sunnuntai 16. heinäkuuta 2017 20.49.20 UTC+3 Mike Fleming kirjoitti:
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Iain Churches writes:

sunnuntai 16. heinäkuuta 2017 15.04.09 UTC+3 Mike Fleming kirjoitti:
Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead. Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?

Remember it is not just about the speakers, but also the audio being fed to them. Small personal mics that may be fine for pop concerts probably will not do justice to Verdi. And getting your "mini-orchestra" to work for an outdoor event, is quite a challenge.

There were some front-of-stage mics for the vocals too - the vocals
had exactly the same boxy sound to them. Couldn't see how the
orchestra were mic'ed, they were tucked under an awning (kept the
blazing sun off them, the chorus and soloists were strutting their
stuff in clothing which would have kept them warm in the Arctic).

Agreed with you about Bose. In my opinion Behringer are even worse!

La Traviata is wonderful. Hopefully the poor sound reinforcement did not spoil your enjoyment.

I still enjoyed it, it was just irksome to hear the poor sound
reproduction. And given my cloth ears, it has to be pretty bad for me
to notice.

--
Mike Fleming

Generally, for open-air concerts the audio rig is rented (lights too, together with riggers and a crew) so the relative cost of Behringer and Bose is not really relevant. Someone made a poor choice, which cannot now be undone. But what you *could* do is to make your opinion known to the even't organisers,so that they will not make the same mistake again.

Like you, I play music as a hobby (big band and symphonic wind ensemble). As an audio engineer, i also mix concerts and theatre. We get plenty of feedback, most of it positive, and take it very seriously. Everyone who makes contact gets a reply, and often a pair of complimentary tickets to the next performance. Without an audience there would not be a gig.

Iain

On 16/07/2017 10:04 PM, Mike Fleming wrote:
Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead. Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?


**Last time I listened to Bose PA speakers, was at a local ski field.
The voice was clear and intelligible, the speakers were compact and easy
to move and place. All in all, an excellent choice for the job.

Oh, you're talking about music?

Bose are the absolute worst choice for music. Good for speech though.
Singing? Forget it.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

I don't know. The bbc used to use them in the old Television theatre all
those years ago. Now they were not bad, but they were kind of spacy as they
had speakers on the back as well as the front.
The acronym somebody reminded me of in another group is.
Buy Other Soud Equipment.
They have been far worse since the guy who founded the company died and the
name was sold off.
Brian

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Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead. Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?

--
Mike Fleming

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Brian Gaff wrote:
I don't know. The bbc used to use them in the old Television theatre all
those years ago. Now they were not bad, but they were kind of spacy as
they had speakers on the back as well as the front.

There was a pair of Bose slung on a catenary wire system to cover the
front of the circle. All the rest was covered by RG Jones columns. Bit of
a bodge, really. The original installation had poor coverage to the front
of the circle and stalls. Just the place important guests would sit.

These days you don't always see line source columns used for PA in a TV
studio.

Before I retired, EV units became popular. Just a conventional two driver
speaker. They sounded better than line source, and didn't seem to be any
worse in terms of separation between stage and audience area - but could
handle a great deal more level for pop etc stuff.

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