Why Bose?
 

Once upon a time on usenet ~misfit~ wrote:
[snipped]
I see that they've sanitised their history section on their website
so that it doesn't cover much about their PA amps.
http://www.perreaux.com/about/perreaux-history
They used to have a page where they had pics from 1975, throwing one
of their Blockbuster PA amps off the roof of a single-story
commercial unit in Napier onto the concrete driveway, pics of the
dented heatsinks then pics of it powering up. It was a stunt to get
bands and hire outfits to buy their amplifiers, showing they couild
take the knocks on the road. I guess as they're chasing the big bucks
audiophool market they don't want potential buyers seeing that sort
of thing these days. I wish I'd saved that page now, I still have one
of those Blockbusters (though not in working condition.)

Also found this page while searching;
https://www.slideshare.net/PerreauxA...eshow-30645697
If I had to guess I'd say it'd been put together by Vicki ven Rooyen in
2014.

If anyone cares there are some of the pics from the lost page I mentioned
above, the crew throwing an amp off the roof, checking it out then powering
up on slide 20. "Marty" makes his first appearance on slide 40. It's a shame
that the slides aren't dated.

Reading between the lines of that slide show and going by what I remember
(and reading several cryptic comments about Peter Perreaux 'loosing the
plot') it seems that the comany went down-hill around they time they made
those fugly 'dog-bone' components. (Although I know a guy with a 'Ferrari
Red' set who loves it - and it sounds good.) It seems that during that
period they went away from their roots and started to prioritise form over
function.

Ok enough internet for now, time to warm up the soldering iron...
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Why Bose?
 

~misfit~ wrote:

---------------------


Also found this page while searching;

https://www.slideshare.net/PerreauxA...eshow-30645697


** I actually worked on a Perreaux 2200 amp once, which I assume was privately imported. Reminded me of a Phase Linear 700B a lot.

I also repaired saw a few "Rockit" SS guitar amps from NZ and a couple of license built "Fender" amps that were clones of the Fender Twin Reverb.

The oddest one has to be a NZ built clone of the Crown DC300A, brand name long forgotten. The owner had brought it and other items of NZ audio technology with him from Auckland.

Then of course there was WASP .....


..... Phil

Why Bose?
 

sunnuntai 23. heinäkuuta 2017 4.50.14 UTC+3 Phil Allison kirjoitti:
~misfit~ wrote:



** That would be the L100 "Century" - based on the similar 4310 and 4311 studio monitors.

JBL must have sold thousands of those. One still sees them in some very respectable set ups. They have a very distinctive 70's East coast sound, a bit bright for my taste.

I was offered a pristine pair just recently. The front grilles are missing but the walnut grille surrounds are there. I am wondering what they are worth. Does 650e sound reasonable??

Replacement grilles for L100 arr available on e-Bay.

Iain

Why Bose?
 

Iain Churches wrote:

---------------------------


** That would be the L100 "Century" - based on the similar 4310 and 4311 studio monitors.

JBL must have sold thousands of those.


** Allegedly over 100,000 pairs.


One still sees them in some very respectable set ups.


** Be careful who and what you respect.


They have a very distinctive 70's East coast sound,


** Err - you meant West coast ??


I was offered a pristine pair just recently.
The front grilles are missing but the walnut grille surrounds
are there. I am wondering what they are worth.
Does 650e sound reasonable??


** I would not have them in my home if you paid me.

FYI:

I was kinda forced to listen to a pair a few years back, confirming all my earlier opinions.

**** awful.



...... Phil

Why Bose?
 

sunnuntai 23. heinäkuuta 2017 11.34.37 UTC+3 Phil Allison kirjoitti:
Iain Churches wrote:

---------------------------


** That would be the L100 "Century" - based on the similar 4310 and 4311 studio monitors.

JBL must have sold thousands of those.


** Allegedly over 100,000 pairs.

That's amazing!



They have a very distinctive 70's East coast sound,


** Err - you meant West coast ??

Oops, sorry. I was in LA recently and visited a rhythm section player from the Phil Spector "Wall of Sound" Orchestra. He had gold discs lining the walls of his listening room and a pair of JBL L100 Centuries. Besides vinyl he had a lot of 38 and 19cm/s tapes, backing tracks, rough mixes etc which were of great interest.

