I was just wondering how we used to get away with the switched sockets on
the back of old hi fi amps. My old Rogers has two little two pin sockets,
non shrouded, tiny pins and the construction is pretty cheap. I need one of
these as one has a chip out of its cover on one half. However I suspect they
are not made any more.


Brian

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Brian Gaff wrote:
I was just wondering how we used to get away with the switched sockets
on the back of old hi fi amps. My old Rogers has two little two pin
sockets, non shrouded, tiny pins and the construction is pretty cheap.
I need one of these as one has a chip out of its cover on one half.
However I suspect they are not made any more.

Depending on make, you might find them on Ebay.

Think the problem is these days each outlet would need to handle the
maximum the connector allows - so if IEC, 10 amps. So would mean a much
more meaty mains switch, etc. A shame in some ways as they were very
useful.

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Somebody who keeps old stuff has told me that these little plugs used to be
made by Bulgin back in the 1960s, but of course not any more. Probably cos
they might well be a death trap for modern elf and safety reasons.
Brian

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In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
I was just wondering how we used to get away with the switched sockets
on the back of old hi fi amps. My old Rogers has two little two pin
sockets, non shrouded, tiny pins and the construction is pretty cheap.
I need one of these as one has a chip out of its cover on one half.
However I suspect they are not made any more.

Depending on make, you might find them on Ebay.

Think the problem is these days each outlet would need to handle the
maximum the connector allows - so if IEC, 10 amps. So would mean a much
more meaty mains switch, etc. A shame in some ways as they were very
useful.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 19/10/2016 08:10, Brian Gaff wrote:
Somebody who keeps old stuff has told me that these little plugs used to be
made by Bulgin back in the 1960s, but of course not any more. Probably cos
they might well be a death trap for modern elf and safety reasons.
Brian

No more dangerous than modern mains connectors in most of the world.

Is it a plug or a socket you need?
How about fixing it with epoxy putty?

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Yes I'm thinking araldite at the moment. The two halves just clamp the pins
with the attacment for each wire all held together by a nut and bolt in the
middle, there are little slots where the wires run out to the top, ie no way
to secure the outer of the flex it is connected to.
Brian

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On 19/10/2016 08:10, Brian Gaff wrote:
Somebody who keeps old stuff has told me that these little plugs used to
be
made by Bulgin back in the 1960s, but of course not any more. Probably
cos
they might well be a death trap for modern elf and safety reasons.
Brian

No more dangerous than modern mains connectors in most of the world.

Is it a plug or a socket you need?
How about fixing it with epoxy putty?

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Eiron.

In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Somebody who keeps old stuff has told me that these little plugs used to
be made by Bulgin back in the 1960s, but of course not any more.
Probably cos they might well be a death trap for modern elf and safety
reasons

As some indeed were. Quad used to fit US style flat pin connectors as
outlets. Handy in that they took up little space on the rear panel.

One major problem is all domestic mains equipment has to come with a 13
amp plug fitted these days. And 13 amp sockets are rather large to fit to
an amp as a switched outlet.

Any mains outlet fitted to domestic equipment would have to comply to the
various regs - shutters etc.

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On 19/10/2016 11:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Somebody who keeps old stuff has told me that these little plugs used to
be made by Bulgin back in the 1960s, but of course not any more.
Probably cos they might well be a death trap for modern elf and safety
reasons

As some indeed were. Quad used to fit US style flat pin connectors as
outlets. Handy in that they took up little space on the rear panel.

One major problem is all domestic mains equipment has to come with a 13
amp plug fitted these days. And 13 amp sockets are rather large to fit to
an amp as a switched outlet.

Any mains outlet fitted to domestic equipment would have to comply to the
various regs - shutters etc.

Do the current regulations insist that the mains cable must be of insufficient length?
Everything I've bought recently has had a mains cable that doesn't reach from a standard
table height to a standard wall socket height. (Less than 80 cm.)

I have the old miniature Bulgin mains plug (f) and mains inlet socket (m) from a 1976 Powertran kit.
It looks safe, but you can in a matter of moments unscrew the plug and rotate it through 120 degrees,
which would be a nice practical joke....

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On 10/17/2016 07:39 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was just wondering how we used to get away with the switched sockets on
the back of old hi fi amps. My old Rogers has two little two pin sockets,
non shrouded, tiny pins and the construction is pretty cheap. I need one of
these as one has a chip out of its cover on one half. However I suspect they
are not made any more.

I've got a Yamaha surround/DSP processor/amp that is likely 10-12 years
old (eBay purchase). It has a switched mains out with quite a low
rating. The plug for that looks similarly unobtainable and I don'r
recognise the socket. So it is a feature of some newer kit as well.

The 'far too many power switches' issue was solved by one of those smart
multiway mains leads that detects the current draw on one of the sockets.

Pete

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Peter Chant wrote:
I've got a Yamaha surround/DSP processor/amp that is likely 10-12 years
old (eBay purchase). It has a switched mains out with quite a low
rating. The plug for that looks similarly unobtainable and I don'r
recognise the socket. So it is a feature of some newer kit as well.

IIRC, it's called something like a Euro facilities plug. And as you said
made from unobtanium - even when the amp was current. I did eventually
find one for mine, though.

The 'far too many power switches' issue was solved by one of those smart
multiway mains leads that detects the current draw on one of the sockets.

But they're ugly things.

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Eiron wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote:
Somebody who keeps old stuff has told me that these little plugs used to be
made by Bulgin back in the 1960s, but of course not any more. Probably cos
they might well be a death trap for modern elf and safety reasons.
Brian

No more dangerous than modern mains connectors in most of the world.

Is it a plug or a socket you need?
How about fixing it with epoxy putty?



** Looks like Brian is talking about these:

http://thumbs1.picclick.com/d/l400/p...-5amp-male.jpg


Has 2 x 5mm pins spaced about 18mm, or the equivalent in imperial.

At least it takes a tool to open one, unlike the nasty PowerCon mains connector which can come apart by twisting and with some effort be mated with the similar Speakon socket.


..... Phil