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Are there any wireless headphones available that are
anwhere close to Hi-Fi? My speakers are Monitor Audio
RX6s and my Amp is a NAD 355BEE. I mainly listen to
classical

Sennheiser RS140. Highly recommended
http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/home_...dphones_009926

I have a pair, and they are IMO marginal for people with normal hearing
due to their marginal dynamic range.

From the reference above:

68 dBA

68 dB A weighted is kinda vinyl-like.

8dB better than vinly. 66 dB (A weighted) would be a
SNR twice that of vinyl. You not find many commercial
CDs with a dynamic range 70dB. And none 80dB
AFAIK.

It's easy to hook these up so that the dynamic range
is even worse - use the supplied headphone jack adaptor.

Both the mini jack ad the 1/4 adapter seem to be of
good quality. The dealer from whom I bought the
Sennheisers asked if I wanted the mini jack replaced
with a TRS. This wss done while I waited at no cost.

The OP should take a listen to the RS140s, and
decide for himself. Anyone who makes recordings
of the standard to which Arny works, can hardly be
regarded as judge of quaity:-)

Iain

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"Gordon MacPherson"
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Are there any wireless headphones available that are
anwhere close to Hi-Fi? My speakers are Monitor Audio
RX6s and my Amp is a NAD 355BEE. I mainly listen to
classical

Sennheiser RS140. Highly recommended
http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/home_...dphones_009926

I have a pair, and they are IMO marginal for people with
normal hearing due to their marginal dynamic range.

From the reference above:

68 dBA

68 dB A weighted is kinda vinyl-like.

8dB better than vinly. 66 dB (A weighted) would be a
SNR twice that of vinyl. You not find many commercial
CDs with a dynamic range 70dB. And none 80dB
AFAIK.

True as far as it goes. However, if the reproducer and the program material
each have the same dynamic range, you'll hear the noise from the reproducer
mixed with the program material. Usual rule of thumb is that you want 6-10
dB more dynamic range in the reproduction system than the program material
you are reproducing.

Here's a possible solution:

http://www.headphonesolutions.com/se...ne-system.html

Here are some relevant features:

Modulation: MSK Digital
Transducer principle: closed, dynamic
Ear coupling: circumaural ----- IOW they look more like HD280s
Frequency response: 18 - 21,000 Hz
Total harmonic distortion (THD): 0.5% (1 kHz, 100 dB SPL)
Sound pressure level (SPL): 106 dB -------- loud enough to be loud, but not
loud enough to fry your ears instantly.



It's easy to hook these up so that the dynamic range
is even worse - use the supplied headphone jack adaptor.

Both the mini jack ad the 1/4 adapter seem to be of
good quality. The dealer from whom I bought the
Sennheisers asked if I wanted the mini jack replaced
with a TRS. This wss done while I waited at no cost.

Iain, you've missed the point. Electrically the mini jack is the same as a
TRS, so that can't be an issue. The fact that you had to ask to have a minor
operation like this performed for you doesn't say a lot about your hands-on
capabilites with electronics.

The issue is a headphone jack does not put out a robust signal that is
independent of adjustments that are likely to be adjusted like the volume
control on your receiver. So, if the receiver is set for a low output, and
you jack the gain up with the gain control on the wireless headphones, the
marginal dynamic range of the headphones will lead to audible hiss. Of
course, you need normal hearing of high frequencies to hear things like
this.

The OP should take a listen to the RS140s, and
decide for himself. Anyone who makes recordings
of the standard to which Arny works, can hardly be
regarded as judge of quaity:-)

Note the prerequisite (for Iain) juvenile personal attack. Irritability like
this could be an early sign of certain mental ailments that afflict some
senior citizens.

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Arny wrote
It's easy to hook these up so that the dynamic range
is even worse - use the supplied headphone jack adaptor.

Both the mini jack ad the 1/4 adapter seem to be of
good quality. The dealer from whom I bought the
Sennheisers asked if I wanted the mini jack replaced
with a TRS. This wss done while I waited at no cost.

Iain, you've missed the point. Electrically the mini jack is the same as a
TRS, so that can't be an issue.
The fact that you had to ask to have a minor operation like this performed
for you doesn't say a lot about your hands-on capabilites with
electronics.