Iain

Why Bose?
 

Iain Churches wrote:

---------------------------



** That would be the L100 "Century" - based on the similar 4310 and 4311 studio monitors.

JBL must have sold thousands of those.


** Allegedly over 100,000 pairs.

That's amazing!



They have a very distinctive 70's East coast sound,


** Err - you meant West coast ??


Oops, sorry. I was in LA recently and visited a rhythm section player
from the Phil Spector "Wall of Sound" Orchestra.


** Hope he doesn't own any hand guns ....



...... Phil

Why Bose?
 

Once upon a time on usenet Iain Churches wrote:
sunnuntai 23. heinäkuuta 2017 4.50.14 UTC+3 Phil Allison kirjoitti:
~misfit~ wrote:



** That would be the L100 "Century" - based on the similar 4310 and
4311 studio monitors.

JBL must have sold thousands of those. One still sees them in some
very respectable set ups. They have a very distinctive 70's East
coast sound, a bit bright for my taste.

I was offered a pristine pair just recently. The front grilles are
missing but the walnut grille surrounds are there. I am wondering
what they are worth. Does 650e sound reasonable??

Replacement grilles for L100 arr available on e-Bay.

As to their sound I agree with Phil, bloody awful.

When I worked with the band JBL were looked upon as the best PA *drivers*
you could get. It took me a few years (and a few dollars) after that to
realise that most of their boxed home audio products are crap. I read
somewhere that JBL stands for "Junk But Loud" and I must say that I agree
when it comes to home audio. ;)
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Why Bose?
 

In article , Iain
Churches wrote:
However, undeterred, in the next day or so the photos of me in a grass
skirt and pair of coconut shells should be released. ;-

Is the world ready for this? :-)

Well, I've given it 37 years to prepare itself... :-)

See what you think

http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/qmc3/hawaii1.html

Jim

--
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

Why Bose?
 

~misfit~ wrote:

--------------------




** That would be the L100 "Century" - based on the similar 4310 and
4311 studio monitors.

JBL must have sold thousands of those. One still sees them in some
very respectable set ups. They have a very distinctive 70's East
coast sound, a bit bright for my taste.

I was offered a pristine pair just recently. The front grilles are
missing but the walnut grille surrounds are there. I am wondering
what they are worth. Does 650e sound reasonable??

Replacement grilles for L100 arr available on e-Bay.

As to their sound I agree with Phil, bloody awful.

When I worked with the band JBL were looked upon as the best PA *drivers*
you could get. It took me a few years (and a few dollars) after that to
realise that most of their boxed home audio products are crap. I read
somewhere that JBL stands for "Junk But Loud" and I must say that I agree
when it comes to home audio. ;)



** LOL - the first time I heard "Junk, but Loud" explained was in a leading Sydney hi-fi shop called " Kent Hi-Fi " in 1971. A young Asian salesman pointed at a brightly coloured JBL box and explained what the acronym really meant so most of the room heard it - and got a big telling off from his boss !!

FYI:

JBL's component drivers for live sound use have always represented the best available and the standard to judge others by. JBL's design engineers have broken new ground over and over in this area with things like 4inch dia voice coils, rectangular section aluminium or copper wire, massive magnet structures and titanium diaphragms for horn drivers.

But mostly, and more importantly phenomenal quality control.

Damn expensive but worth it.

Like RR engines.


..... Phil

Why Bose?
 

Once upon a time on usenet Phil Allison wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:

--------------------




** That would be the L100 "Century" - based on the similar 4310 and
4311 studio monitors.

JBL must have sold thousands of those. One still sees them in some
very respectable set ups. They have a very distinctive 70's East
coast sound, a bit bright for my taste.

I was offered a pristine pair just recently. The front grilles are
missing but the walnut grille surrounds are there. I am wondering
what they are worth. Does 650e sound reasonable??

Replacement grilles for L100 arr available on e-Bay.

As to their sound I agree with Phil, bloody awful.

When I worked with the band JBL were looked upon as the best PA
*drivers* you could get. It took me a few years (and a few dollars)
after that to realise that most of their boxed home audio products
are crap. I read somewhere that JBL stands for "Junk But Loud" and I
must say that I agree when it comes to home audio. ;)



** LOL - the first time I heard "Junk, but Loud" explained was in a
leading Sydney hi-fi shop called " Kent Hi-Fi " in 1971. A young
Asian salesman pointed at a brightly coloured JBL box and explained
what the acronym really meant so most of the room heard it - and
got a big telling off from his boss !!

