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Old March 18th 10, 11:35 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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The socket you refer to is an output, intended for connection to a
Creative "digital amplifier". You will probably find that one of the 3.5mm
sockets is an SPDIF output, you will need an adaptor to connect a phono
plug to that. You won't have a digital *input* on an SB card unless you
have an add-on, such as the "Live Drive" module.


Just having a quick look online, I think my card in fact is a SB Live Value.

Quote Wiki : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_Live!

Sound Blaster Live! and Live! Value
The Live! and Live! Value are the original releases of the Live! family.
The Live! Value (also known as Live! 1024) is identical to the full Live!
with the exception that it has color coded plastic connectors instead of
gold and does not include the extended digital I/O card. The original Sound
Blaster Live! had a proprietary 9-pin mini-DIN connector for digital output
that Creative referred to as the "Mini Din." This connector allowed the use
of a microphone and digital speakers at the same time. This can not be done
with the value and base models of all subsequent Creative sound cards, as
they share a single port for S/PDIF digital in/output and microphone
connectivity. The Mini-DIN connection was not included in any subsequent
Sound Blaster product, however owners of speaker systems that use this as
the only digital input may buy an adapter from Creative.


I'll have to check when I get home but I'm sure it has no digital out.


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Old March 18th 10, 01:15 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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No doubt at all in my mind, use option 1. SPDIF is far more robust on
longish runs than USB.


I'd agree. However ideally you should also take care to check that the
correct sample rate is being used and that no needless 'conversions' being
done - e.g. to alter the waveform amplitude - before it can reach the 203.


Mmmm, ?/

A little over my head there (you're talking to a vinyl perv). I will copy
all my CDs to the computer as lossless. That's all I know. The ons and
offs that the soundcard outputs is beyond me.


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Old March 18th 10, 01:33 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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David wrote:
I would like your opinions on how to go about connecting up a PC to my
pre-amp. The computer is in a different room from the amp and at the
moment I have simply connected a minijack plug from sound card (SB5.1)
to din socket on amp in next room.


I would like to improve on this and have come up with a few options and
would like your comments.


1. Get new sound card with digital out and feed coax/optical to next
room feeding Meridian 203.


2. Get new sound card with digital out and feed coax/optical to Meridian
203 then phono leads to pre-amp in next room.


3. Get new DAC with USB (Beresford?) and feed USB cable from PC to next
room feeding DAC.


Which of these do you think would be the best route or do you have any
other suggestions?


What's wrong with your existing setup? May be cheaper to sort that out.

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Old March 18th 10, 01:53 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"David Looser" wrote in message
No doubt at all in my mind, use option 1. SPDIF is far more robust on
longish runs than USB.


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
I'd agree.


Thank you, you two.
A couple of others have asked what's wrong with my existing set-up.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong, I was just thinking I may get a better
sound with my outboard DAC.

What are your twos guesses?
Do you think it's worth bothereing with?

Thank you

David


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Old March 18th 10, 02:00 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"David" wrote in message

"David Looser" wrote in
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No doubt at all in my mind, use option 1. SPDIF is far
more robust on longish runs than USB.


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
I'd agree.


Thank you, you two.
A couple of others have asked what's wrong with my
existing set-up. There is nothing fundamentally wrong, I was just thinking
I may get a better sound with my outboard DAC.

What are your twos guesses?
Do you think it's worth bothereing with?


Please watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ

Warning: My picture flashes on the screen about 45 minutes in.


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Old March 18th 10, 02:04 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
Please watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ


Will do when I get home, thank you.


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Old March 18th 10, 02:47 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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In article , David
wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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No doubt at all in my mind, use option 1. SPDIF is far more robust on
longish runs than USB.


I'd agree. However ideally you should also take care to check that the
correct sample rate is being used and that no needless 'conversions'
being done - e.g. to alter the waveform amplitude - before it can
reach the 203.


Mmmm, ?/


Some OS/Hardware combinations may work by default at *only* one sample
rate. e.g I have an ancient laptop (c10 years old) that only outputs at 48k
- i.e. *not* the 44.1k sample rate of audio CDs. So if you play a file
taken from and audio CD on that laptop via its default card it gets
converted into 48k internally before the bits pop out of the SPDIF output.

