In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
No I did not say that. I said that the last four mic preamps
did not have phatom or even a phantom indicator.
All sixteen input modules are otherwise identical.
I wondered if perhaps the last four had been used as line
feeds from another control room.There was clearly some
good reason.

Line feeds are generally line level, Iain.

The mic/line preamp on this console, like most, has a gain adjustment
from -20 to +60. 0dB is marked 0.775V Line. Then there are another
six switch positions (MIC) to +60. There is also a trim +/- 10dB.
So mics at all levels and lines feed up to +20 can be used, as on most
large music desks. Neve did something very similar.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches...Neve1073LB.jpg

Are you just reassuring yourself, Iain? You are the one who offered the
explanation of the lack of phantom on those channels being because they
were used as line inputs only.


I've no experience of budget studios, Iain.

You seem to know little about professional music
studios either:-)

Certainly not the weird ones you seem to associated with, no.

In most multritrack productions, one starts with drums,
bass, piano and acoustic guitar. So twelve mic channels
with phantom and one DI is perfect. After that, when you
start track laying you need just one or two mics.

Then stop things while you re-configure everything for the next bit.

Naturally. You can't record vocals, brass or strings in a rhythm
section set up.

Back to these tiny studios you are familiar with.

In classical recordings a Decca tree and two outriggers
(five mics in all) is perfect for an orchestra of sixty players.
With another two mics you can add a choir of 60 singers.
That's seven mics, so five channels from twelve unused.

Are you talking about multi-track or 'live' recording Iain?

In music recording "live" means "in front of an audience"

No. That would be live. Not 'live'.


You could feed each mic of the tree to its own track,
hence multitrack, if you chose.(But why would you want
to do that?) Most prefer to record such a set up in
"straight stereo"

You seem to have got that bit right at least.

In either application a console of this type is a good choice.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
No I did not say that. I said that the last four mic preamps
did not have phatom or even a phantom indicator.
All sixteen input modules are otherwise identical.
I wondered if perhaps the last four had been used as line
feeds from another control room.There was clearly some
good reason.

Line feeds are generally line level, Iain.

The mic/line preamp on this console, like most, has a gain adjustment
from -20 to +60. 0dB is marked 0.775V Line. Then there are another
six switch positions (MIC) to +60. There is also a trim +/- 10dB.
So mics at all levels and lines feed up to +20 can be used, as on most
large music desks. Neve did something very similar.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches...Neve1073LB.jpg

Are you just reassuring yourself, Iain? You are the one who offered the
explanation of the lack of phantom on those channels being because they
were used as line inputs only.

No I am pointing out that the same Mic/Line modules
can and are used for microphones or line level inputs,
something of which you did not seem aware.

My thoughts on the lack of phantom on four channel
were simply that - thoughts, and in no way does it
detract from the versatility of this fine console. It did
occur to me that perhaps the four channels were used
for original 47s and 50s permanently set up say for
strings, using their own psu's.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches...NeumannM50+PSU

Who knows?

Then stop things while you re-configure everything for the next bit.

Naturally. You can't record vocals, brass or strings in a rhythm
section set up.

Back to these tiny studios you are familiar with.

No. That's standard practice everywhere, and the
bigger the studio the longer it takes.
Studio bookings always allow for
take down and reset as needed.

Repatching the console, or resetting the
automation is quickly done, but resetting
a studio layout from say ten brass to thirty string
players takes time and has to be done properly.
Everyone ( with the possible exception of your
goodself:-) understands this.

Iain