FYI:

JBL's component drivers for live sound use have always represented
the best available and the standard to judge others by. JBL's design
engineers have broken new ground over and over in this area with
things like 4inch dia voice coils, rectangular section aluminium or
copper wire, massive magnet structures and titanium diaphragms for
horn drivers.

But mostly, and more importantly phenomenal quality control.

Damn expensive but worth it.

Like RR engines.

Yep. I certainly had no complaints about the JBL drivers we used in live
gigs, they sounded great - which is why I bought JBL speakers for home use
initially after the band split and I stopped touring. That didn't last long.

(I'd had offers from other bands to do both mixing and lights for them over
the years but it was more than a job for me. The guys in the band were like
my brothers. You spend so much time on the road in each others pockets that
there's more to it than simply getting a pay cheque.)
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Why Bose?
 

Once upon a time on usenet Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
However, undeterred, in the next day or so the photos of me in a
grass skirt and pair of coconut shells should be released. ;-

Is the world ready for this? :-)

Well, I've given it 37 years to prepare itself... :-)

See what you think

http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/qmc3/hawaii1.html

My eyes!!!!!

Thats said I find the rest of the page very interesting. :)
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Why Bose?
 

maanantai 24. heinäkuuta 2017 3.52.04 UTC+3 ~misfit~ kirjoitti:
Once upon a time on usenet Phil Allison wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:

--------------------




** That would be the L100 "Century" - based on the similar 4310 and
4311 studio monitors.

JBL must have sold thousands of those. One still sees them in some
very respectable set ups. They have a very distinctive 70's East
coast sound, a bit bright for my taste.

I was offered a pristine pair just recently. The front grilles are
missing but the walnut grille surrounds are there. I am wondering
what they are worth. Does 650e sound reasonable??

Replacement grilles for L100 arr available on e-Bay.

As to their sound I agree with Phil, bloody awful.

When I worked with the band JBL were looked upon as the best PA
*drivers* you could get. It took me a few years (and a few dollars)
after that to realise that most of their boxed home audio products
are crap. I read somewhere that JBL stands for "Junk But Loud" and I
must say that I agree when it comes to home audio. ;)



** LOL - the first time I heard "Junk, but Loud" explained was in a
leading Sydney hi-fi shop called " Kent Hi-Fi " in 1971. A young
Asian salesman pointed at a brightly coloured JBL box and explained
what the acronym really meant so most of the room heard it - and
got a big telling off from his boss !!

FYI:

JBL's component drivers for live sound use have always represented
the best available and the standard to judge others by. JBL's design
engineers have broken new ground over and over in this area with
things like 4inch dia voice coils, rectangular section aluminium or
copper wire, massive magnet structures and titanium diaphragms for
horn drivers.

But mostly, and more importantly phenomenal quality control.

Damn expensive but worth it.

Like RR engines.

Yep. I certainly had no complaints about the JBL drivers we used in live
gigs, they sounded great - which is why I bought JBL speakers for home use
initially after the band split and I stopped touring. That didn't last long.

(I'd had offers from other bands to do both mixing and lights for them over
the years but it was more than a job for me. The guys in the band were like
my brothers. You spend so much time on the road in each others pockets that
there's more to it than simply getting a pay cheque.)

Working in/with a band is a unique experience, and the chemistry is so important. In modern big bands, it is quote common for the two tenor saxophones to sit at opposite ends of the section. This goes back to the time when in both the Elington and Basie bands, the tenors were not on talking terms:-)


I mix for a musical/theatre group. For away gigs the promoter always hires the same contractor, to supply SR and lights. It is invariably Crown driving JBL. An excellent combination.

That's how I became interested in the L100s. I collect speakers like wives and girlfriends collect shoes. I really don't think there is a speaker for all types of music, so I adopt a "horses for courses" policy.

Iain

Why Bose?
 

In article , ~misfit~
wrote:
Is the world ready for this? :-)

Well, I've given it 37 years to prepare itself... :-)

See what you think

http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/qmc3/hawaii1.html

My eyes!!!!!

