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Are you living in a time warp? What about that great post about counterfeit
Nike trainers.. giggle.

Brian

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"blue" wrote in message
o.uk...
...another week goes by without a post to uk.rec audio, aka
uk.rec.norwegian.blue
Still maybe Jimbo will post soon about the results of his harmonic
discombobulation tests on digital octifiers.



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Quad ESL2805 [was: And so...]
 

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:53:39 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:

Maybe we should do some 'blogging' more about audio. So if anyone is
interested, I've spent the morning saying a fond farewell to my
c25-year-old ESL63s and installing a new pair of 2805s as their
replacements. My main initial impressions a

Jim,

I hope that you have better luck than me! I am currently on my fourth set
of 2805s. All of them have developed internal arcing - one of the latest
pair started doing this as soon as they were installed.

Regrettably, it looks very likely that I will be going back to my forty-
year old 57s. This is a great pity because in all other respects the
2805s sound wonderful.


Chris.

And so...
 

In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
I'd love to be able compare with R3 on Freeview again. But up here in
t'frozen North the BBC have removed R3 from DVB-T in the evenings!
Fortunately, the 320k iPlayer stream is excellent.

What 'gem' are you offered in its place?

I fairly recently wanted to watch BBC1 Scotland - a play which was only on
that. So via satellite. I'd guess you could always find R3 via that too.

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf
wrote:
I'd love to be able compare with R3 on Freeview again. But up here in
t'frozen North the BBC have removed R3 from DVB-T in the evenings!
Fortunately, the 320k iPlayer stream is excellent.

What 'gem' are you offered in its place?

BBC Alba TV. i.e. a Gaelic station. One minority group TV station replacing
the bulk of the BBC's UK radio output.

This happened as a result of a 'political lobby' who want to promote Gaelic
under the banner that this is essentially a synonym with 'Scots' - which it
isn't. Most Scots speak, erm, 'Scottish' / English of various forms and
have little or no interest in Gaelic. Indeed the people I've known who are
keen Scots Nats regard Gaelic as about as relevant to modern Scotland as
Shortbread Tins and Kilts. Fine simply for easing money out of the wallets
of tourists... :-)

The BBC Trust did run a 'consultation exercise'. But there was almost no
publicity directed at those who actually listen to the BBC Radio stations
in Scotland. So - unless you were politically plugged in to the Gaelic
lobby - you would not have known. Most people didn't even know the decision
was taken.

The result was a curiously 'biassed' (in statistical terms) set of
responses. Over 40 percent of responses were from Gaelic speakers and
people seriously interested in Gaelic. ahem The figure for the general
Scots population for that is about 2 percent depending on how you define
the terms. So 20-fold over-representation. And the consultation questions
gave no real way to say "I'd like Alba Gaelic TV but *not* by sacrificing
all the normal radio." It was in essence, "That's the deal."

They also slid in the change as part of the DSO. So I suspect many people
don't even know *why* they can't now get the radio on DVB-T after the late
afternoons.

I fairly recently wanted to watch BBC1 Scotland - a play which was only
on that. So via satellite. I'd guess you could always find R3 via that
too.

Yes, you can get BBC 'sound radio' in various ways. I find the iPlayer most
convenient and the 320k aac+ R3 stream sounds excellent to me. The problem
is that some people can't get satellite or a decent net stream. And these
methods tend to require additional cost for people who just have a
terrestrial TV.

Slainte,

Jim

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Quad ESL2805 [was: And so...]
 

In article , Chris
Isbell
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:53:39 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:

Maybe we should do some 'blogging' more about audio. So if anyone is
interested, I've spent the morning saying a fond farewell to my
c25-year-old ESL63s and installing a new pair of 2805s as their
replacements. My main initial impressions a

Jim,

I hope that you have better luck than me! I am currently on my fourth
set of 2805s. All of them have developed internal arcing - one of the
latest pair started doing this as soon as they were installed.

Well, the bad news is that when I switched them on this morning one speaker
didn't power up. :-

Fuse had blown. I tried another similar fuse and this also blew. The
speakers had worked fine all yesterday.

I went direct to source and have been discussing it with Quad this morning.
I'm told that this is probably the mains transformer and a new one is on
the way. I'll know more once I've had a go at trying that. They said that
if I have any problem or doubts they'll send someone out to fix it. But -
since they know I'm an engineer who knows which end of a soldering iron
*not* to hold - it is a job I can probably sort out myself more quickly if
I prefer. If so, that suits me as it also gives me an excuse to learn a bit
about the innards. Its a chance I'd have preferred not to have needed so
soon, though... I'll decide when the transformer and info on how to do the
replacement arrive.

How did the arcing show up and what were the symptoms, etc?

