I think it's incorrect to call these cd-like discs copy protected. Read
protected is more accurate.

It's a very strange situation - the only (legal) way for me to listen to
HTTT without clicks is to buy the cd, then throw it away and download the
mp3/ogg.

--
Jim H

"Jim H" wrote in message
news
I think it's incorrect to call these cd-like discs copy protected.
Read
protected is more accurate.

It's a very strange situation - the only (legal) way for me to listen
to
HTTT without clicks is to buy the cd, then throw it away and download
the
mp3/ogg.

Exactly how, in the eyes of the copyright cops, would what you
suggest be legal?
Surely, you would have to keep the CD as proof even if you never
actually played it.

Humm, that could be interesting - buy the CD, don't break the
cellophane, download the album from the Internet, wave two fingers at
the RIAA.



--
RobH
The future's dim, the future's mono.

just buy it then take it back saying its a faulty disc if it won't play

those in power will soon get the message

"RobH" wrote in
message ...

"Jim H" wrote in message
news
I think it's incorrect to call these cd-like discs copy protected.
Read
protected is more accurate.

It's a very strange situation - the only (legal) way for me to listen
to
HTTT without clicks is to buy the cd, then throw it away and download
the
mp3/ogg.

Exactly how, in the eyes of the copyright cops, would what you
suggest be legal?
Surely, you would have to keep the CD as proof even if you never
actually played it.

Humm, that could be interesting - buy the CD, don't break the
cellophane, download the album from the Internet, wave two fingers at
the RIAA.



--
RobH
The future's dim, the future's mono.

"Steven Templeton" wrote in message
...
just buy it then take it back saying its a faulty disc if it won't
play

those in power will soon get the message

I'm not so sure. They're simply relying on the majority of consumers not
being affected and sod the rest.


--
RobH
The future's dim, the future's mono.

"RobH" wrote in
message ...

"Steven Templeton" wrote in message
...
just buy it then take it back saying its a faulty disc if it won't
play

those in power will soon get the message

I'm not so sure. They're simply relying on the majority of consumers not
being affected and sod the rest.



¡Si, correcto!


Or, to put it another way, if 'audiophiles' (you know, the 'accuracy'
'mastertapes' and 'fidelity' boys) only buy the crap that is being pumped
out for Joe Arsehole then they have to put up with Joe Arsehole's standards
of 'acceptability'.....

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
"RobH"
wrote in
message ...

"Steven Templeton" wrote in message
...
just buy it then take it back saying its a faulty disc if it won't
play

those in power will soon get the message

I'm not so sure. They're simply relying on the majority of consumers
not
being affected and sod the rest.


¡Si, correcto!


Or, to put it another way, if 'audiophiles' (you know, the 'accuracy'
'mastertapes' and 'fidelity' boys) only buy the crap that is being
pumped
out for Joe Arsehole then they have to put up with Joe Arsehole's
standards
of 'acceptability'.....
What point are you trying to make?


--
RobH
The future's dim, the future's mono.

I'm not so sure. They're simply relying on the majority of consumers not
being affected and sod the rest.


Interestingly, the site of the company (can't find the URL now) that came
up with this copy protection technique boasts that it will 'only' cause a
1% returns rate. I suppose we can take it 1% of music buyers are either
audiophiles or tech savy.

--
Jim

"RobH" wrote in
message ...

"Steven Templeton" wrote in message
...
just buy it then take it back saying its a faulty disc if it won't
play

those in power will soon get the message

I'm not so sure. They're simply relying on the majority of consumers not
being affected and sod the rest.


EMI are quoting a returns rate of 0.02% which is certainly acceptable for
them.

Roy.

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:16:32 +0000 (UTC), RobH nospam@nospam-echo-xray-
papa-charlie-oscar-november.co.uk wrote:


Exactly how, in the eyes of the copyright cops, would what you
suggest be legal?
Surely, you would have to keep the CD as proof even if you never
actually played it.

Humm, that could be interesting - buy the CD, don't break the
cellophane, download the album from the Internet, wave two fingers at
the RIAA.

Well, most my experience with 'copyright shopping' is from software. My
statement was certainly true for software. Not certain if it's exactly the
same for music, but I'll lay down my theory...

When you buy software what you actually pay for is the right to use that
data, not the disc itself, so if you scratch the cd a lot of software
companies will send you a new one for free, or allow a download.

With an audio cd you are buying the right to listen to that music at will,
by whatever means. This is why you can legally store an mp3 on your
computer if you also have the cd. So just possession of a downloaded mp3
isn't illegal, if you have the disc. AFAIK it IS illegal for someone to
distribute (inc share on p2p) copyrighted material without permission, but
downloading from p2p is no crime - they can only get you for owning the
data without the right to do so.

It's a grey area. For example, if you buy the vinyl do you have the right
to download a digital copy for listening on your iPod? You've already paid
the artist for their effort in making the music, I don't see why not.

Ideally I'd buy most my music 'on nothing' - I'd pay some amount to the
artist/producer/promoter for their efforts but not the media it comes on,
which to me is nothing more than packaging.

I still buy vinyl for those sit back and just listen moments, because
analogue HiFi demands a physically distributed medium - long distance
transmission and home recording of analogue audio just isn't realistic.

But the distribution model for digital audio isn't comparable in these ways
- you CAN realistically transmit and record with home equipment. I can
download a 640meg wav in 2.7 hours, or the mp3 equivalent in a few minutes,
at a cost of pennies. The idea that data must be put in little boxes,
driven about in vans, and sold on expensive real estate for the transaction
to be valid is too stupid for words.

--
Jim H