In article , Arny Krueger
writes

http://hostedmedia.reimanpub.com/TFH..._OUTLET_03.jpg

The ground wires in that picture appear to be in bare copper, borne out
by the person using a multimeter with a probe resting on the ground
wire. If so, that's pretty shoddy. What's to stop it coming into
contact with the exposed hot and neutral screws on the outlet body as
the outlet is pushed back into the box?

UK wiring regulations require earth (ground) wires to be sheathed in
green and yellow sleeving where it is exposed.

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On 06/02/2012 11:56, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In articleWdmdnffl5IsuA7DSnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews. com, Arny Krueger
writes

http://hostedmedia.reimanpub.com/TFH..._OUTLET_03.jpg

The ground wires in that picture appear to be in bare copper, borne out
by the person using a multimeter with a probe resting on the ground
wire. If so, that's pretty shoddy. What's to stop it coming into
contact with the exposed hot and neutral screws on the outlet body as
the outlet is pushed back into the box?

UK wiring regulations require earth (ground) wires to be sheathed in
green and yellow sleeving where it is exposed.


Also, the screws are pretty well recessed (on decent quality sockets
anyway) It's difficult to touch them with a finger accidentally.

ron

In article ,
Ron wrote:
Also, the screws are pretty well recessed (on decent quality sockets
anyway) It's difficult to touch them with a finger accidentally.

Yes - that was one of the things wrong with the design. The faceplate can
be removed separately - rather like grid switches in the UK. Excellent
idea for re-decorating. But having the terminals so easily touched when it
is removed just poor design.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Ron wrote:
Also, the screws are pretty well recessed (on decent quality sockets
anyway) It's difficult to touch them with a finger accidentally.

Yes - that was one of the things wrong with the design. The faceplate can
be removed separately - rather like grid switches in the UK. Excellent
idea for re-decorating. But having the terminals so easily touched when it
is removed just poor design.

Touching the terminals is not so easy, in actual use. There are only narrow
gaps around the sides of the outlet and the front of the terminals is maybe
1/4" - 3/8" back and blocked by plastic.

On 06/02/2012 12:59, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
Also, the screws are pretty well recessed (on decent quality sockets
anyway) It's difficult to touch them with a finger accidentally.

Yes - that was one of the things wrong with the design. The faceplate can
be removed separately - rather like grid switches in the UK. Excellent
idea for re-decorating. But having the terminals so easily touched when it
is removed just poor design.

Do you mean that the US style socket has a removable faceplate? UK ones
certainly don't, unless perhaps some metalclad industrial units.
With a gridswitch unit, you'd have to be pretty determined to touch a
live terminal with the faceplate off.

Ron

"Ron" wrote in message
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On 06/02/2012 12:59, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
Also, the screws are pretty well recessed (on decent quality sockets
anyway) It's difficult to touch them with a finger accidentally.

Yes - that was one of the things wrong with the design. The faceplate can
be removed separately - rather like grid switches in the UK. Excellent
idea for re-decorating. But having the terminals so easily touched when
it
is removed just poor design.

Do you mean that the US style socket has a removable faceplate?

Yes. unscrew a screw or two...

Handy when you repaint the walls.

And if you want different style wall plate front piece, they have zillions
of them.

UK ones certainly don't, unless perhaps some metalclad industrial
units.
With a gridswitch unit, you'd have to be pretty determined to touch a live
terminal with the faceplate off.

Agrees with my experiences in Germany.

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
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In article , Arny Krueger
writes

http://hostedmedia.reimanpub.com/TFH..._OUTLET_03.jpg

The ground wires in that picture appear to be in bare copper, borne out
by the person using a multimeter with a probe resting on the ground
wire.

True.

If so, that's pretty shoddy. What's to stop it coming into
contact with the exposed hot and neutral screws on the outlet body as
the outlet is pushed back into the box?

Care and skill.

UK wiring regulations require earth (ground) wires to be sheathed in
green and yellow sleeving where it is exposed.

Sounds good to me.

Arny Krueger wrote:

If so, that's pretty shoddy. What's to stop it coming into
contact with the exposed hot and neutral screws on the outlet body as
the outlet is pushed back into the box?

Care and skill.

These items are at a premium in the electrical installation industry and
are often beyond the budget of the builder.

Bill

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:

If so, that's pretty shoddy. What's to stop it coming into
contact with the exposed hot and neutral screws on the outlet body as
the outlet is pushed back into the box?

Care and skill.

These items are at a premium in the electrical installation industry and
are often beyond the budget of the builder.

Inded, my daughter remarked just yesterday that after the eecltrician had
been in to do remedial work, after a rather major building project, the
painters had to return to attend to the walls which were then covered in
greasy hand prints.

Bill

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In message , Mike Tomlinson
writes:
In article , Arny Krueger
writes

http://hostedmedia.reimanpub.com/TFH.../FH01NOV_OUTLE
T_03.jpg

The ground wires in that picture appear to be in bare copper, borne out
by the person using a multimeter with a probe resting on the ground
wire. If so, that's pretty shoddy. What's to stop it coming into
contact with the exposed hot and neutral screws on the outlet body as
the outlet is pushed back into the box?

UK wiring regulations require earth (ground) wires to be sheathed in
green and yellow sleeving where it is exposed.

I have often been puzzled by this requirement. What is the reason - just
identification of the earth wire, or something else?
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