"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote:



Like I said, a cult following.

Or, "Fashion, a general term for a currently popular style or practice,
especially in clothing, foot wear or accessories."


Indeed, note the phrase "currently popular". That a shop that appeals to
a
narrow customer base sells vinyl does not mean that vinyl is "currently
popular".

That wasn't the question.

It was.

Lps are part of hipster fashion.

Are they? You have stated that a shop that sells "hipster fashion"also sells
LPs. But that doesn't necessarily mean that LPs are *part* of that fashion.
Also the origanal claim was that turntables would become "fashionable",
nothing there about "hipster fashion" (whatever that is, as far as I was
aware the word "hipster" refered to a style of jeans). Being fashionable
amongst a narrow group doesn't equal "being fashionable".

David.

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"David Looser" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Looser" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote:



Like I said, a cult following.

Or, "Fashion, a general term for a currently popular style or practice,
especially in clothing, foot wear or accessories."


Indeed, note the phrase "currently popular". That a shop that appeals to
a
narrow customer base sells vinyl does not mean that vinyl is "currently
popular".

That wasn't the question.

It was.

I was quibbling about your contention that turntables wouldn't be part
of fashion again

Lps are part of hipster fashion.

Are they? You have stated that a shop that sells "hipster fashion"also sells
LPs. But that doesn't necessarily mean that LPs are *part* of that fashion.
Also the origanal claim was that turntables would become "fashionable",
nothing there about "hipster fashion" (whatever that is, as far as I was
aware the word "hipster" refered to a style of jeans). Being fashionable
amongst a narrow group doesn't equal "being fashionable".

Your quibbles are logically valid but factually incorrect, except for
the proposition that "being fashionable" doesn't equal "being
fashionable" because of an arbitrarily exclusion.

http://www.timeout.com/london/around..._London_essent
ials.html

"When they¹re not selling their guitars to buy turntables, they¹re
selling their turntables to buy guitars * EaLo¹s hipsters are frontline
soldiers in the culture war. Look out for their American Apparel camo at
all the area¹s free gigs, basement aftershows, secret raves and
pose-friendly cafés."

Stephen

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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"When they¹re not selling their guitars to buy turntables, they¹re
selling their turntables to buy guitars * EaLo¹s hipsters are frontline
soldiers in the culture war.


This "culture war" is news to me, can you please expand a little?

Iain

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"Iain Churches" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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"When they¹re not selling their guitars to buy turntables, they¹re
selling their turntables to buy guitars * EaLo¹s hipsters are frontline
soldiers in the culture war.


This "culture war" is news to me, can you please expand a little?

I believe this is just a colorful description to dramatize the hipster
daily grind.

Stephen

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"Iain Churches" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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"When they¹re not selling their guitars to buy turntables, they¹re
selling their turntables to buy guitars * EaLo¹s hipsters are
frontline
soldiers in the culture war.


This "culture war" is news to me, can you please expand a little?

I believe this is just a colorful description to dramatize the hipster
daily grind.

I see. I don't have a clue about the modern "hipsters" but I
do know from my study of jazz, that hipster was a common term
in describing the afficionados of the new form of jazz music -
Bebop that was emerging immediately post war. It was
an exciting time in the history of music.

I can see why they like vinyl and turntables:-)

Iain

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"Iain Churches" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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"When they¹re not selling their guitars to buy turntables, they¹re
selling their turntables to buy guitars * EaLo¹s hipsters are
frontline
soldiers in the culture war.


This "culture war" is news to me, can you please expand a little?

I believe this is just a colorful description to dramatize the hipster
daily grind.

I see. I don't have a clue about the modern "hipsters" but I
do know from my study of jazz, that hipster was a common term
in describing the afficionados of the new form of jazz music -
Bebop that was emerging immediately post war. It was
an exciting time in the history of music.

I can see why they like vinyl and turntables:-)

Also highballs, hats and bowling. :-)

Stephen

"MiNe 109" wrote

Your quibbles are logically valid but factually incorrect, except for
the proposition that "being fashionable" doesn't equal "being
fashionable" because of an arbitrarily exclusion.


Vague waffle such as that does not advance your argument one iota. You will
have to explain where the "factual inaccuracies" are and where this
"arbitrarily exclusion" is to be found

http://www.timeout.com/london/around..._London_essent
ials.html

"When they¹re not selling their guitars to buy turntables, they¹re
selling their turntables to buy guitars * EaLo¹s hipsters are frontline
soldiers in the culture war. Look out for their American Apparel camo at
all the area¹s free gigs, basement aftershows, secret raves and
pose-friendly cafés."


Yet more vague waffle. what is "EaLo¹s hipsters are frontline soldiers in
the culture war" supposed to mean?

David.

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"David Looser" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote

Your quibbles are logically valid but factually incorrect, except for
the proposition that "being fashionable" doesn't equal "being
fashionable" because of an arbitrarily exclusion.


Vague waffle such as that does not advance your argument one iota. You will
have to explain where the "factual inaccuracies" are and where this
"arbitrarily exclusion" is to be found

I'd look in your own words that you just snipped. Your logical
speculations are trumped by facts. Claiming hipster fashion doesn't
count because it's really a cult is a dodge by definition.

http://www.timeout.com/london/around..._London_essent
ials.html

"When they¹re not selling their guitars to buy turntables, they¹re
selling their turntables to buy guitars * EaLo¹s hipsters are frontline
soldiers in the culture war. Look out for their American Apparel camo at
all the area¹s free gigs, basement aftershows, secret raves and
pose-friendly cafés."


Yet more vague waffle. what is "EaLo¹s hipsters are frontline soldiers in
the culture war" supposed to mean?

The meaning is not important. What is important is that there is a
hipster scene (and hipster fashion) and it includes turntables.

Your argument was that turntables won't be fashionable. I pointed out a
fashion scene that includes them. QED.

Stephen

"MiNe 109" wrote

Your argument was that turntables won't be fashionable. I pointed out a
fashion scene that includes them. QED.


And you have failed to understand the point that fashionability within a
tiny group doesn't equal "fashionable". Many things are "fashionable" within
special interest groups, doesn't make any of those things "fashionable" in
the general sense either.

BTW you haven't proved that even within this tiny group turntables are
actually "fashionable".

QED.

David

"David Looser" wrote in message
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"MiNe 109" wrote

Your argument was that turntables won't be fashionable. I pointed out a
fashion scene that includes them. QED.


And you have failed to understand the point that fashionability within a
tiny group doesn't equal "fashionable". Many things are "fashionable"
within special interest groups, doesn't make any of those things
"fashionable" in the general sense either.


Still trying to lay down the law, David? What do you mean by 'the general
sense' - I am not aware of any 'fashion' that applies to anyone outside the
select group who are interested in the 'fashion' in question.

Consider this: I have five 'hifi friends' in and just outside of this town
and they *all* have turntables and play records, so I think you could safely
say that at least as far as we are concerned the turntable is a very
fashionable item - no?

(I suspect your own 'vinyl problems' stem from the fact that you probably
don't know anyone who routinely plays records, ;-)


BTW you haven't proved that even within this tiny group turntables are
actually "fashionable".


Another 'Looser imposed condition' - when he collect that liability?

Who cares if turntables are considered 'fashionable' here or not? FWIW, this
group is the only 'place' on the planet where I experience any opposition to
the use of turntables/playing records!

And, from what I can see of it, that opposition comes from less than half a
dozen noisy individuals here - one or two of whom can become quite
hysterical with it! ;-)

QEND

LOL

OMG

TFIF

:-)