In article ,
Richard Robinson wrote:
I think so. Maybe they vary ... I finally got rid of some of my old vinyl
last year.

Bad timing with the latest vinyl 'revival' ;-)

Although I'm told many new buyers never actually play them. Purely for
display.

I've got one pal who 'got rid' of vinyl not long after CD came out. Then
went back to it after reading of a revival some years ago. Then got rid of
it again, with everything on his computer. And is now going to revive it
once more.

Perhaps I'm lucky in being too mean to discard something that still works
here. Still got working 1/4" tape, as well as LP.

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Dave Plowman (News) said:
In article ,
Richard Robinson wrote:
I think so. Maybe they vary ... I finally got rid of some of my old vinyl
last year.

Bad timing with the latest vinyl 'revival' ;-)

I don't think so, I'm happy. Insofar as it's an issue of quality, I find
44.1k 16bit stereo is good enough for my 60+yearold ears (or if it isn't, I
don't miss what I never had before. I'll settle for it), and a lot of the
rest seems to be a Fashion Thing, which never bothered me much.

(There is a remainder - I have a friend who likes little-known rock bands,
who use their gigs to sell very expensive vinyl, which she likes to buy by
way of keeping her favourite bands viable. Kind of like crowd-funding but
with a souvenir. That bit seems like a resaonable idea and I approve of it,
but it's not what happens in my musical world; nor could I afford it).

Although I'm told many new buyers never actually play them. Purely for
display.

I was brought up in the world of 'classical', and still reckon music is for
the ears, not the eyes. Stamp-collecting of sleeves is Someone Else's
Problem.

I've got one pal who 'got rid' of vinyl not long after CD came out. Then
went back to it after reading of a revival some years ago. Then got rid of
it again, with everything on his computer. And is now going to revive it
once more.

Weird.

Perhaps I'm lucky in being too mean to discard something that still works
here. Still got working 1/4" tape, as well as LP.

I was orginally driven into digitising by getting upset at the way my 20yo
cassettes were becoming unplayable. And I've ended up with everything on a
hard disk and all visible in one big list (played via a raspberry pi running
MPD, thanks to help here last year. I still haven't found the perfect
client, but gmpc works well enough). As I said, I'm happy.

I didn't get rid of all the vinyl, I kept the ones with sleevenotes
containing info I might possibly want but couldn't face typing up. They're
under a bed upstairs, because that's the only reason for keeping them (plus
sentiment, in a few cases). I certainly don't intend to keep a deck running.

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In article ,
Richard
Robinson wrote:

I was orginally driven into digitising by getting upset at the way my
20yo cassettes were becoming unplayable. And I've ended up with
everything on a hard disk and all visible in one big list (played via a
raspberry pi running MPD, thanks to help here last year. I still haven't
found the perfect client, but gmpc works well enough). As I said, I'm
happy.

I didn't get rid of all the vinyl, I kept the ones with sleevenotes
containing info I might possibly want but couldn't face typing up.
They're under a bed upstairs, because that's the only reason for keeping
them (plus sentiment, in a few cases). I certainly don't intend to keep
a deck running.

I scan the sleeves and labels. Then keep the images in the same directory
as the audio from a given item. I've noticed that Audacious will then
display a thumbnail of the LP front cover if it is given a filename like
'Cover'. I don't bother with any 'management' system I just give the files
and directories meaningful names that make clear what the content may be.

You should keep the LPs. In my view, owning them is in a sense a 'key' to
being able to play the digitised version in moral terms. And at some future
point there is a risk you'll need the LP anyway.

Jim

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On 09/01/2017 17:10, Jim Lesurf wrote:

You should keep the LPs. In my view, owning them is in a sense a 'key' to
being able to play the digitised version in moral terms. And at some future
point there is a risk you'll need the LP anyway.

I was asked to digitize some LPs recently, and after monitoring and
cleaning up
I've had enough Gilbert and Sullivan to last several lifetimes.
But the interesting thing is that the translucent EMI inner sleeves
(marked 6/80 - a date code?)
had become brittle and shattered as I removed the disc.
Perhaps it's the same strategy of built-in obsolescence that produced
foam surrounds.

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Eiron said:

But the interesting thing is that the translucent EMI inner sleeves
(marked 6/80 - a date code?) had become brittle and shattered as I removed
the disc. Perhaps it's the same strategy of built-in obsolescence that
produced foam surrounds.

It's a possible explanation, I'm not sure it's a necessary one. I had to
ditch a 30yo very good and much loved tent a couple of years back, likewise
because the (synthetic) fabric became brittle and split too badly to seem
worth fixing (or trusting). ... It could just be that decades-old synthetics
weren't perfect. Maybe "They" knew that, maybe they didn't, I don't know.
Nor do I know how long the contemporary-equivalent replacements will last.


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On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:20:15 -0600, Richard Robinson
wrote:

Eiron said:

But the interesting thing is that the translucent EMI inner sleeves
(marked 6/80 - a date code?) had become brittle and shattered as I removed
the disc. Perhaps it's the same strategy of built-in obsolescence that
produced foam surrounds.

It's a possible explanation, I'm not sure it's a necessary one. I had to
ditch a 30yo very good and much loved tent a couple of years back, likewise
because the (synthetic) fabric became brittle and split too badly to seem
worth fixing (or trusting). ... It could just be that decades-old synthetics
weren't perfect. Maybe "They" knew that, maybe they didn't, I don't know.
Nor do I know how long the contemporary-equivalent replacements will last.

Most extra-flexible plastics will suffer this fate. They are made
flexible by the inclusion of plasticisers - liquids that get between
the polymer chains and lubricate them so they slide over each other
rather than binding together. But over time they evaporate, leaving
the gaps behind, resulting in the plastic falling apart.

I think there are now plastics that are inherently flexible and should
have a much longer life.

d

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

You should keep the LPs. In my view, owning them is in a sense a 'key' to
being able to play the digitised version in moral terms. And at some
future
point there is a risk you'll need the LP anyway.

Yes indeed. Keep the LP's. A CD inlay card (and magnifying glass) is
a poor substitute for a gatefold sleeve:-)

Iain

Jim Lesurf said:
Richard Robinson wrote:

I didn't get rid of all the vinyl, I kept the ones with sleevenotes
containing info I might possibly want but couldn't face typing up.
...
You should keep the LPs. In my view, owning them is in a sense a 'key' to
being able to play the digitised version in moral terms.

Ah. I missed that point, didn't think of it. It is a point.

And at some future point there is a risk you'll need the LP anyway.

The ones I passed on were the ones where I don't foresee that. I can't see
any reason except for the sleevenote info, and they were pretty mainstream
stuff, where the info's highly likely to be available courtesy of the 'net
if I ever need it (which I don't see as particularly likely). The ones I
kept were mostly the obscurities that never made it onto CD - little 70s/80s
Swedish traditional-music labels, and the like.

The final link in my personal chain was when the price of "enough" USB
storage dropped below £50. I have a copy of Everything in my pocket.


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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html