I've had an assortement of repetitive clickings and buzzings at times in
the past from 63s and 988s. But this always passed after a day or two and
my understanding is that it is fairly normal. It didn't cause a shutdown or
problem beyond the faint noises when not in use.

Regrettably, it looks very likely that I will be going back to my forty-
year old 57s. This is a great pity because in all other respects the
2805s sound wonderful.

For me the worry is that I no longer have the 63s. So am now reliant on the
2805s for the main system. The 63s were showing their age in various ways.
In particular a level of hum/buzz from the speakers that had slowly been
getting louder over the last year or two. I guess various caps needed
replacement. But (perhaps unwisely) decided that after 25 years it was time
to try the new version rather than have a refurb.

Oh well, the 988s still sound good, and I can use headphones or my ancient
cone-and-box speakers (Armstrong 602s) for a while.

Slainte,

Jim

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"atriage" wrote in message
...
On 28/07/2011 23:49, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Well worth the 5 hours wait.

Obsessive examination of OT posts...You *really, really* do need to try
and find a life...get out, go for a walk...try and get your mental health
back.


It seems to me that the posters who need "to try and find a life" are those
who have never yet contributed an OT post, yet seem to feel it necessary to
criticise those who do, such as "sender" and, well, "atriage".

David.

And so...
 

On 28/07/2011 12:53, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In articlexcqdnXAjYbvjl6zTnZ2dnUVZ7qidnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk, blue
wrote:
...another week goes by without a post to uk.rec audio, aka
uk.rec.norwegian.blue

The reason is simple. To many posts which are nothing to do with audio.

Maybe we should do some 'blogging' more about audio. So if anyone is
interested, I've spent the morning saying a fond farewell to my
c25-year-old ESL63s and installing a new pair of 2805s as their
replacements. My main initial impressions a

1) gave them a quick tryout with a Proms recording (Kodaly and Bartok 1st
Piano concerto, recorded from the 320k stream a few days ago). Also as
contrast some Miles Davis from a fancy reissue of 'Kind of Blue' and the

Is that the one 'remixed on an all-tube three-track machine, an old
Presto much like the one used for the original recordings?'
At least that's what it says on my CD sleeve, and you can hear the added
distortion,
probably much more clearly on ESLs.


--
Eiron.

And so...
 

In article , Eiron
wrote:
On 28/07/2011 12:53, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In articlexcqdnXAjYbvjl6zTnZ2dnUVZ7qidnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk, blue
wrote:
...another week goes by without a post to uk.rec audio, aka
uk.rec.norwegian.blue

The reason is simple. To many posts which are nothing to do with
audio.

Maybe we should do some 'blogging' more about audio. So if anyone is
interested, I've spent the morning saying a fond farewell to my
c25-year-old ESL63s and installing a new pair of 2805s as their
replacements. My main initial impressions a

1) gave them a quick tryout with a Proms recording (Kodaly and Bartok
1st Piano concerto, recorded from the 320k stream a few days ago).
Also as contrast some Miles Davis from a fancy reissue of 'Kind of
Blue' and the

Is that the one 'remixed on an all-tube three-track machine, an old
Presto much like the one used for the original recordings?'

Dunno. Haven't seen that so maybe not. It is the box set with 2CDs, a DVD,
and a (transparent blue) Vinyl LP. Out of curiosity and for convenience I
made a 96/24 recording of the LP. Sounds OK, but has the usual 'bonuses'
for an LP. Ripple warp on the rim, some ticks and pops, and one side
clearly (pun) pressed off-center.

At least that's what it says on my CD sleeve, and you can hear the added
distortion, probably much more clearly on ESLs.

Pass on that at present for the reasons already mentioned.

Although I've also recently bought the 'All Miles' set of the 'Prestige'
albums. Some of those seem very loud and with signs of overload. However
for all I know the orginal recordings and LPs were the same...

Still, in both cases I enjoy the music.

Slainte,

Jim

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On 29/07/2011 12:43, David Looser wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 28/07/2011 23:49, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Well worth the 5 hours wait.

Obsessive examination of OT posts...You *really, really* do need to try
and find a life...get out, go for a walk...try and get your mental health
back.


It seems to me that the posters who need "to try and find a life" are those
who have never yet contributed an OT post, yet seem to feel it necessary to
criticise those who do, such as "sender" and, well, "atriage".

Well Mr Luser, you could have contributed to the on-topic part of this thread
started by Jim but of course all you really wanted to do was respond to the
troll. Like recognises like huh. And you Dave ******man, since you're reading
this (aren't you) the same applies.

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And so...
 

On 29/07/2011 09:32, Brian Gaff wrote:
Are you living in a time warp? What about that great post about counterfeit
Nike trainers.. giggle.

Lol.

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