"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

In the UK, Windows is mainly "sold by" the retailer/maker attitude,
"That's
what the PC comes with, Sir. It is a part of the package price. We don't
sell the hardware without it." You can perhaps choose XP rather than 7,
but what if you don't want either, or any version of Windows, but want
the hardware?

Hmm. Interesting. The situation is very different here, probably because
a variety of language versions have to be offered. So you can specify
Swedish/Danish/Norwegian/Finnish OS either XP, Vista, or 7. You can
also buy a system (at reduced cost) without an OS.
That seems a lot fairer to me.

This is veering OT, I suppose. But perhaps we can at least get a strained
link by noting that MacOS these days is in some ways a commercial BSD
distro IIUC. :-)

People's discontent with Vista has been good for Mac. Keith is one
of the many who made the change, and are now enjoying the benefits
of a stable OS, with less resemblance to a Swiss cheese and less
vulnerability to viruses.

Iain Churches wrote:

People's discontent with Vista has been good for Mac. Keith is one
of the many who made the change, and are now enjoying the benefits
of a stable OS, with less resemblance to a Swiss cheese and less
vulnerability to viruses.

I'll say a lot of nice things about the Motorola M688000 derivatives some
other day .... it appears that you have not had to support a user who
wanted to vpn into the office from his mac, a VPN client has been a part of
windows since win95, it is still experimental third party payware-add-on for
the mac.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

Iain Churches wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

In the UK, Windows is mainly "sold by" the retailer/maker attitude,
"That's
what the PC comes with, Sir. It is a part of the package price. We don't
sell the hardware without it." You can perhaps choose XP rather than 7,
but what if you don't want either, or any version of Windows, but want
the hardware?

Hmm. Interesting. The situation is very different here, probably because
a variety of language versions have to be offered. So you can specify
Swedish/Danish/Norwegian/Finnish OS either XP, Vista, or 7. You can
also buy a system (at reduced cost) without an OS.
That seems a lot fairer to me.
This is veering OT, I suppose. But perhaps we can at least get a strained
link by noting that MacOS these days is in some ways a commercial BSD
distro IIUC. :-)

People's discontent with Vista has been good for Mac. Keith is one
of the many who made the change, and are now enjoying the benefits
of a stable OS, with less resemblance to a Swiss cheese and less
vulnerability to viruses.


Indeed - we are called 'Switchers' apparently!!

I'm getting along fine, even if my 'documents folder' went *poof*
earlier today and looks like it's gone forever!!

:-)

Keith G wrote:

Iain I'm getting along fine, even if my 'documents folder' went *poof*
earlier today and looks like it's gone forever!!

It can't. What, exactly, went poof and from where? The only things that
are allowed to go poof are ones that can easily be but back.

Daniele

Keith G wrote:

I'm getting along fine, even if my 'documents folder' went *poof*
earlier today and looks like it's gone forever!!

Are you absolutely, positively certain that it hasn't just ceased being
displayed on the desktop?


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

Peter Larsen wrote:

Keith G wrote:

I'm getting along fine, even if my 'documents folder' went *poof*
earlier today and looks like it's gone forever!!

Are you absolutely, positively certain that it hasn't just ceased being
displayed on the desktop?

It's unlikely to have been there in the first place. Most likely, its
alias was dragged out of the Dock - it can just be reinstated by
dragging the Documents folder to the Dock (or perhaps it was from the
FInder window sidebar, but the same thing applies).

Daniele

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Iain Churches wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

In the UK, Windows is mainly "sold by" the retailer/maker attitude,
"That's
what the PC comes with, Sir. It is a part of the package price. We don't
sell the hardware without it." You can perhaps choose XP rather than 7,
but what if you don't want either, or any version of Windows, but want
the hardware?

Hmm. Interesting. The situation is very different here, probably because
a variety of language versions have to be offered. So you can specify
Swedish/Danish/Norwegian/Finnish OS either XP, Vista, or 7. You can
also buy a system (at reduced cost) without an OS.
That seems a lot fairer to me.
This is veering OT, I suppose. But perhaps we can at least get a
strained
link by noting that MacOS these days is in some ways a commercial BSD
distro IIUC. :-)

People's discontent with Vista has been good for Mac. Keith is one
of the many who made the change, and are now enjoying the benefits
of a stable OS, with less resemblance to a Swiss cheese and less
vulnerability to viruses.


Indeed - we are called 'Switchers' apparently!!

Or Cross-DOS ers?

D.M. Procida wrote:
Peter Larsen wrote:

Keith G wrote:

I'm getting along fine, even if my 'documents folder' went *poof*
earlier today and looks like it's gone forever!!
Are you absolutely, positively certain that it hasn't just ceased being
displayed on the desktop?

It's unlikely to have been there in the first place. Most likely, its
alias was dragged out of the Dock - it can just be reinstated by
dragging the Documents folder to the Dock (or perhaps it was from the
FInder window sidebar, but the same thing applies).

Daniele



OK, Daniel & Peter - here's how it went:

I was (finally) watching the 'Getting Started' tutorial and it was
showing the 'stacks' in the 'Duck' when I noticed I didn't appear to
have either the Documents Folder or the Downloads stacks where they
should have been - between the Apps Folder and the Trash Can!

So I opened up the Finder and dragged the Documents Folder thingy down
to the Duck to squeeze a *copy* of it between the Apps Folder and the
Trash Can - thinking (hoping) it would duplicate it there but, to my
horror, it went *poof* (you know - puff of smoke animation) and disappeared!

I thought 'OK it's gone in the Trash Can and went in after it. It wasn't
there! It's been missing ever since - as has the Downloads Stack, it
would seem!

At this rate, I estimate the machine will be completely empty by Easter!

:-)

Keith G wrote:

So I opened up the Finder and dragged the Documents Folder thingy down
to the Duck to squeeze a *copy* of it between the Apps Folder and the
Trash Can - thinking (hoping) it would duplicate it there but, to my
horror, it went *poof* (you know - puff of smoke animation) and disappeared!

In that case all you did was drag it out of the Dock.

Your Documents folder, like the rest of your user files, is in your Home
folder. Drag it from there to the Dock.

u.comp.sys.mac is the best place to go for help.

Daniele

D.M. Procida wrote:

u.comp.sys.mac is the best place to go for help.

Or even uk.comp.sys.mac.

Daniele