(Ahem.) However now you've seen the photo you can understand why I was
unable to reject the request from the lady in question. :-)

I had to include the 'Captain Bean' photos because my ex-students kept
insisting that I did.

Thats said I find the rest of the page very interesting. :)

More when the round tuits supply permits! Two other trips to Hawai'i and
one in between to mainland USA. Hope to cover the dead body on the table,
the day the wind blew the shutters off the window, the day we had so many
earthquakes Alf had to keep making new locating pins for the telescope, the
day I saw I was going bald, etc. 8-]

My habit at the time was to write up the day's work, etc, each day. Mainly
to keep track of the work, observations, etc. But also events of various
kinds.

The snag was that for each trip I just grabbed the first notebook to hand.
As a result the details are scattered around four different books, and so
now it takes some sorting out to determine time-order. Similarly, my slides
had got jumbled from giving talks many years ago. So needed sifting and
sorting. Thank heaven Kodak used to put a processing date and number on
each slide!

Until a few weeks ago I'd have said I only took *two* trips because my
memory had conflated events. I'd not looked at the older notbooks for many
years.

Probably normal for research students/assistants but it was the busiest and
most complex period of my life. I was also still working on the Armstrong
700 amps during the same period as the Hawai'i trips and doing other
contract work. Can't imagine now, how I had the energy or stamina for all
that *and* a 'social life'! 8-]

On real regret looking though the notes is the loss of contact since then
with some who I felt very close to at the time. Reading my notes makes me
wonder how they are now and what they did after I'd left QMC. Great bunch
of people. But I still have contact with some, and hope to re-find others.

Jim

--
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

Why Bose?
 

sunnuntai 23. heinäkuuta 2017 12.18.37 UTC+3 Phil Allison kirjoitti:
Iain Churches wrote:

I was in LA recently and visited a rhythm section player
from the Phil Spector "Wall of Sound" Orchestra.


** Hope he doesn't own any hand guns ....

He probably does .. most Americans seem to.
But I went their to dinner not for pistols at thirty paces:-)

The recording scene back then in LA was amazing. There was a comparatively small group of musicians who were doing all the studio gigs. Studio time is expensive, so and by using session musicians who were very good readers, the producers could save a great deal of time and money.

These same few people, known as the First Call Crew, went from studio to studio, often five gigs a day. The bass player, a very talented lady called Carol Kaye told that in the late 60s and early 70s she was earning more than the President !

Iain

Why Bose?
 

Once upon a time on usenet Iain Churches wrote:
maanantai 24. heinäkuuta 2017 3.52.04 UTC+3 ~misfit~ kirjoitti:
Once upon a time on usenet Phil Allison wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:

--------------------




** That would be the L100 "Century" - based on the similar 4310
and 4311 studio monitors.

JBL must have sold thousands of those. One still sees them in some
very respectable set ups. They have a very distinctive 70's East
coast sound, a bit bright for my taste.

I was offered a pristine pair just recently. The front grilles are
missing but the walnut grille surrounds are there. I am wondering
what they are worth. Does 650e sound reasonable??

Replacement grilles for L100 arr available on e-Bay.

As to their sound I agree with Phil, bloody awful.

When I worked with the band JBL were looked upon as the best PA
*drivers* you could get. It took me a few years (and a few dollars)
after that to realise that most of their boxed home audio products
are crap. I read somewhere that JBL stands for "Junk But Loud" and
I must say that I agree when it comes to home audio. ;)



** LOL - the first time I heard "Junk, but Loud" explained was in a
leading Sydney hi-fi shop called " Kent Hi-Fi " in 1971. A young
Asian salesman pointed at a brightly coloured JBL box and explained
what the acronym really meant so most of the room heard it - and
got a big telling off from his boss !!

FYI:

JBL's component drivers for live sound use have always represented
the best available and the standard to judge others by. JBL's design
engineers have broken new ground over and over in this area with
things like 4inch dia voice coils, rectangular section aluminium or
copper wire, massive magnet structures and titanium diaphragms for
horn drivers.

But mostly, and more importantly phenomenal quality control.

Damn expensive but worth it.

Like RR engines.

Yep. I certainly had no complaints about the JBL drivers we used in
live gigs, they sounded great - which is why I bought JBL speakers
for home use initially after the band split and I stopped touring.
That didn't last long.

