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"bcoombes" bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
bcoombes wrote:
Keith G wrote:


Let's face it, you can't guarantee the ****ing silly courts won't rule
that asking questions on newsgroups constitutes a tacit offer of a
remunerated contract for 'technical services'...!!


A few years ago I'd have laughed at that suggestion and said it was
ridiculous.. but now we are living in an era where a symptom of the
general stupidity is that it's safer not to clear the snow and ice of your
own bit of pavement in case you could be held liable if you do and there
is an accident...****ing unbelievable!

You can be held liable for *not* clearing it too, Bill.
If it is really "your bit of pavement" and not the responsibility
of the council.

I live in Helsinki. We have 30cms of snow here at the
moment. Such accidents, rare as they are, are
normally covered by household insurance policy.


Iain

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bcoombes wrote:
Keith G wrote:
bcoombes wrote:
Keith G wrote:


Let's face it, you can't guarantee the ****ing silly courts won't rule
that asking questions on newsgroups constitutes a tacit offer of a
remunerated contract for 'technical services'...!!


A few years ago I'd have laughed at that suggestion and said it was
ridiculous.. but now we are living in an era where a symptom of the
general stupidity is that it's safer not to clear the snow and ice of
your own bit of pavement in case you could be held liable if you do and
there is an accident...****ing unbelievable!




Exactly!

And where does all this crap come from?

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Keith G" wrote in message
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On 11/01/2010 14:01, Keith G wrote:

Righty ho, I have had a bit of a to-do with the new
computer swap over and the 'Georgia' links might have
gone missing for a while - these should work, if I
haven't cocked it all up: Original:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


EQ'd as per *free* recommendation by Arny!:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


So let's be having the 'overly mellow?' vs. 'glassy?'
votes then! :-)

It would be interesting to know what the performers think.

Intersting but irrelevant. Performers are generally too close to their
instruments to hear the same thing as their audience hears.

In this case the opinion of the performers is of the greatest relevance,
as Keith's wife played the clarinet, and I played five of the other tracks
including the tenor saxophone solo on this title. Keith made an admirable
job of recording the clart in the UK to a rough mix of the backing track
which I sent to him, and I assembled the whole thing, synchronised the
tracks and mixed it:)

I am tickled pink by the fact that the tenor saxophone (on a track which
you pronounced as too mellow, was recorded with a mic, which,
although you had never heard it, you stated as too bright:-)

If Keith had entitled the thread "Is this too bright?" I am sure your
reply would still have been "Yes". Damning with faint praise seems
to be one of the few things you are good at.

Well done, Arny:-)

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"bcoombes" bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

just how much *authoratitive tosh* gets sprayed about by the few
self-appointed 'mandarins' in this group!!


Yeah, too true blue, I've only been here a short time but I see that the
'mandarins' must hang around their computers waiting for any casual aside
or slightly ambiguous comment so that they can pounce to demonstrate their
utter technical superiority. I see all the 'usual' tricks..selective post
editing/I'll avoid the hard or challenging bit...straw men...deliberate
misinterpretation to bolster their 'case'...deliberate
ambiguation....reversion to insults/snide insinuation...assumptions that
they *know* are unchallengeable...etc. Still seems to be an amusing little
froup and some of the peeps obviously do know their onions. :)


Bill. You seem to have got the feel of UKRA very quickly:-)

This whole recording project started out as a totally innocent
endevour, and something that a few of us here have been talking about
doing for at least ten years.

There used to be a good number of talented all-rounders here,
with a genuine, practical interest in audio. Many of them were pretty
competent musicians, and also enjoyed valves and vinyl, for their sins.
They were gradually weeded out :-(


But the recording idea took a new twist when I borrow a couple of
budget range AKG condensers for evaluation. Our resident "expert"
Mr K pronounced this mic as "sounding like ****"
even though it was clear that he had never used one.

