vehicle for Irony."

....they never had an Iron Age....


Lol, consequence of being an 'immigrant' nation I suppose

--
Bill Coombes

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Also, the American idea of bass seems to in general run
far richer.

And yet you proposed "a broad dip" around 100Hz.

That might be your idea of bass, Iain.

But you contradict yourself with your statement above,
and then thinning out the LF.

No contradiction at all. In fact the two statements are exactly
complementary.

I don't consider 100 Hz to be bass. I consider it to be the lowest end of
midrange. I consider 32-64 Hz to be bass.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
Also, the American idea of bass seems to in general run
far richer.
And yet you proposed "a broad dip" around 100Hz.
That might be your idea of bass, Iain.

But you contradict yourself with your statement above,
and then thinning out the LF.

No contradiction at all. In fact the two statements are exactly
complementary.

I don't consider 100 Hz to be bass. I consider it to be the lowest end of
midrange. I consider 32-64 Hz to be bass.



Shirley you mean 20 Hz to 80 Hz. I've got a Studiomaster C180 active crossover
with exchangeable cards, the lowest one they do is 80 Hz and you can get 120 Hz
ones.

--
Bill Coombes