(I'd had offers from other bands to do both mixing and lights for
them over the years but it was more than a job for me. The guys in
the band were like my brothers. You spend so much time on the road
in each others pockets that there's more to it than simply getting a
pay cheque.)

Working in/with a band is a unique experience, and the chemistry is
so important.

It is - as is the music. I got a bigger money offer from a bigger band who
we were playing support for at the time when they saw me using *their*
lighting console (which was amazing!). The trouble was I didn't like their
music much and doubt I'd be able to give my best if there was no passion in
it.

In modern big bands, it is quote common for the two
tenor saxophones to sit at opposite ends of the section. This goes
back to the time when in both the Elington and Basie bands, the
tenors were not on talking terms:-)

Heh!

I mix for a musical/theatre group. For away gigs the promoter always
hires the same contractor, to supply SR and lights. It is invariably
Crown driving JBL. An excellent combination.

That's how I became interested in the L100s. I collect speakers like
wives and girlfriends collect shoes. I really don't think there is a
speaker for all types of music, so I adopt a "horses for courses"
policy.

I've sworn I'm going to downsize my speaker collection and I will (dammit!).
I'll still probably end up keeping four or five pairs though. ;)
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Why Bose?
 

Once upon a time on usenet Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , ~misfit~
wrote:
Is the world ready for this? :-)

Well, I've given it 37 years to prepare itself... :-)

See what you think

http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/qmc3/hawaii1.html

My eyes!!!!!

(Ahem.) However now you've seen the photo you can understand why I was
unable to reject the request from the lady in question. :-)

I had to include the 'Captain Bean' photos because my ex-students kept
insisting that I did.

Thats said I find the rest of the page very interesting. :)

More when the round tuits supply permits! Two other trips to Hawai'i
and one in between to mainland USA. Hope to cover the dead body on
the table, the day the wind blew the shutters off the window, the day
we had so many earthquakes Alf had to keep making new locating pins
for the telescope, the day I saw I was going bald, etc. 8-]

My habit at the time was to write up the day's work, etc, each day.
Mainly to keep track of the work, observations, etc. But also events
of various kinds.

The snag was that for each trip I just grabbed the first notebook to
hand. As a result the details are scattered around four different
books, and so now it takes some sorting out to determine time-order.
Similarly, my slides had got jumbled from giving talks many years
ago. So needed sifting and sorting. Thank heaven Kodak used to put a
processing date and number on each slide!

Until a few weeks ago I'd have said I only took *two* trips because my
memory had conflated events. I'd not looked at the older notbooks for
many years.

Probably normal for research students/assistants but it was the
busiest and most complex period of my life. I was also still working
on the Armstrong 700 amps during the same period as the Hawai'i trips
and doing other contract work. Can't imagine now, how I had the
energy or stamina for all that *and* a 'social life'! 8-]

On real regret looking though the notes is the loss of contact since
then with some who I felt very close to at the time. Reading my notes
makes me wonder how they are now and what they did after I'd left
QMC. Great bunch of people. But I still have contact with some, and
hope to re-find others.

Be sure to keep us informed when you update. :)
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Why Bose?
 

..
But mostly, and more importantly phenomenal quality control.

Damn expensive but worth it.

Like RR engines.

Yep. I certainly had no complaints about the JBL drivers we used in live
gigs, they sounded great - which is why I bought JBL speakers for home use
initially after the band split and I stopped touring. That didn't last long.

(I'd had offers from other bands to do both mixing and lights for them over
the years but it was more than a job for me. The guys in the band were like
my brothers. You spend so much time on the road in each others pockets that
there's more to it than simply getting a pay cheque.)

Working in/with a band is a unique experience, and the chemistry is so
important. In modern big bands, it is quote common for the two tenor saxophones
to sit at opposite ends of the section. This goes back to the time when in both
the Elington and Basie bands, the tenors were not on talking terms:-)


I mix for a musical/theatre group. For away gigs the promoter always hires the
same contractor, to supply SR and lights. It is invariably Crown driving JBL.
An excellent combination.




That's how I became interested in the L100s. I collect speakers like wives and
girlfriends collect shoes.

Begs the question where do you keep them;?..

I really don't think there is a speaker for all
types of music, so I adopt a "horses for courses" policy.

Iain

Like's BBC pedigree myself;)...
--
Tony Sayer