So it seemed like an amusing idea to record a track with a
clarinet recorded with Keith's tube mic (the experts here will
tell you that tube mics are cr*p too!) and a saxophone solo
on the hideous overbright microphone and offer it for evalution.

You know the rest.

To put what Mr K writes into try perspective, you should listen
to an example of his own work, "Domine":-) I am sure he
will be ahappy to supply a link. If he cannot then someone
else will be happy to oblige, I am sure.


Iain

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Iain Churches wrote:
"bcoombes" bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote in message
o.uk...
Keith G wrote:
bcoombes wrote:
Keith G wrote:

Let's face it, you can't guarantee the ****ing silly courts won't rule
that asking questions on newsgroups constitutes a tacit offer of a
remunerated contract for 'technical services'...!!

A few years ago I'd have laughed at that suggestion and said it was
ridiculous.. but now we are living in an era where a symptom of the
general stupidity is that it's safer not to clear the snow and ice of your
own bit of pavement in case you could be held liable if you do and there
is an accident...****ing unbelievable!

You can be held liable for *not* clearing it too, Bill.
If it is really "your bit of pavement" and not the responsibility
of the council.

I live in Helsinki. We have 30cms of snow here at the
moment. Such accidents, rare as they are, are
normally covered by household insurance policy.


Sounds like the Finns don't do 'health and safety' in the obsessive way we do in
the UK now and may even still have some 'common sense'; something which has all
but disappeared here. ...****.. I seem to have engaged grumpy old man mode..it's
Keith's fault.. :)

--
Bill Coombes

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"bcoombes" bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote in message
o.uk...
Iain Churches wrote:
"bcoombes" bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote in message
o.uk...
Keith G wrote:
bcoombes wrote:
Keith G wrote:

Let's face it, you can't guarantee the ****ing silly courts won't rule
that asking questions on newsgroups constitutes a tacit offer of a
remunerated contract for 'technical services'...!!

A few years ago I'd have laughed at that suggestion and said it was
ridiculous.. but now we are living in an era where a symptom of the
general stupidity is that it's safer not to clear the snow and ice of
your
own bit of pavement in case you could be held liable if you do and there
is an accident...****ing unbelievable!

You can be held liable for *not* clearing it too, Bill.
If it is really "your bit of pavement" and not the responsibility
of the council.

I live in Helsinki. We have 30cms of snow here at the
moment. Such accidents, rare as they are, are
normally covered by household insurance policy.


Sounds like the Finns don't do 'health and safety' in the obsessive way we
do in the UK now and may even still have some 'common sense'; something
which has all but disappeared here. ...

I doubt that health and safety is much different here. As regards winter
conditions
things are much better organised - even at -25C trains and buses still run
on time,
and all roads are kept open and gritted (no salt!)

I remember once in the UK missing a plane because the Gatwick train
was cancelled due to leaves on the line!!

Iain

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote in message


Hmm. In comparisons, brighter, just like louder, is
found by many to be better. One also needs to compare
both with a real clarinet, to decide which sounds more
like the real thing.
The fallacy here is that a clarinet has only one timbre. In fact, its
timbre is highly dependent on its environment.

The clarinet has three very distinctive timbres irrespective
of "environment" (did you mean acoustic?) They are
associated with the three registers: the first, "chalumeau"
up to Bb4 , the second "clarion" from B4 to C6. The third,
altissimo covers about two octaves above C6.
They all sound totally different, irrespective of "environment"
Much of what Keith recorded is clarion.

He achieved a pretty good sound IMO even though he
probably didn't have access to any tutorial info. But he
listens to a lot of good music, and probably hears the clarinet
at home on a daily basis, and so knows how it really
sounds.



'Fraid not Iain - 'clart sessions' are few and far between here, due to
various distractions. It means that when we do get to do a bit of
recording, it's always a 'from Square One'/stone-cold start every time!!

Is this too mellow?
 

