In message , Bill Wright
writes
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Germany may not of had the resources, but they may of had better scientists.
They certainly were years ahead of the Allies in rocket science.
As long as we are speculating, I started this with the timing of the
US
invasion of occupied France, June 6, 1944, and saying that things would
of turned out differently if it had occured a year or two later. Care
to speculate on what the Soviet Army would of done too?

When you get the urge to write 'of', consider whether it would be
better to write 'have'. Just a friendly tip.

It wasn't a US invasion by the way. It was a United Nations invasion.

I think you're thinking of Korea. We didn't have a UN in 1944*, and the
League of Nations was, by then, defunct.
*It started in October, 1945.
--
Ian

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Germany may not of had the resources, but they may of had better
scientists.
They certainly were years ahead of the Allies in rocket science.
As long as we are speculating, I started this with the timing of the US
invasion of occupied France, June 6, 1944, and saying that things would
of turned out differently if it had occured a year or two later. Care
to speculate on what the Soviet Army would of done too?

When you get the urge to write 'of', consider whether it would be
better to write 'have'. Just a friendly tip.

It wasn't a US invasion by the way. It was a United Nations invasion.

I think you're thinking of Korea. We didn't have a UN in 1944*, and the
League of Nations was, by then, defunct.
*It started in October, 1945.

No, it was the United Nations, albeit in embryonic form. The name
'United Nations' came into being in 1942 when 'The Declaration by United
Nations' of that year was made. It was the basis of the modern UN.

Bill

In message , Bill Wright
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Germany may not of had the resources, but they may of had better
scientists.
They certainly were years ahead of the Allies in rocket science.
As long as we are speculating, I started this with the timing of the US
invasion of occupied France, June 6, 1944, and saying that things would
of turned out differently if it had occured a year or two later. Care
to speculate on what the Soviet Army would of done too?

When you get the urge to write 'of', consider whether it would be
better to write 'have'. Just a friendly tip.

It wasn't a US invasion by the way. It was a United Nations invasion.

I think you're thinking of Korea. We didn't have a UN in 1944*, and
the League of Nations was, by then, defunct.
*It started in October, 1945.

No, it was the United Nations, albeit in embryonic form. The name
'United Nations' came into being in 1942 when 'The Declaration by
United Nations' of that year was made. It was the basis of the modern UN.

Embryonic? Although "United Nations" was used in 1942 by Roosevelt, as a
body it was barely more than a twinkle in a few people's eyes.
http://www.un.org/aboutun/unhistory/
I doubt if the Americans, the British and the Canadians thought of
themselves as members of a UN force.
--
Ian

On Sunday, February 12th, 2012, at 17:29:58h +0000, Ian Jackson suggested:

I doubt if the Americans, the British and the Canadians thought of
themselves as members of a UN force.

Surely they did regard themselves as members of forces of the allies,
referred to simply as the "allied forces", and it was the allied forces
who were the boots on the ground of the United Nations in fighting the
Axis Powers.

According to http://www.historylearningsite.co.UK/united_nations.htm

QUOTE

The United Nations began life as a result of a secret meeting on board
the warship "Prince of Wales" which was moored off of the coast of
Newfoundland in August 1941. The United Nations came from a meeting
was between F D Roosevelt and Winston Churchill. At this time America
was not in World War Two though she was giving help to the Allies as a
result of Lend-Lease. Roosevelt and Churchill met to discuss what shape
the world might take once the war ended.

...

After America joined the war in December 1941, the title "United Nations"
was adopted – at the instigation of Roosevelt – by the Allies fighting
the Axis forces. The title United Nations was adopted on January 1st 1942
and was used by all those nations who were at war with the Axis.

This so-called United Nations Declaration stated that all signatories
agreed with the principles of the Atlantic Charter. Twenty-six nations signed
it in January 1942, including Britain, America, Soviet Russia and China.

These four nations were essentially a ‘Big Four.

UNQUOTE

Note that in 1941, Newfoundland was not part of the Dominion of Canada.

According to http://www.wordorigins.ORG/index.php/site/comments/united_nations/

QUOTE

Believe it or not, the term United Nations was actually coined by Franklin
Roosevelt and Winston Churchill while the British prime minister was sitting
in a bathtub.

(Churchill had the habit of thinking and writing while in the tub.)

Churchill was in Washington over the New Year’s holiday 1941-42 and the
two men were struggling with what to officially call the group of nations
that was about to sign the Atlantic Charter.

UNQUOTE

In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
After America joined the war in December 1941, the title "United
Nations" was adopted — at the instigation of Roosevelt — by the Allies
fighting the Axis forces. The title United Nations was adopted on
January 1st 1942 and was used by all those nations who were at war with
the Axis.

This so-called United Nations Declaration stated that all signatories
agreed with the principles of the Atlantic Charter. Twenty-six nations
signed it in January 1942, including Britain, America, Soviet Russia
and China.

So troops from 26 nations took part in the invasion?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
After America joined the war in December 1941, the title "United
Nations" was adopted — at the instigation of Roosevelt — by the Allies
fighting the Axis forces. The title United Nations was adopted on
January 1st 1942 and was used by all those nations who were at war with
the Axis.

This so-called United Nations Declaration stated that all signatories
agreed with the principles of the Atlantic Charter. Twenty-six nations
signed it in January 1942, including Britain, America, Soviet Russia
and China.

So troops from 26 nations took part in the invasion?

No reason why they should. 'From each according to their means...'
Isn't that what you believe in Dave?

Bill

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
After America joined the war in December 1941, the title "United
Nations" was adopted — at the instigation of Roosevelt — by the
Allies fighting the Axis forces. The title United Nations was
adopted on January 1st 1942 and was used by all those nations who
were at war with the Axis.

This so-called United Nations Declaration stated that all
signatories agreed with the principles of the Atlantic Charter.
Twenty-six nations signed it in January 1942, including Britain,
America, Soviet Russia and China.

So troops from 26 nations took part in the invasion?

No reason why they should. 'From each according to their means...'
Isn't that what you believe in Dave?

I believe in not trying to rewrite history, Bill. But I'm not surprised to
see you do it to support your opinions.

Or perhaps you'd give details of the meetings between these 'United
Nations' where the D Day landings were discussed and agreed?

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*I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.

Dave Plowman London SW
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