Is this too mellow?
 

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


Is it *too* mellow?

Is this too mellow?
 

Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


Is it *too* mellow?


Dunno about that but it had a good sound stage listening through the X-Fi sound
card and Sennheisers.

Is this too mellow?
 

"Keith Garratt" wrote in message

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings and
vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm curious -
anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a linear 15 dB rise
starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15 KHz.

Is this too mellow?
 

On 10/01/2010 21:12, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith wrote in message

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings and
vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm curious -
anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a linear 15 dB rise
starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15 KHz.



OK.

Is this too mellow?
 

"Keith Garratt" wrote in message
...
On 10/01/2010 21:12, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith wrote in message

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings and
vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm curious -
anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a linear 15 dB rise
starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15 KHz.



OK.


No. Not OK.

An EQ slope starting at 1kHz and rising to +15dB
at 15kHz makes the track glassy and unnatural.

Arny should be taught how to evaluate a track by listening, not
by looking at a frequency analysis plot on a PC, and trying to fill
in what he thinks might be missing.

One should listen carefully to the instruments in their own
acoustic environment before even attempting to capture them
in a recording.

EQ on overall mixes is best kept to very moderate amounts,
perhaps 2-3dB. Larger changes need to be made on individual
instruments if they are required. For example, an attempt to
brighten the piano on a overall mix can easily turn the clarinet
(woodwind) into a glasswind instrument.

I thought your clarinet sound was good, Keith - clean,
sufficiently bright, and nicely woody.

Iain

Is this too mellow?
 

On 11/01/2010 10:39, Iain Churches wrote:
"Keith wrote in message
...
On 10/01/2010 21:12, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith wrote in message

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings and
vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm curious -
anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a linear 15 dB rise
starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15 KHz.



OK.


No. Not OK.

An EQ slope starting at 1kHz and rising to +15dB
at 15kHz makes the track glassy and unnatural.

Arny should be taught how to evaluate a track by listening, not
by looking at a frequency analysis plot on a PC, and trying to fill
in what he thinks might be missing.

One should listen carefully to the instruments in their own
acoustic environment before even attempting to capture them
in a recording.

EQ on overall mixes is best kept to very moderate amounts,
perhaps 2-3dB. Larger changes need to be made on individual
instruments if they are required. For example, an attempt to
brighten the piano on a overall mix can easily turn the clarinet
(woodwind) into a glasswind instrument.

I thought your clarinet sound was good, Keith - clean,
sufficiently bright, and nicely woody.


Thanks, Iain - that's the AKG 'SolidTube' valve mic through the 'ultra
low noise' SS mic amp I mentioned on here a few months back.

(I prefer the idea of not using 'valve on valve'...??)


Anyway, here's the original again:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


And here's Arny's suggestion (EQ is not *my* work):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


So, it's a simple case of 'better or worse?'...??

What does the team think?

Is this too mellow?
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
On 11/01/2010 10:39, Iain Churches wrote:

I thought your clarinet sound was good, Keith - clean,
sufficiently bright, and nicely woody.


Thanks, Iain - that's the AKG 'SolidTube' valve mic through the 'ultra low
noise' SS mic amp I mentioned on here a few months back.

(I prefer the idea of not using 'valve on valve'...??)


Anyway, here's the original again:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


And here's Arny's suggestion (EQ is not *my* work):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


So, it's a simple case of 'better or worse?'...??

What does the team think?

Hmm. In comparisons, brighter, just like louder, is
found by many to be better. One also needs to compare
both with a real clarinet, to decide which sounds more
like the real thing.

A clarinet is made of wood, not glass:-)

Iain

Is this too mellow?
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Keith Garratt" wrote in message
...
On 10/01/2010 21:12, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith wrote in
message
Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings
and vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm
curious - anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a
linear 15 dB rise starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15
KHz.

OK.

No. Not OK.

An EQ slope starting at 1kHz and rising to +15dB
at 15kHz makes the track glassy and unnatural.

I'm buying some of that, but notice that I only said it sounded better than
the origional which is excessively mellow. If someone wants me to really fix
something, they can pay my going rate. What I did for free was provide some
guidance.

Of course in your world Iain, no good deed goes unpunished.

Arny should be taught how to evaluate a track by
listening, not by looking at a frequency analysis plot on a PC, and
trying to fill in what he thinks might be missing.

You're shooting off your mouth again, Iain. I did both.

One should listen carefully to the instruments in their
own acoustic environment before even attempting to
capture them in a recording.

You're shooting off your mouth again, Iain. I currently spend more time
every week listening to instruments in their own acoustical environment than
you do, and probably more than you did before they riffed you out of Decca.

EQ on overall mixes is best kept to very moderate amounts,
perhaps 2-3dB.

That depends on how bad the problem is and where, Iain.

Iain, you are obviously ignorant of the fact that the ear's sensitivity to
equalization changes varies with frequency. A change of 2-3 dB is
significant over broader bands like an octave or several octaves between say
100-5000 Hz. Outside that range, or over narrow bands changes of 2-3 dB
might not be heard at all. I can cite JAES papers that say this, but they
would probably be over your head, Iain.

Larger changes need to be made on
individual instruments if they are required.

And that is one of the charms of multitrack recordings.

However, I'm guessing that the recording that was brought to us was
undesirably altered during production, after it was mixed. Therefore, there
should be some equalization curve that can be applied to the whole recording
that would improve it.

Is this too mellow?
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message


Hmm. In comparisons, brighter, just like louder, is
found by many to be better. One also needs to compare
both with a real clarinet, to decide which sounds more
like the real thing.

The fallacy here is that a clarinet has only one timbre. In fact, its timbre
is highly dependent on its environment.

A clarinet is made of wood, not glass:-)

Based on the recordings that Iain has brought to us, his monitoring system
is on the bright side. My *reference system* on this PC is a pair of ATH-M50
headphones, well known for their neutrality.

Again Iain's problem is that he's judging a quick shot for the purpose of
guidance as if it were a finished recording, and probably doing so on a
playback system that would be too bright for me.

Is this too mellow?
 

On 11/01/2010 12:59, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Iain wrote in message

"Keith wrote in message
...
On 10/01/2010 21:12, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith wrote in
message
Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings
and vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm
curious - anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a
linear 15 dB rise starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15
KHz.

OK.

No. Not OK.

An EQ slope starting at 1kHz and rising to +15dB
at 15kHz makes the track glassy and unnatural.

I'm buying some of that, but notice that I only said it sounded better than
the origional which is excessively mellow. If someone wants me to really fix
something, they can pay my going rate. What I did for free was provide some
guidance.



For free? Guidance?

Streuth, I only asked for an *opinion* - for free!

I already know what *I* think of both the original and EQ'd versions,
needless to say, but I was/am still interested in the opinions of others
here (includes Poochie's milkman)...

(But I ain't paying any damn *consultation fees*..!!! :-))