On 17/02/2015 7:11 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/02/2015 1:04 AM, Sumatriptan wrote:
Yesterday, I got a Dual 505 on Ebay for £77. I know there are Denons,
Thorens etc. around but I have a budget...

Here's why I chose it:

The price was right! I've seen them on sale for £120+ and another Dual
505 on Ebay for 'spares or repairs' went for £60 just after I snagged
mine.

**The 505 was a disaster. You WILL be sorry. The 505-1 & 505-2 ,etc were
brilliant.

**OOps. Should read: "The 505-2 & 505-3, etc...."

There never was a 505-1. It was just the 505.

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On 16/02/2015 21:17, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/02/2015 7:11 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/02/2015 1:04 AM, Sumatriptan wrote:
Yesterday, I got a Dual 505 on Ebay for £77. I know there are Denons,
Thorens etc. around but I have a budget...

Here's why I chose it:

The price was right! I've seen them on sale for £120+ and another Dual
505 on Ebay for 'spares or repairs' went for £60 just after I snagged
mine.

**The 505 was a disaster. You WILL be sorry. The 505-1 & 505-2 ,etc were
brilliant.

**OOps. Should read: "The 505-2 & 505-3, etc...."

There never was a 505-1. It was just the 505.


Whatever, it was the first of the 505s.

As you will realise, it has a headshell adapter fitted to accomodate the
Shure cartridge.

So, why was this model 'a disaster' ?

On 17/02/2015 8:40 AM, Sumatriptan wrote:
On 16/02/2015 21:17, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/02/2015 7:11 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/02/2015 1:04 AM, Sumatriptan wrote:
Yesterday, I got a Dual 505 on Ebay for £77. I know there are Denons,
Thorens etc. around but I have a budget...

Here's why I chose it:

The price was right! I've seen them on sale for £120+ and another Dual
505 on Ebay for 'spares or repairs' went for £60 just after I snagged
mine.

**The 505 was a disaster. You WILL be sorry. The 505-1 & 505-2 ,etc were
brilliant.

**OOps. Should read: "The 505-2 & 505-3, etc...."

There never was a 505-1. It was just the 505.


Whatever, it was the first of the 505s.

As you will realise, it has a headshell adapter fitted to accomodate the
Shure cartridge.

So, why was this model 'a disaster' ?


**The headshell falls apart IN EVERY SINGLE ONE. The headshells are NLA.

Send it back.

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www.rageaudio.com.au

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On 16/02/2015 21:58, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**The headshell falls apart IN EVERY SINGLE ONE. The headshells are NLA.

Send it back.


I see people discussing fitting of CS505-3 or later headshells. (Not a
trivial task, apparently) But my understanding was that this was related
to cartridge compatibility and an alternative to the adapter kits. I
haven't seen any online info on the early ones actually falling apart.
If you could point me to such info on the mode of failure I would be
interested.

From the photos, the adapter on this CS505 does not look pretty and
must add some mass and therefore may affect performance. I'll take a
good look when it arrives.

On 17/02/2015 10:28, Sumatriptan wrote:
On 16/02/2015 21:58, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**The headshell falls apart IN EVERY SINGLE ONE. The headshells are NLA.


Nonsense. I had one with near daily use for over 10 years, with and
without the 1/2" converter. Never missed a beat.

Can't speak for Antipodean imports :-)

Send it back.


I see people discussing fitting of CS505-3 or later headshells. (Not a
trivial task, apparently) But my understanding was that this was related
to cartridge compatibility and an alternative to the adapter kits. I
haven't seen any online info on the early ones actually falling apart.
If you could point me to such info on the mode of failure I would be
interested.


Don't hold your breath :-)

From the photos, the adapter on this CS505 does not look pretty and
must add some mass and therefore may affect performance. I'll take a
good look when it arrives.

It looks a little clumsy but works surprisingly well - and adds
considerable versatility, of course.

I like the Dual 505. A big thing for me is speed stability, and I found
the Dual good for a belt drive. The best I found was a Pink Triangle LPT
- which considering the Heath Robinson appearance I found amazing.

I use an old Technics 1200 at the moment - very pleased.

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Cheers, Rob

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On 17/02/2015 10:28, Sumatriptan wrote:
On 16/02/2015 21:58, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**The headshell falls apart IN EVERY SINGLE ONE. The headshells are
NLA.


Nonsense. I had one with near daily use for over 10 years, with and
without the 1/2" converter. Never missed a beat.

Can't speak for Antipodean imports :-)

Send it back.


I see people discussing fitting of CS505-3 or later headshells. (Not a
trivial task, apparently) But my understanding was that this was related
to cartridge compatibility and an alternative to the adapter kits. I
haven't seen any online info on the early ones actually falling apart.
If you could point me to such info on the mode of failure I would be
interested.


Don't hold your breath :-)

From the photos, the adapter on this CS505 does not look pretty and
must add some mass and therefore may affect performance. I'll take a
good look when it arrives.

It looks a little clumsy but works surprisingly well - and adds
considerable versatility, of course.

