David Looser wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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David Looser wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote

Why should items intended for ESA
earth stations need to be inspected for US use?


Where did I say that they were?

Why mention that they weren't inspected for US use if they didn't need to
be?


The hardware had to be, no matter where it was shipped to. The power
wiring had to meet the standards of where it was shipped to.


And of course they are incompatible with the US market, they are meant
meant to be compatible with a European standard, wasn't that why the
ESA specified them?


Isn't that obvious? They wanted what they are used to using.

Well I thought it was obvious, why I why I queried the fact that you
apparently thought otherwise

I'm also confused by your reference to "foreign tourists", since when
have
tourists bought earth stations?


When have you ever seen brand new, custom built US $8,000,000 earth
stations for sale at a flea market? You are in such a hurry to find
fault that you don't bother to consider the meaning of the text.

I wasn't in a "hurry" to find fault at all. I actually spent some time
reading your post trying to decipher the meaning. But since what you wrote
was so vague and confused I asked for clarification of what you actually
meant.


In that case I apologize.


'Foreign tourists' here on vacation were buying them in Florida and
taking them to Europe because they were a lot cheaper than similar items
in the UK.

You are still being vague. What foreign tourists, and what were they buying?

And finally since when have socket outlets included voltmeters?


Since China sold them.

Well OK, I've never seen one. I doubt that they conform to UK standards.


They had UK outlets, and the 'voltmeter was about 1/2" * 3/4" like the
tiny VU meters that were popular 30 years ago in battery powered tape
recorders.


I could probably go to a flea market and
take a picture of one, if you need convinced that they exist. Even
then, you would probably claim they were fakes.

You appear to think that I am deliberately finding fault with your post. I'm
not, I'm simply asking for clarification of the meaning of your vague and
confused


There are too many sub threads in this thread to keep everything
straight Is my guess. I have had so many comments challenged by o
may different people that it's hard to keep them straight. I did put a
smiley at the end of that paragraph to show I was joking about not
believing a photo.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

In message , Bill Wright
writes
Don't you have to see the whole thing as a system, with a length of
unscreened wire that had sparks at both ends?
You'll no doubt remember that spark transmitters were banned because of
the interference they caused. So whilst there will be a little r.f.
From the cables the sparks at both ends were the real culprits, but
plugs are totally enclosed by metal to ground, so it had to be the spark
between the rotor arm and the adjacent plug lead terminal in the cap,
which has no Faraday cage of any sort around it.
--
Clive

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Yes - green/red being the commonest form of colourblindness. Though
making one stripy meant anyone could get it. (A physics master - I think
it was - once told me: brown is what you'll go if you touch it,

How did that play with the negro children?

Bill

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
J G Miller wrote:
All because of the perceived need to produce weapons of mutual annihilation.


We wouldn't need to do it, if you Europeans would stop starting World
Wars.


I think you can narrow that accusation down a bit.

Bill

PS: Thanks for saving our arses.

Clive wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes
Don't you have to see the whole thing as a system, with a length of
unscreened wire that had sparks at both ends?
You'll no doubt remember that spark transmitters were banned because of
the interference they caused. So whilst there will be a little r.f.
From the cables the sparks at both ends were the real culprits, but
plugs are totally enclosed by metal to ground, so it had to be the spark
between the rotor arm and the adjacent plug lead terminal in the cap,
which has no Faraday cage of any sort around it.
As a child I used to make spark transmitters in order to wipe out local
TV and radio reception. I found that a long piece of wire attached to
the sparking circuit and held aloft greatly improved my range.

Bill

I've always wondered if somebody might have been seen furtively slipping
out of the back door of Broadcasting House that Monday afternoon before
setting off to walk down to Battersea Bridge with a box of matches in
his coat pocket ...


I wrote:

No, no, no it was hit by flying pig dung. :-)


Michael A. Terrell wrote:

I'll beleive that when pigs fly, and I'm not talking about 'PIGS IN
SPACE!!!' ;-)


Pink Floyd album cover:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pink_Floyd-Animals-Frontal.jpg

Flying pig over the Battersea Power Station.

Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM
My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-(

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...

J G Miller wrote:

All because of the perceived need to produce weapons of mutual
annihilation.


We wouldn't need to do it, if you Europeans would stop starting World
Wars.


According to the history books the US entered WW2 because it was attacked by
the Japanese. It seems that Michael A. Terrell thinks that Japan is in
Europe.

David.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote

They had UK outlets, and the 'voltmeter was about 1/2" * 3/4" like the
tiny VU meters that were popular 30 years ago in battery powered tape
recorders.


Now that I *would* like to see a photo of, because I cannot imagine what
they look like from that description. Wherabouts on the socket faceplate is
the meter fitted? You say they have UK outlets, so why are they not
available here? Why would the Chinese make UK sockets and only sell them in
Florida? it makes no sense.

I'm also still puzzled by the claim that "tourists" are buying socket
outlets in flea markets in the US to bring home with them. Socket outlets
are simply far too cheap here to make it worth the bother and expense of
purchasing with foreign currency and then having to pack in one's
weight-limited luggage.

"Look what I've brought you as a souvenir of my holiday in Florida, its a
cheaply made Chinese copy of a BS1363 outlet",

I can't see it somehow!

David.

In article , David Looser
writes


According to the history books the US entered WW2 because it was attacked by
the Japanese. It seems that Michael A. Terrell thinks that Japan is in
Europe.

Wouldn't surprise me, seeing the average American's knowledge of
geography. A very insular country.

Also, what about the current sabre-rattling over Iraq? There's some
right-wing American pols very keen on another war in the Middle East.

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In article ,
says...


I'm also still puzzled by the claim that "tourists" are buying socket
outlets in flea markets in the US to bring home with them. Socket outlets
are simply far too cheap here to make it worth the bother and expense of
purchasing with foreign currency and then having to pack in one's
weight-limited luggage.


I would agree with that but then, 'tourists' are a peculiar breed! If
they've never looked further than the local High Street or shed they
might expect to pay around £5 (or more)

http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/electrica...hite-switches-
sockets/mk_white_range/MK-Double-Socket-White-13A-9289618

or http://tinyurl.com/7fkucwo

rather than a little over a pound:

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Elec...cessories/Cont
ractors+Twin+Switched+Socket+5+Pack+Single+Pole/d190/sd2633/p33287

or http://tinyurl.com/65bp6m7

although the price in dollars - $1.85 each - looks much higher.

How cheap do they need to be to persuade 'tourists' to buy them ...?


"Look what I've brought you as a souvenir of my holiday in Florida, its a
cheaply made Chinese copy of a BS1363 outlet",


Of course it is quite likely that many that are sold in the UK also
originate in China ...!

--

Terry