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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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One of the reasons most AES members stopped taking an interest in
'analogue' is that they got very aggressive abuse from some audio
enthusiasts when they showed they doubted what some 'golden ears' and
'high end' makers claimed.


A number of long-time AES members are upset by this:

http://mhsecure.com/metric_halo/comm...onvention.html

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"Rob" wrote in message
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On 08/11/2011 22:37, Java Jive wrote:
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At the end of the day, I consider all analogue recording processes to
be obsolete, that those who prefer them are misguided (but their
preference is their own affair), and that those who claim that they
are somehow better than digital are at best deluding themselves, at
worst fraudulent, and that the wider interests of science and
technology lie in exposing these latter whenever they are encountered.

What do you mean by 'exposing'?

Many vinlyphiles and analog mavens have made erroneous claims of fact about
alleged but actually non-existent problems with digital.

How can a preference be wrong, or a lie (etc.)?

We're not talking about preferences, and the word does not appear in the
paragraph that you quoted.

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"Bob Latham" wrote in message
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I have an Arcam AV8 which can pass analogue audio through without
digitising it. It can also do the opposite and A to D then D to A. The
difference is very obvious, you couldn't miss it believe me. I'll go
futher, You would not select the converted option a second time without a
secondary reason.

OK so my AV8 is rubbish no doubt.

Maybe there is a simple level mismatch.

Ever do any measurements to see what is going on?

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bob Latham wrote:
It has been a few decades now since I compared an LP with a CD of the
same music produced by the industry. All I can say is, in every case I
did try it, I preferred LP.

Many early CDs were simply a direct copy off the master tape - but with
possibly a steeper fade at the end of a track to provide silence between
them. And I'm trying to think of one such that didn't sound a lot better
than the LP.

There were a number of CDs that sounded worse than the corresponding LPs.

Billy Joel's Nylon Curtain
Some Sheffield CDs of direct disc LPs

come quickly to mind.

In both cases the audible problems were eventually sorted out and found to
be mastering-related.

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"Rob" wrote in message
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There is a 'fact remains': some people prefer analogue reproduction of a
musical event. And the explanation as 'distortion' is not helpful, IMO.

Often it is a simple matter of sentimentality.

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"Max Demian" wrote in message
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"bugbear" wrote in message
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I haven't seen a "is vinyl magical" flamewar for ages.

Makes me almost nostalgic.

Almost.

"Valve amps better than transistors" next.

How about "horn loudspeakers better than cone speakers"?

We used to have that one imposed on us, seems like just about every week.

Then the bloke who perpetrated this weirdness died. Quite regrettable for
only other reasons.

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On 08/11/2011 18:50, David Looser wrote:
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I think it captures what's necessary. Which makes it all the more weird.
I've got a good deal of my music on a computer nowadays. I've long
forgotten which are from CD, which digitised from LP. And while at first
listen they both sound 'hifi', it's pretty obvious which is preferable.
And not just to me.


Is this another thing that could have been worded better? because it looks
like another bit of self-contradiction to me.

You've forgotten which are which, yet its obvious which is preferable?

Indeed.


Are you saying that you have both (commercial) CD and digitised vinyl versions
of the same original recording on your computer and that, although you've
forgotten which is which you know which you prefer? If you've forgotten
which is which how do you know which version you prefer?


I have quite a few digital and vinyl versions of the same song. When I
happen to check (rarely) I find the vinyl rip is preferable. I can tell
which is which by the metadata, and of course, on closer listening
background noise.

It's more obvious with playlist or random genre selection - a track will
stand out as better sounding. And it'll be, more often than not, a vinyl
rip.

I realise of course this isn't the last word in scientific rigour. Still
surprises me though.

Rob

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On 09/11/2011 14:58, Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
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There is a 'fact remains': some people prefer analogue reproduction of a
musical event. And the explanation as 'distortion' is not helpful, IMO.

Often it is a simple matter of sentimentality.


Yep, I wouldn't rule that out, at least as a significant variable.

Rob

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On 08/11/2011 11:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In raweb.com,
wrote:
However, we're discussing the experience of listening to music. One way
to explain what that experience is might be the influence of distortion.
Other ways might be harmonics, or the possible a variable that science
has yet to consider/uncover.

Generally, it's the harmonics which distortion alters.


Yes, OK, I'll obviously defer to your explanation of the technical side
of things.

There is a 'fact remains': some people prefer analogue reproduction of a
musical event. And the explanation as 'distortion' is not helpful, IMO.

Some people believe in little green men. A belief is just that.


But this (music) is a concrete and everyday experience. Little green men
aren . . . Ah. See now :-)

You have every right to say you *prefer* the distorted sound of vinyl. The
snag arrises when you or anyone else attempts to prove it does in fact
capture something of the original performance that good digital doesn't.


As you well know, not what I am doing.

Rob

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On 09/11/2011 10:11, bugbear wrote:
I haven't seen a "is vinyl magical" flamewar for ages.

Makes me almost nostalgic.

Almost.


Enough to get a record out? :-)

Rob