I like the Dual 505. A big thing for me is speed stability, and I found
the Dual good for a belt drive. The best I found was a Pink Triangle LPT -
which considering the Heath Robinson appearance I found amazing.

I use an old Technics 1200 at the moment - very pleased.


I'm down to one Pink Triangle now (PT1) and a Townshend Rock. I still think
the PT sounds considerably better than a seriously upgraded LP12.
What arm have you got on your SL1200?

--
David

On 18/02/2015 09:16, David B wrote:
"RJH" wrote in message
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On 17/02/2015 10:28, Sumatriptan wrote:
On 16/02/2015 21:58, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**The headshell falls apart IN EVERY SINGLE ONE. The headshells are
NLA.


Nonsense. I had one with near daily use for over 10 years, with and
without the 1/2" converter. Never missed a beat.

Can't speak for Antipodean imports :-)

Send it back.


I see people discussing fitting of CS505-3 or later headshells. (Not a
trivial task, apparently) But my understanding was that this was
related
to cartridge compatibility and an alternative to the adapter kits. I
haven't seen any online info on the early ones actually falling apart.
If you could point me to such info on the mode of failure I would be
interested.


Don't hold your breath :-)

From the photos, the adapter on this CS505 does not look pretty and
must add some mass and therefore may affect performance. I'll take a
good look when it arrives.

It looks a little clumsy but works surprisingly well - and adds
considerable versatility, of course.

I like the Dual 505. A big thing for me is speed stability, and I
found the Dual good for a belt drive. The best I found was a Pink
Triangle LPT - which considering the Heath Robinson appearance I found
amazing.

I use an old Technics 1200 at the moment - very pleased.


I'm down to one Pink Triangle now (PT1) and a Townshend Rock. I still
think the PT sounds considerably better than a seriously upgraded LP12.
What arm have you got on your SL1200?


The standard arm. Seems fine with either an AT MM or MC. I did have a
1200 with an SME. TBH, can't hear much difference, but the SME looked
nicer :-)

--
Cheers, Rob

On 17/02/2015 9:28 PM, Sumatriptan wrote:
On 16/02/2015 21:58, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**The headshell falls apart IN EVERY SINGLE ONE. The headshells are NLA.

Send it back.


I see people discussing fitting of CS505-3 or later headshells. (Not a
trivial task, apparently)

**A nonsensically complicated job. Forget it.


But my understanding was that this was related
to cartridge compatibility and an alternative to the adapter kits. I
haven't seen any online info on the early ones actually falling apart.
If you could point me to such info on the mode of failure I would be
interested.

**The headshell falls apart. I suspect the plastic used is not a stable
product like ABS, but is something inferior. As for reports, just do a
search. You'll receive a large number of results.




From the photos, the adapter on this CS505 does not look pretty and
must add some mass and therefore may affect performance. I'll take a
good look when it arrives.

**Send it back. Look for a later model.


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:13:55 +1100, Trevor Wilson
wrote:

On 17/02/2015 9:28 PM, Sumatriptan wrote:
On 16/02/2015 21:58, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**The headshell falls apart IN EVERY SINGLE ONE. The headshells are NLA.

Send it back.


I see people discussing fitting of CS505-3 or later headshells. (Not a
trivial task, apparently)

**A nonsensically complicated job. Forget it.


But my understanding was that this was related
to cartridge compatibility and an alternative to the adapter kits. I
haven't seen any online info on the early ones actually falling apart.
If you could point me to such info on the mode of failure I would be
interested.

**The headshell falls apart. I suspect the plastic used is not a stable
product like ABS, but is something inferior. As for reports, just do a
search. You'll receive a large number of results.




From the photos, the adapter on this CS505 does not look pretty and
must add some mass and therefore may affect performance. I'll take a
good look when it arrives.

**Send it back. Look for a later model.

ABS is not UV stable. There is an alternative called PCABS which is
used instead.

d

On 18/02/2015 4:13 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:13:55 +1100, Trevor Wilson
wrote:

On 17/02/2015 9:28 PM, Sumatriptan wrote:
On 16/02/2015 21:58, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**The headshell falls apart IN EVERY SINGLE ONE. The headshells are NLA.

Send it back.


I see people discussing fitting of CS505-3 or later headshells. (Not a
trivial task, apparently)

**A nonsensically complicated job. Forget it.


But my understanding was that this was related
to cartridge compatibility and an alternative to the adapter kits. I
haven't seen any online info on the early ones actually falling apart.
If you could point me to such info on the mode of failure I would be
interested.

**The headshell falls apart. I suspect the plastic used is not a stable
product like ABS, but is something inferior. As for reports, just do a
search. You'll receive a large number of results.




From the photos, the adapter on this CS505 does not look pretty and
must add some mass and therefore may affect performance. I'll take a
good look when it arrives.

**Send it back. Look for a later model.

ABS is not UV stable. There is an alternative called PCABS which is
used instead.


**Thanks for that info. I thought ABS was quite stable.


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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