About a million years ago, when I worked for Marantz (Australia), I
picked up the best power amp they made in the 1970s. Only 3 were
imported into Australia out of only 300 made. So incredibly unreliable
was the Model 500, that the company refused to sell the last one in
stock, so I grabbed it. I was looking for a picture to send to a mate
and came across the best Jinlish translation I've ever seen:

http://audio-database.com/MARANTZ/amp/model500-e.html

FWIW: The fundamental problem with the Model 500, was the use of
marginally rated output devices. A small rise in mains Voltage would see
the breakdown Voltage of the output devices exceeded. Replacing with
some decent, 250 Volt, Japanese devices solved the problem.

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Well you might have transcribed it here...

I think the worst case I saw was a Pioneer receiver which kept calling a
ferrite rod am aerial a Loopstick,
and there was also a thing called a complete loading max protector. I
eventually found this amounted to an over current circuit and a relay.

Brian

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About a million years ago, when I worked for Marantz (Australia), I picked
up the best power amp they made in the 1970s. Only 3 were imported into
Australia out of only 300 made. So incredibly unreliable was the Model
500, that the company refused to sell the last one in stock, so I grabbed
it. I was looking for a picture to send to a mate and came across the best
Jinlish translation I've ever seen:

http://audio-database.com/MARANTZ/amp/model500-e.html

FWIW: The fundamental problem with the Model 500, was the use of
marginally rated output devices. A small rise in mains Voltage would see
the breakdown Voltage of the output devices exceeded. Replacing with some
decent, 250 Volt, Japanese devices solved the problem.

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www.rageaudio.com.au

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In article , Brian Gaff

wrote:
Well you might have transcribed it here...

I think the worst case I saw was a Pioneer receiver which kept calling a
ferrite rod am aerial a Loopstick, and there was also a thing called a
complete loading max protector. I eventually found this amounted to an
over current circuit and a relay.

Don't Max Protector *make* Loopstick? 8-]

Jim

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Brian Gaff wrote:


I think the worst case I saw was a Pioneer receiver which kept calling a
ferrite rod am aerial a Loopstick,

** Correct name, in my experience.

A "loopstick" is a ferrite rod antenna that replaces the old loop antenna.


and there was also a thing called a complete loading max protector. I
eventually found this amounted to an over current circuit and a relay.

** Sounds technically fine to me.



.... Phil

In message , Phil
Allison writes
Brian Gaff wrote:


I think the worst case I saw was a Pioneer receiver which kept calling a
ferrite rod am aerial a Loopstick,

** Correct name, in my experience.

A "loopstick" is a ferrite rod antenna that replaces the old loop antenna.

Indeed. It's what the Americans have always called a ferrite rod aerial
(well, at least since the 1950s).






.

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Ian

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 13:58:37 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Phil
Allison writes
Brian Gaff wrote:


I think the worst case I saw was a Pioneer receiver which kept calling a
ferrite rod am aerial a Loopstick,

** Correct name, in my experience.

A "loopstick" is a ferrite rod antenna that replaces the old loop antenna.

Indeed. It's what the Americans have always called a ferrite rod aerial
(well, at least since the 1950s).






.

That name never happened in the UK - or if it did, I never heard of
it. It doesn't make much sense either - it can't be a loop and a
stick. A loop is a very specific type of antenna.

I know about using a loop AND a stick to resolve the two possible
directions from a loop DF antenna, but that isn't what this is about.

d

In message , Don Pearce
writes
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 13:58:37 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Phil
Allison writes
Brian Gaff wrote:


I think the worst case I saw was a Pioneer receiver which kept calling a
ferrite rod am aerial a Loopstick,

** Correct name, in my experience.

A "loopstick" is a ferrite rod antenna that replaces the old loop antenna.

Indeed. It's what the Americans have always called a ferrite rod aerial
(well, at least since the 1950s).



That name never happened in the UK - or if it did, I never heard of
it. It doesn't make much sense either - it can't be a loop and a
stick.

On the contrary, it IS fairly logical. It a loop (or, more accurately,
lots of loops) of wire, wound on a ferrite stick.

A loop is a very specific type of antenna.

And so is a 'loopstick'.

