In article ,
Graeme wrote:
In message , Mike Fleming
writes

The producer of a studio creation will be trying to create the sound
he feels is ideal, so it's only polite to try to reproduce that sound
accurately.

Not sure how well I can express myself here. I think two different
experiences are being discussed. Listening to 'classical' musical, it
is the sound engineer is trying to capture that live sound, to be
reproduced at home via CD.

With 'popular' (including pop/rock/country/whatever) music is not the
opposite true? Whether we are discussing a recording made last week or
the Crystals in 1963, it is the live artist trying to reproduce the
sound record buyers hear on the LP/CD.

In other words, the 'real' sound with classical is what we hear live.
With pop, the 'real' sound is decided by the engineer.

It is in both cases.

If you were to do a rule of thumb for a classical recording with no chance
to experiment or rehearse in the venue, you'd simply sling a stereo pair
above the conductor. Since he is the one who 'engineers' the balance of
the orchestra. But that's not a place any member of the audience can hear
the work from.

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In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes:

If you were to do a rule of thumb for a classical recording with no chance
to experiment or rehearse in the venue, you'd simply sling a stereo pair
above the conductor. Since he is the one who 'engineers' the balance of
the orchestra. But that's not a place any member of the audience can hear
the work from.

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

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Mike Fleming

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:15:11 +0000, Mike Fleming
wrote:

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes:

If you were to do a rule of thumb for a classical recording with no chance
to experiment or rehearse in the venue, you'd simply sling a stereo pair
above the conductor. Since he is the one who 'engineers' the balance of
the orchestra. But that's not a place any member of the audience can hear
the work from.

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

You have this backwards. The only way to have the orchestra playing in
your sitting room is with an anechoic recording - nasty sounding
things. What they are trying to do is expand the walls of the sitting
room to match the concert hall by reproducing the acoustics of the
hall. Some of the Dolby D coverage from the RHA was not half bad at
that.

d

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On 20/11/2017 20:52, Don Pearce wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:15:11 +0000, Mike Fleming
wrote:

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes:

If you were to do a rule of thumb for a classical recording with no chance
to experiment or rehearse in the venue, you'd simply sling a stereo pair
above the conductor. Since he is the one who 'engineers' the balance of
the orchestra. But that's not a place any member of the audience can hear
the work from.

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

You have this backwards. The only way to have the orchestra playing in
your sitting room is with an anechoic recording - nasty sounding
things. What they are trying to do is expand the walls of the sitting
room to match the concert hall by reproducing the acoustics of the
hall. Some of the Dolby D coverage from the RHA was not half bad at
that.


Woosh!


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Graeme Wall
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In article ,
(Don Pearce) writes:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:15:11 +0000, Mike Fleming
wrote:

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes:

If you were to do a rule of thumb for a classical recording with no chance
to experiment or rehearse in the venue, you'd simply sling a stereo pair
above the conductor. Since he is the one who 'engineers' the balance of
the orchestra. But that's not a place any member of the audience can hear
the work from.

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

You have this backwards. The only way to have the orchestra playing in
your sitting room is with an anechoic recording - nasty sounding
things. What they are trying to do is expand the walls of the sitting
room to match the concert hall by reproducing the acoustics of the
hall. Some of the Dolby D coverage from the RHA was not half bad at
that.

Perhaps I should include this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_DptPvj7ts

And I don't think my sitting room is big enough for an orchestra to
play in it. Expanding the walls to match the concert hall would run
into issues with planning permission, and next door's side wall.

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Mike Fleming

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:36:57 +0000, Mike Fleming
wrote:

In article ,
(Don Pearce) writes:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:15:11 +0000, Mike Fleming
wrote:

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes:

If you were to do a rule of thumb for a classical recording with no chance
to experiment or rehearse in the venue, you'd simply sling a stereo pair
above the conductor. Since he is the one who 'engineers' the balance of
the orchestra. But that's not a place any member of the audience can hear
the work from.

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

You have this backwards. The only way to have the orchestra playing in
your sitting room is with an anechoic recording - nasty sounding
things. What they are trying to do is expand the walls of the sitting
room to match the concert hall by reproducing the acoustics of the
hall. Some of the Dolby D coverage from the RHA was not half bad at
that.

Perhaps I should include this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_DptPvj7ts

And I don't think my sitting room is big enough for an orchestra to
play in it. Expanding the walls to match the concert hall would run
into issues with planning permission, and next door's side wall.

Inflatable houses are the answer.

d

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Mike Fleming Moron wrote:

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And I don't think my sitting room is big enough for an orchestra to
play in it. Expanding the walls to match the concert hall would run
into issues with planning permission, and next door's side wall.



** In a heavily damped room, the lack of reverberation makes the walls seem to disappear. If you play a recording with room ambience included, that is then the only ambience you hear. The apparent "size" of your room changes with each recording.

Much the same experience is heard when listening on good headphones, except the main image is in front of you.



..... Phil

In article , Mike Fleming
wrote:

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time trying
to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in their
sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should hate more
than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

Misses a point that some of us may want to hear the "sound of the orchestra
in the *concert hall* " in our listening room - or at least as close to
that as we can get. And if - like me - you enjoy going to classical
concerts you may wish to do this. Or at least get as close to it as you
can. Something I'd love, not hate. No-one is demanding you or anyone else
*has* to want the same, though.

Jim

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On 21/11/2017 09:47, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Mike Fleming
wrote:

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time trying
to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in their
sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should hate more
than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

Misses a point that some of us may want to hear the "sound of the orchestra
in the *concert hall* " in our listening room - or at least as close to
that as we can get. And if - like me - you enjoy going to classical
concerts you may wish to do this. Or at least get as close to it as you
can. Something I'd love, not hate. No-one is demanding you or anyone else
*has* to want the same, though.


Does nobody remember A Song of Reproduction?


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Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In article , Graeme Wall
wrote:
On 21/11/2017 09:47, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Mike Fleming
wrote:

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

Misses a point that some of us may want to hear the "sound of the
orchestra in the *concert hall* " in our listening room - or at least
as close to that as we can get. And if - like me - you enjoy going to
classical concerts you may wish to do this. Or at least get as close
to it as you can. Something I'd love, not hate. No-one is demanding
you or anyone else *has* to want the same, though.


Does nobody remember A Song of Reproduction?

Yes, I've had a copy for many years. :-)

Jim

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Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html