I stated clearly, I was asked by the dealer if I would
prefer a TRS for the same price. Only a fool would
say "No thank you", and the go home and fit one.


Iain

On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:29:32 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

Both the mini jack ad the 1/4 adapter seem to be of
good quality. The dealer from whom I bought the
Sennheisers asked if I wanted the mini jack replaced
with a TRS. This wss done while I waited at no cost.

Iain, you've missed the point. Electrically the mini jack is the same as a
TRS, so that can't be an issue.
The fact that you had to ask to have a minor operation like this performed
for you doesn't say a lot about your hands-on capabilites with
electronics.

I stated clearly, I was asked by the dealer if I would
prefer a TRS for the same price. Only a fool would
say "No thank you", and the go home and fit one.

Are you sure he didn't just attach the included 1/4" adapter? Perhaps
if you'd said you DIDN'T want it, he'd have nicked it :-)

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:29:32 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

Both the mini jack ad the 1/4 adapter seem to be of
good quality. The dealer from whom I bought the
Sennheisers asked if I wanted the mini jack replaced
with a TRS. This wss done while I waited at no cost.

Iain, you've missed the point. Electrically the mini jack is the same as
a
TRS, so that can't be an issue.
The fact that you had to ask to have a minor operation like this
performed
for you doesn't say a lot about your hands-on capabilites with
electronics.

I stated clearly, I was asked by the dealer if I would
prefer a TRS for the same price. Only a fool would
say "No thank you", and the go home and fit one.

Are you sure he didn't just attach the included 1/4" adapter?

Yes. pefectly sure. It was included in the box. A new TRS
was soldered on in its place. The mini plug with enough cable
to enable it to be resoldered was also in the box.

It is normal for workshops in this part of the world
(car repair in particular) to return repalced parts,
to show that they have indeed been changed.
You are not obliged to take them with you.


Perhaps
if you'd said you DIDN'T want it, he'd have nicked it :-)

Probably not. He values my custom.
While the TRS was being fitted, I was offered fresh
coffee and a delicious Danish pastry:-)

Iain

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Arny wrote
It's easy to hook these up so that the dynamic range
is even worse - use the supplied headphone jack
adaptor.

Both the mini jack ad the 1/4 adapter seem to be of
good quality. The dealer from whom I bought the
Sennheisers asked if I wanted the mini jack replaced
with a TRS. This wss done while I waited at no cost.

Iain, you've missed the point. Electrically the mini
jack is the same as a TRS, so that can't be an issue.
The fact that you had to ask to have a minor operation
like this performed for you doesn't say a lot about your
hands-on capabilites with electronics.

I stated clearly, I was asked by the dealer if I would
prefer a TRS for the same price. Only a fool would
say "No thank you", and the go home and fit one.

Only a fool would needlessly butcher a new piece of equipment and thereby
cancel its warranty.

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Arny wrote
It's easy to hook these up so that the dynamic range
is even worse - use the supplied headphone jack
adaptor.

Both the mini jack ad the 1/4 adapter seem to be of
good quality. The dealer from whom I bought the
Sennheisers asked if I wanted the mini jack replaced
with a TRS. This wss done while I waited at no cost.

Iain, you've missed the point. Electrically the mini
jack is the same as a TRS, so that can't be an issue.
The fact that you had to ask to have a minor operation
like this performed for you doesn't say a lot about your
hands-on capabilites with electronics.

I stated clearly, I was asked by the dealer if I would
prefer a TRS for the same price. Only a fool would
say "No thank you", and the go home and fit one.

Only a fool would needlessly butcher a new piece of equipment and thereby
cancel its warranty.



Nice volte-face, Amy (best I seen in a long while) - but what happened to
you being all ballsy and brave enough to start jacking open a 2 week old *28
day no-quibble warrantied* 650 quid Mac Mini computer....??

Bull****ter....

But this gives me an opportunity to put right a *terrible wrong*:

Mac literature will mention 'prising open the Mini computer with a putty
knife'!

