"J G Miller" wrote in message
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On Monday, February 13th, 2012, at 19:14:19h -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:

but did not do so well on the UHF station that was started up by a
local university, even with a UHF converter with extra amplification.

Was WTVS actually *started* by Wayne State University though?


From http://www.dptv.ORG/aboutus/history.shtml

QUOTE

Detroit Public Television (DPTV) began broadcasting in 1955 as
WTVS Channel 56, a non-commercial, educational TV station licensed
to the Detroit Educational Television Foundation.

UNQUOTE


From
http://media.wayne.EDU/2011/03/25/wayne-state-university-and-detroit-public-tv

QUOTE

In the 1950s and 1960s, Wayne State's University Television *co-produced*
educational, entertainment, and public affairs programs with DPTV.

UNQOTE

I have no information that seriously conflicts with published authorities. I
was just working off of memories of the day.

On 14/02/2012 14:37, Arny Krueger wrote:

I have no information that seriously conflicts with published authorities. I
was just working off of memories of the day.



'which' seriously conflicts
'From' memories of the day

You are welcome
Ron

On Tuesday, February 14th, 2012, at 09:37:48h -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:

I have no information that seriously conflicts with published
authorities. I was just working off of memories of the day.

Well the fact that a lot of the early programs were co-productions
with Wayne State would tend to suggest to viewers that WTVS was
started by the Wayne State it-self.

I was not able to find anything else on the web of the history
of WTVS and I wonder if some of the first board members of
Detroit Public Television were perhaps linked to WSU.

On the radio dial, as you know, WSU owns and operates WDET,
but in fact WSU did not start the station. It was originally
WUAW and started and operated by the UAW in 1948 who sold it
to WSU for USD 1 in 1952. This is the reason why WDET, although
a public station, operates on a commercial frequency 101,9 MHz
and not in the reserved public broadcasting sub-band.

So perhaps unlike other larger and more prosperous universities,
WSU did not have the resources to launch a radio station its-self
and the even higher startup costs of a TV station were just out of
the question?

Maybe you could make some inquiries with local historians?

J G Miller wrote:

On Tuesday, February 14th, 2012, at 09:37:48h -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:

? I have no information that seriously conflicts with published
? authorities. I was just working off of memories of the day.

Well the fact that a lot of the early programs were co-productions
with Wayne State would tend to suggest to viewers that WTVS was
started by the Wayne State it-self.

I was not able to find anything else on the web of the history
of WTVS and I wonder if some of the first board members of
Detroit Public Television were perhaps linked to WSU.

On the radio dial, as you know, WSU owns and operates WDET,
but in fact WSU did not start the station. It was originally
WUAW and started and operated by the UAW in 1948 who sold it
to WSU for USD 1 in 1952. This is the reason why WDET, although
a public station, operates on a commercial frequency 101,9 MHz
and not in the reserved public broadcasting sub-band.

So perhaps unlike other larger and more prosperous universities,
WSU did not have the resources to launch a radio station its-self
and the even higher startup costs of a TV station were just out of
the question?

Maybe you could make some inquiries with local historians?


Have you dug through the FCC broadcast database? There is a wealth
of data availible if you have the time to look for it.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On Tuesday, February 14th, 2012, at 11:42:42h -0500,
Michael A. Terrell asked:

Have you dug through the FCC broadcast database?

No, but a quick check now in the ownership database records
pulls up the oldest record available as being from 1979,

http://licensing.fcc.GOV/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=11068

and this only shows the applicant name Detroit Educational
Television Foundation, with no details of the managing committee.

My question related to 1955 and whether any of the management
committe of DETF were in fact from, or affliated to, Wayne State University.

J G Miller wrote:

On Tuesday, February 14th, 2012, at 11:42:42h -0500,
Michael A. Terrell asked:

? Have you dug through the FCC broadcast database?

No, but a quick check now in the ownership database records
pulls up the oldest record available as being from 1979,

?http://licensing.fcc.GOV/cgi-bin/ws....tion_id=11068?

and this only shows the applicant name Detroit Educational
Television Foundation, with no details of the managing committee.

My question related to 1955 and whether any of the management
committe of DETF were in fact from, or affliated to, Wayne State University.


All FCC records are supposed to be there, somewhere. Someone dug out
early records on WLW a while back. Has the station always had the same
call letters?


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On Tuesday, February 14th, 2012, at 12:41:25h -0500, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

All FCC records are supposed to be there, somewhere.

Supposed.

Using the search facility at

http://www.fcc.gov/data/search-gallery

returns no record before 1979 under the item

Consolidated Public Database System – Application Search Results

and no record before 2001 under the item

Consolidated Public Database System – Ownership Report Search

Has the station always had the same call letters?

To the best of my knowledge since it went on air in 1955, it
has always been WTVS

J G Miller wrote:

On Tuesday, February 14th, 2012, at 12:41:25h -0500, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

? All FCC records are supposed to be there, somewhere.

Supposed.

Using the search facility at

?http://www.fcc.gov/data/search-gallery?

returns no record before 1979 under the item

Consolidated Public Database System – Application Search Results

and no record before 2001 under the item

Consolidated Public Database System – Ownership Report Search

? Has the station always had the same call letters?

To the best of my knowledge since it went on air in 1955, it
has always been WTVS


I used to have no problem finding old records, but it looks like they
have 'downsized' the database. I can't even find the TV station I built
in Destin, Florida. That was around 1989m on Ch 58 with the call of
WMRX.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

In message , Michael A.
Terrell writes:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
[Muntz TVs]
Was it purely that they were deaf? If so, would they have been one of
the few cases where an external preamp (in the room, not masthead) was
actually useful (or were the noise figures of external preamps pretty
bad then)?


If they could have afforded a decent TV amp in the '50s or '60s, they
could have bought a better tv for less than the amp & the Muntz TV.


But if they'd already got the Muntz TV?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Intelligence isn't complete without the full picture and the full picture is
all about doubt. Otherwise, you go the way of George Bush. - baroness Eliza
Manningham-Buller (former head of MI5), Radio Times 3-9 September 2011.

In message , J G Miller
writes:
On Monday, February 13th, 2012, at 11:06:28h +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

They're lovely old posters aren't they?

You could buy the first one if you like it?

What disturbs me is the reaction from people in this newsgroup
that even though evidence is presented which clearly shows
that the term "United Nations" was in use, based upon
the Atlantic Treaty of 1941, they continue to deny the facts
because they stubbornly cling to the post-1945 United Nations
Organisation meaning of "United Nations".

What depresses rather than disturbs me is how heated some people are
getting about it: surely the _phrase_ "united nations" is one that any
politician with a bit of a feel for language might or might not have
thought of using, at any time before the organisation that now bears
that name (with capital letters) existed? Indeed, it's clear from the
existence of the posters that at least one or two did think of using it.

But why get heated about it?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Intelligence isn't complete without the full picture and the full picture is
all about doubt. Otherwise, you go the way of George Bush. - baroness Eliza
Manningham-Buller (former head of MI5), Radio Times 3-9 September 2011.