"Bob Latham" wrote in message
I cannot say if one item is better than another. I can say I prefer the
sound of one item over another and in that context I preferred my Linn to
other TTs at the time and if I'm honest it is still in many ways nicer
sounding than CD.


I know you said that you're not continuing in this thread but just out of
curiousity Bob, which other turntables did you listen to at the time?
I'm only asking this as I never heard one in the early 70s and wondered what
you compared it against. When I first heard one was in the early 80s and
although I thought it was a great turntable, the two major competitors at
the time (in the UK) were the Roxan Zerxes and the Pink Triangle. I
prefered both of these over the LP12, which I thought was the least
transparent of the three. I never got to hear a Townshend (but have
recently bought one that needs and arm and cartridge fitting) so couldn't
include that.
I've also never heard a Garrard 301 or 401 or any of the esoteric elite
turtables but have heard a Technics SP10 and a Thorens TD125 and still think
the original PT was the one that stood and still stands out.

D

"David Looser" wrote in message
Any turntable that goes round at the right speed, with minimal speed
variation (wow) and rumble, will sound the same as any other.


Both building vibrations and air movement are chaotic, so unless you live in
a totally isolated vacuum (in which you wouldn't be able to hear anything
anyway) then no they will not.

"Keith G" wrote in message


Same thing with Bill Gates - even my sister in law's
American husband hates him and to my knowledge they've
never met!

The world is full of people who hate their betters.

It's not the man they hate, its his sucess. One word: envy.

"David Looser" wrote in
message

Well, if you equate "a predictable response from the same
gaggle of familiar names" with being a lynch mob. To me
the term "lynch mob" implies a group conspiring to
destroy their victim, and I haven't seen that, or
anything close, here.

It appears that Keith is characterizing the people on this group who unlike
him actually understand how things work as a lynch mob. I don't know how far
we want to go in the direction of talking up his pity party.

"David" wrote in message
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"Bob Latham" wrote in message
I cannot say if one item is better than another. I can say I prefer the
sound of one item over another and in that context I preferred my Linn to
other TTs at the time and if I'm honest it is still in many ways nicer
sounding than CD.


I know you said that you're not continuing in this thread but just out of
curiousity Bob, which other turntables did you listen to at the time?
I'm only asking this as I never heard one in the early 70s and wondered
what you compared it against. When I first heard one was in the early 80s
and although I thought it was a great turntable, the two major competitors
at the time (in the UK) were the Roxan Zerxes and the Pink Triangle. I
prefered both of these over the LP12, which I thought was the least
transparent of the three. I never got to hear a Townshend (but have
recently bought one that needs and arm and cartridge fitting) so couldn't
include that.
I've also never heard a Garrard 301 or 401 or any of the esoteric elite
turtables but have heard a Technics SP10 and a Thorens TD125 and still
think the original PT was the one that stood and still stands out.


Of all the turntables I have had I remember two of them which 'sounded'
particularly nice: a 'pagoda style' Systemdek with very light springing and
a Pink Triangle - LPT1, I believe it was.

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"David" wrote in message
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"Bob Latham" wrote in message
I cannot say if one item is better than another. I can say I prefer the
sound of one item over another and in that context I preferred my Linn
to
other TTs at the time and if I'm honest it is still in many ways nicer
sounding than CD.


I know you said that you're not continuing in this thread but just out of
curiousity Bob, which other turntables did you listen to at the time?
I'm only asking this as I never heard one in the early 70s and wondered
what you compared it against. When I first heard one was in the early
80s and although I thought it was a great turntable, the two major
competitors at the time (in the UK) were the Roxan Zerxes and the Pink
Triangle. I prefered both of these over the LP12, which I thought was
the least transparent of the three. I never got to hear a Townshend (but
have recently bought one that needs and arm and cartridge fitting) so
couldn't include that.
I've also never heard a Garrard 301 or 401 or any of the esoteric elite
turtables but have heard a Technics SP10 and a Thorens TD125 and still
think the original PT was the one that stood and still stands out.


Of all the turntables I have had I remember two of them which 'sounded'
particularly nice: a 'pagoda style' Systemdek with very light springing
and a Pink Triangle - LPT1, I believe it was.

Do you mean a PT1 or an LPT?
The LPT (Little Pink Thing) was an unsuspended TT competing with the like of
a Linn Basic or Rega Planar 3.
The PT1 (which was never called a PT1 but just a Pink Triangle) was the
original light weight suspended subchassis competing with the Linn.

If you mean the PT1, then yes I agree and still have one as my reference
deck, never heard a TT to match it. )
The PT2 was almost the same but with an outboard AC motor that some people
"upgraded" theirs too but a lot of people are now reverting to the original
DC motor.

I never thought much of the Systemdek that you are talking about (or the LPT
for that matter), I thought the IX was far better.

D

"David" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
Any turntable that goes round at the right speed, with minimal speed
variation (wow) and rumble, will sound the same as any other.


Both building vibrations and air movement are chaotic, so unless you live
in a totally isolated vacuum (in which you wouldn't be able to hear
anything anyway) then no they will not.

Hmm... I can see that those who live in particular places, near the top of a
tower-block or hard by a railway line or road carrying heavy traffic, might
have a problem with vibration, and that some turntables *might* react to
that better to it that others. But I cannot, for the life of me, see how air
movement can be a problem, unless you play records out of doors on a windy
day with the deck cover open.

I'd be interested in seeing your evidence that either makes an audible
difference. I'm also tempted to suggest that if either is a problem for you
try playing CDs instead ;-)

David.

"David Looser" wrote in message
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"David" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
Any turntable that goes round at the right speed, with minimal speed
variation (wow) and rumble, will sound the same as any other.


Both building vibrations and air movement are chaotic, so unless you live
in a totally isolated vacuum (in which you wouldn't be able to hear
anything anyway) then no they will not.

Hmm... I can see that those who live in particular places, near the top of
a tower-block or hard by a railway line or road carrying heavy traffic,
might have a problem with vibration, and that some turntables *might*
react to that better to it that others. But I cannot, for the life of me,
see how air movement can be a problem, unless you play records out of
doors on a windy day with the deck cover open.

I'd be interested in seeing your evidence that either makes an audible
difference. I'm also tempted to suggest that if either is a problem for
you try playing CDs instead ;-)

David.


Try turning your volume knob to number 11.

"David Looser" wrote in
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Are you seriously suggesting that using a Linn turntable
rather than a Technics one makes any difference at all to
the "dynamics, imaging and tone"?

It is possible, and some potential explanations follow.

The cartridge, and to a
lesser extent the arm will make an audible difference,
but not the turntable.

When people talk about their perceptions of differences in turntable sound
quality, they are generally talking about the entire ensemble - table, arm,
cartridge, often the whole rest of the audio system is different as well.
No way is the comparison time-synched, level-matched and bias-controlled.

Any turntable that goes round at
the right speed, with minimal speed variation (wow) and
rumble, will sound the same as any other.

Plus/minus the other system differences and other issues such as isolation
from environmental vibrations.

I'm probably the only regular poster who has done full-monte comparisons of
LP playback equipment, right down to using LPs that were fresh out of the
wrappers and had the same stamper numbers.

Do it all right and things often sound shockingly similar:

http://home.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx_phca.htm

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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I'm probably the only regular poster who has done full-monte comparisons
of LP playback equipment, right down to using LPs that were fresh out of
the wrappers and had the same stamper numbers.

Do it all right and things often sound shockingly similar:


So you admit that they don't sound the same then? Well done!