*Wrong!*

What the Yanks call a putty knife is what we call a scraper - note the the
putty knife on the *right* in this pic:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...uttyKnives.jpg


(Which has been left big to show off my Centennial Harley badge :-)

Start prising with that pointy ole blade and you *will* do damage!

You have been warned - all you broken Mac Mini owners....

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Arny wrote
It's easy to hook these up so that the dynamic range
is even worse - use the supplied headphone jack
adaptor.

Both the mini jack ad the 1/4 adapter seem to be of
good quality. The dealer from whom I bought the
Sennheisers asked if I wanted the mini jack replaced
with a TRS. This wss done while I waited at no cost.

Iain, you've missed the point. Electrically the mini
jack is the same as a TRS, so that can't be an issue.
The fact that you had to ask to have a minor operation
like this performed for you doesn't say a lot about
your hands-on capabilites with electronics.

I stated clearly, I was asked by the dealer if I would
prefer a TRS for the same price. Only a fool would
say "No thank you", and the go home and fit one.

Only a fool would needlessly butcher a new piece of
equipment and thereby cancel its warranty.

Nice volte-face, Amy (best I seen in a long while) - but
what happened to you being all ballsy and brave enough to
start jacking open a 2 week old *28 day no-quibble
warrantied* 650 quid Mac Mini computer....??

For a skilled technican, there's a big difference between removing a hard
drive to scrub it, as opposed to cutting and soldering.

The key word above is "needlessly". The RS-160 comes with a perfectly
servicable TRS to 3.5 mm stereo adaptor. Cutting off the 3.5 mm connector
and replacing it with a TRS plug is all about looks, and has little to do
with function.

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Arny wrote
It's easy to hook these up so that the dynamic range
is even worse - use the supplied headphone jack
adaptor.
Both the mini jack ad the 1/4 adapter seem to be of
good quality. The dealer from whom I bought the
Sennheisers asked if I wanted the mini jack replaced
with a TRS. This wss done while I waited at no cost.
Iain, you've missed the point. Electrically the mini
jack is the same as a TRS, so that can't be an issue.
The fact that you had to ask to have a minor operation
like this performed for you doesn't say a lot about
your hands-on capabilites with electronics.
I stated clearly, I was asked by the dealer if I would
prefer a TRS for the same price. Only a fool would
say "No thank you", and the go home and fit one.
Only a fool would needlessly butcher a new piece of
equipment and thereby cancel its warranty.

Nice volte-face, Amy (best I seen in a long while) - but
what happened to you being all ballsy and brave enough to
start jacking open a 2 week old *28 day no-quibble
warrantied* 650 quid Mac Mini computer....??

For a skilled technican, there's a big difference between removing a hard
drive to scrub it, as opposed to cutting and soldering.

The key word is "needlessly".

The key word is "********".



--
Bill Coombes

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Arny wrote
It's easy to hook these up so that the dynamic range
is even worse - use the supplied headphone jack
adaptor.

Both the mini jack ad the 1/4 adapter seem to be of
good quality. The dealer from whom I bought the
Sennheisers asked if I wanted the mini jack replaced
with a TRS. This wss done while I waited at no cost.

Iain, you've missed the point. Electrically the mini
jack is the same as a TRS, so that can't be an issue.
The fact that you had to ask to have a minor operation
like this performed for you doesn't say a lot about
your hands-on capabilites with electronics.

I stated clearly, I was asked by the dealer if I would
prefer a TRS for the same price. Only a fool would
say "No thank you", and the go home and fit one.

Only a fool would needlessly butcher a new piece of
equipment and thereby cancel its warranty.

Nice volte-face, Amy (best I seen in a long while) - but
what happened to you being all ballsy and brave enough to
start jacking open a 2 week old *28 day no-quibble
warrantied* 650 quid Mac Mini computer....??

For a skilled technican, there's a big difference between removing a hard
drive to scrub it, as opposed to cutting and soldering.

The key word above is "needlessly". The RS-160 comes with a perfectly
servicable TRS to 3.5 mm stereo adaptor. Cutting off the 3.5 mm connector
and replacing it with a TRS plug is all about looks, and has little to do
with function.

The TRS adapter is push fit. They can and do get lost.
A permanently soldered TRS is much better where the
mini jack will never be required.