I know about using a loop AND a stick to resolve the two possible
directions from a loop DF antenna, but that isn't what this is about.

Not all of what some Brits call 'crass Americanisms' are completely
crass. Some names give a fairly good description of what a device does.
For example, in the world of cable TV, a constant impedance, variable RF
attenuator acquired the name of 'varilosser'. On the other hand, a
'toob' could be anything!
--
Ian

In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:
That name never happened in the UK - or if it did, I never heard of
it. It doesn't make much sense either - it can't be a loop and a
stick.

On the contrary, it IS fairly logical. It a loop (or, more accurately,
lots of loops) of wire, wound on a ferrite stick.

Called a coil. A loop is singular.

Ferrite rod says what it is. What 'hobbyists' or other such ridiculous US
inventions decide to call such things isn't of much concern in the UK.

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*I tried to catch some fog, but I mist.*

Dave Plowman London SW
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 16:20:58 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Don Pearce
writes
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 13:58:37 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Phil
Allison writes
Brian Gaff wrote:


I think the worst case I saw was a Pioneer receiver which kept calling a
ferrite rod am aerial a Loopstick,

** Correct name, in my experience.

A "loopstick" is a ferrite rod antenna that replaces the old loop antenna.

Indeed. It's what the Americans have always called a ferrite rod aerial
(well, at least since the 1950s).



That name never happened in the UK - or if it did, I never heard of
it. It doesn't make much sense either - it can't be a loop and a
stick.

On the contrary, it IS fairly logical. It a loop (or, more accurately,
lots of loops) of wire, wound on a ferrite stick.

A loop is a very specific type of antenna.

And so is a 'loopstick'.

I know about using a loop AND a stick to resolve the two possible
directions from a loop DF antenna, but that isn't what this is about.

Not all of what some Brits call 'crass Americanisms' are completely
crass. Some names give a fairly good description of what a device does.
For example, in the world of cable TV, a constant impedance, variable RF
attenuator acquired the name of 'varilosser'. On the other hand, a
'toob' could be anything!

A loop is a specific type of antenna. It is large, and looks a little
like a tennis bat with no strings. A ferrite antenna here is called a
rod rather than a stick. Obviously it has a coil wound round it -
that's the only way to create the necessary inductance, but it doesn't
constitute a loop.It's a rod.

d

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:32:41 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Well you might have transcribed it here...

I think the worst case I saw was a Pioneer receiver which kept calling a
ferrite rod am aerial a Loopstick,
and there was also a thing called a complete loading max protector. I
eventually found this amounted to an over current circuit and a relay.


The second description is rather obtuse but the first, "Loopstick
(antenna)" to give it its full name, is pure americana. It's what the
Yanks call a "Ferrite Rod Antenna".

As per usual with yank expressions, sloppy thinking is the key to a
lot of such americanisms such as Gas(olene) and 9/11 for the month/day
date format which gifts a key date to terrorists planning major
outrages on american soil due to the american media's propensity to
describe the date as "911" (nine-eleven) thus tying it irrevocably to
the yank emergency services telephone number (911) as a perpetual
reminder in the yank public's mind every time they need to call upon
such services.

In this case, the origin is the pre-ferrite rod directional antenna
made from a loop of wire wrapped around a wooden frame (a large open
area air cored tuning coil which was, naturely, referred to as a "Loop
Antenna"[1] by all english speaking cultures.

When the more compact version of the Loop Antenna was made possible
by use of a ferrite rod core in the 60s, the yanks distinguished this
compact loop antenna from the earlier air cored designs by thinking of
the ferrite as a stick of ferrite which, in their passion for
misleadingly brief names (eg gas for gasolene), was used to create the
"Loopstick antenna" name.

We in the UK went for the more descriptive name, "Ferrite Rod
antenna" (or, more briefly, "Ferrite Rod"). Possibly more due to the
good fortune of using "Petroleum" instead of "Gasolene" our
abbreviation for petroleum became "petrol" rather than the sillier
sounding "pet". It seems we weren't so lacksadaisical with our
abbreviations as to shorten this one down to a single syllable word.

[1] UK use tends to split between 'antenna' and 'aerial', either word
can be (and is) used, depending on preference (or spelling ability :-)
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J B Good