Iain Churches wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
On 11/01/2010 14:01, Keith G wrote:

Righty ho, I have had a bit of a to-do with the new
computer swap over and the 'Georgia' links might have
gone missing for a while - these should work, if I
haven't cocked it all up: Original:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


EQ'd as per *free* recommendation by Arny!:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


So let's be having the 'overly mellow?' vs. 'glassy?'
votes then! :-)
It would be interesting to know what the performers think.
Intersting but irrelevant. Performers are generally too close to their
instruments to hear the same thing as their audience hears.

In this case the opinion of the performers is of the greatest relevance,
as Keith's wife played the clarinet,


OK Iain, a technicality - Moira and I are 'partners' (of summat like 15
years standing, I suspect)!



and I played five of the other tracks
including the tenor saxophone solo on this title.


:-)



Keith made an admirable
job of recording the clart in the UK to a rough mix of the backing track
which I sent to him, and I assembled the whole thing, synchronised the
tracks and mixed it:)


An international *Internet Ensemble*...!!

Perhaps we could rope Laurence in on the trombone for the next one? Who
else is there who can hold a tune on an instrument?

:-)



I am tickled pink by the fact that the tenor saxophone (on a track which
you pronounced as too mellow, was recorded with a mic, which,
although you had never heard it, you stated as too bright:-)



I said as much elsewhere - goes to show what utter claptrap is paraded
as 'expertise' before this group, doesn't it?




If Keith had entitled the thread "Is this too bright?" I am sure your
reply would still have been "Yes". Damning with faint praise seems
to be one of the few things you are good at.

Well done, Arny:-)



Yep. Ole boy done good - as *usual*....

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bcoombes wrote:
Iain Churches wrote:
"bcoombes" bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote in message
o.uk...
Keith G wrote:
bcoombes wrote:
Keith G wrote:

Let's face it, you can't guarantee the ****ing silly courts won't rule
that asking questions on newsgroups constitutes a tacit offer of a
remunerated contract for 'technical services'...!!

A few years ago I'd have laughed at that suggestion and said it was
ridiculous.. but now we are living in an era where a symptom of the
general stupidity is that it's safer not to clear the snow and ice of
your
own bit of pavement in case you could be held liable if you do and there
is an accident...****ing unbelievable!

You can be held liable for *not* clearing it too, Bill.
If it is really "your bit of pavement" and not the responsibility
of the council.

I live in Helsinki. We have 30cms of snow here at the
moment. Such accidents, rare as they are, are
normally covered by household insurance policy.


Sounds like the Finns don't do 'health and safety' in the obsessive way
we do in the UK now and may even still have some 'common sense';
something which has all but disappeared here. ...****.. I seem to have
engaged grumpy old man mode..it's Keith's fault.. :)



I'm sorry - I can't help it! Try as I might to ignore *rampant
stupidity* and not get into 'grumpy mode' on a daily basis, I've usually
lost it by the time I've heard the news for the first time each day!

I blame the 'digital era'...!!

;-)

Is this too mellow?
 

On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:01:02 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

Anyway, here's the original again:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


And here's Arny's suggestion (EQ is not *my* work):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


So, it's a simple case of 'better or worse?'...??

What does the team think?


The original is definitely not mellow. The composite nature is
revealed however. Clarinet sounds roughly as one would expect but the
saxophone is rather too breathy (on axis?) for my taste. This latter
may be due to microphone positioning or the characteristic of the mic
itself, with which I'm unfamiliar. The piece comes over as being put
together, rather than existing in a natural acoustic setting.

The EQ'd version sounds awful to me. Excessive HF lift to the point
that it becomes annoying - completely destroys the musical
cohesiveness and tonality of the piece.

We all hear things differently, so my comments are purely personal
observations.

Who am I? - A retired sound recording engineer approaching his
sixties.

What was I listening on? - Playback from PC using Opticom (Fraunhofer)
mp3 codec. Monitoring via ATC SCM100A primarily, but also checked via
Rogers LS5/8 and Genelec 1031A.