General problem here is that video DVDs and some net radios and DAB use 48k
whereas CD audio and the iPlayer use 44.1k. So you ideally need a soundcard
that will output whatever fits the source material if you want to ensure
the 203 gets the 'virgin' data stream without the computer or soundcard
messing it about.

A little over my head there (you're talking to a vinyl perv). I will
copy all my CDs to the computer as lossless. That's all I know. The
ons and offs that the soundcard outputs is beyond me.


IIRC I think you will know if you are using a Meridian 203. :-)

If it is like the 263 (and 563) I have, it has a PLL 'lock' light that only
comes on when the input is 44.1k (CD audio) rate. If that lock light
*doesn't* come on when you feed it SPDIF from your computer and the source
file is ripped from audio CD then you will know the computer (soundcard) is
furtling about with the data. That will mean the result is not identical to
when you play a CD in the conventional manner.

No idea if you will hear any difference at all. But it shouldn't be
happening. When you play a file from CD audio or iPlayer the 'lock' light
should be lit. When you play from a Video DVD it should be dark. Simple as
that.


On 18 Mar in uk.rec.audio, David wrote:
"David Looser" wrote in message
No doubt at all in my mind, use option 1. SPDIF is far more robust on
longish runs than USB.


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
I'd agree.


Thank you, you two. A couple of others have asked what's wrong with my
existing set-up. There is nothing fundamentally wrong, I was just
thinking I may get a better sound with my outboard DAC.


What are your twos guesses? Do you think it's worth bothereing with?


Can't really say from what you've written thus far. A long analog cable may
be giving you hum or some capacitive roll-away of the high treble, or some
other effect. If you haven't noticed any problems then they may be too
small to hear. But they may be big enough that you hear a difference when
you try SPDIF. So it may be fine as it is, or not. Only way to tell for
sure is to experiment.

Given you have the 203 I'd say have a go. But I'd probably do it purely out
of curiosity. No idea if it will be worth the effort/expense. Your call.
:-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Old March 18th 10, 03:18 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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In article , David
scribeth thus
"David Looser" wrote in message
No doubt at all in my mind, use option 1. SPDIF is far more robust on
longish runs than USB.


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
I'd agree.


Thank you, you two.
A couple of others have asked what's wrong with my existing set-up.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong, I was just thinking I may get a better
sound with my outboard DAC.

What are your twos guesses?
Do you think it's worth bothereing with?

Thank you

David


Well lets hope the outboard is a better product than the D-A convertors
on a Ten quid soundcard;!.

Else theres summatt rather odd going on.
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Old March 18th 10, 03:24 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
David[_2_]
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"tony sayer" wrote in message
Well lets hope the outboard is a better product than the D-A convertors
on a Ten quid soundcard;!.

Else theres summatt rather odd going on.


Precisely.


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Old March 19th 10, 07:25 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Default Computer to Pre-Amp connection query.

Also, no problems with possible clashes when two sound cards in use, and no
messing with new drivers.

Of course there are those who say that the SB cards do have issues when
converting CD 44.1 to48khz, for their internal use, but this is going to be
a kind of suck it and see one I think, and depends on where the audio comes
from etc, that you will be listening to.

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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"David" wrote in message
...
Hello,
I would like your opinions on how to go about connecting up a PC to my
pre-amp. The computer is in a different room from the amp and at the
moment I have simply connected a minijack plug from sound card (SB5.1) to
din socket on amp in next room.

I would like to improve on this and have come up with a few options and
would like your comments.

1. Get new sound card with digital out and feed coax/optical to next room
feeding Meridian 203.

2. Get new sound card with digital out and feed coax/optical to Meridian
203 then phono leads to pre-amp in next room.

3. Get new DAC with USB (Beresford?) and feed USB cable from PC to next
room feeding DAC.

Which of these do you think would be the best route or do you have any
other suggestions?

Thank you


No doubt at all in my mind, use option 1. SPDIF is far more robust on
longish runs than USB.

David.




 




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