Trevor Wilson wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:


** Valves are made to plug into sockets for a reason ...


**On a related matter:


** I bet it is not.


I used to love speaking to customers who were
considering purchasing Brand X valve amp. When prompted, they claimed
that it came with a very generous (1, 2, 3) year warranty. "How long was
the warranty on the valves." I would ask. "Oh, 90 days." Was the usual
reply. "How much to replace all those KT88s?" "Dunno, maybe a couple of
grand."


** As if they would all fail at once after only 90 days.

**Unlikely,

** Then why post the rediculous tripe you just did.


Those same amplifiers are often supplied with a '5 year warranty'.
Since the valves are not covered, that makes the warranty virtually
worthless.

** Warranties never cover "wear and tear".

Valves inherently have a limited life and if operated near their dissipation limits a very limited one. So a 90 day warranty on them I perfectly fair.


It is a con-job.

** Not it isn't.

As are most valve amps.

** No they aren't.


Massive straw man fallacy.

The only kind of logic TW ever uses.

Still hate the Sony CDP101 - Trev ?


**The CDP101 was a pretty decent player back in 1983.

** As if a clown like you has any idea on the matter.


Imagine trying to sell a solid state amp, but only providing a 90 day
warranty on the transistors...


** Another idiotic straw man fallacy.

**Why?

** See above.

The obvious fallacy is in comparing chalk and cheese and then complaining they are not the same.


Valves are the active devices in a valve amp. Transistors are the
active devices in a solid state amp.


** And there the similarity ends.

Why should valves be excluded from
the warranty on a product?


** See above.

THAT is the real con.

** No, you are wrong.


Valve amp buyers have
been sucking up the lies for years.

** No-one has ever claimed valves last for ever or even for a long time.

But 20 years from four 12AU7s is a fair run.

I often see small valves in guitar amps that are even older and still going fine. But output valves are *consumables* and everyone knows and accepts it.

You have no actual point - as usual.


BTW: Was this line of bull**** something you dreamt up to help sell those ME piles of crap to audiophools ?

Betcha it was.


.... Phil