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Do speakers deteriorate with age?



 
 
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Old February 16th 18, 08:49 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Brian Gaff
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Default Do speakers deteriorate with age?

I have a pair of Tannoy IIIlz speakers which I've used for many years and
apart from cleaning up the switches in the crossover at the back, they have
performed well. always a little on the bright side, they do seem in recent
months to be getting significantly brighter, or kind of presence heavy. I
guess it could be my ears aging but I did wonder if it might be time to
either get them tested or fixed or to just bite the bullet and buy
something more modern.
So what do people think? To me they seem to be getting to sound rather like
JBLs these days!

Brian

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Old February 16th 18, 10:19 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Yes, both the loudspeaker units and some components in a crossover may
change enough with age or use to make a noticable difference. But it might
be your ears. Only way to tell is to get speakers and / or ears checked.

Jim

In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
I have a pair of Tannoy IIIlz speakers which I've used for many years
and apart from cleaning up the switches in the crossover at the back,
they have performed well. always a little on the bright side, they do
seem in recent months to be getting significantly brighter, or kind of
presence heavy. I guess it could be my ears aging but I did wonder if it
might be time to either get them tested or fixed or to just bite the
bullet and buy something more modern. So what do people think? To me
they seem to be getting to sound rather like JBLs these days!


Brian


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Old February 16th 18, 12:24 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Default Do speakers deteriorate with age?

Brian Gaff wrote:

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I have a pair of Tannoy IIIlz speakers which I've used for many years and
apart from cleaning up the switches in the crossover at the back, they have
performed well. always a little on the bright side, they do seem in recent
months to be getting significantly brighter, or kind of presence heavy. I
guess it could be my ears aging but I did wonder if it might be time to
either get them tested or fixed or to just bite the bullet and buy
something more modern.


** You posted almost the same question, couple of months ago.

Get a tech to check the ESR of the bi-polar electros in the crossover network - bound to find some bad ones. If so, have him change them for film types.

Mostly, as speakers ( and ears) age they get duller.


So what do people think? To me they seem to be getting to sound rather like
JBLs these days!



** Oh dear ...




..... Phil

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Old February 17th 18, 09:03 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Brian Gaff
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Default Do speakers deteriorate with age?

Back in the old days I could hear the alarm clock in the Monkeys Daydream
believer, and so there have been changes. I have no print out from that
time to tell what my ears were like either!
I suppose this is where one needs to actually go out and hear speakers or
better still listen to some in your own home.


Brian

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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Yes, both the loudspeaker units and some components in a crossover may
change enough with age or use to make a noticable difference. But it might
be your ears. Only way to tell is to get speakers and / or ears checked.

Jim

In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
I have a pair of Tannoy IIIlz speakers which I've used for many years
and apart from cleaning up the switches in the crossover at the back,
they have performed well. always a little on the bright side, they do
seem in recent months to be getting significantly brighter, or kind of
presence heavy. I guess it could be my ears aging but I did wonder if it
might be time to either get them tested or fixed or to just bite the
bullet and buy something more modern. So what do people think? To me
they seem to be getting to sound rather like JBLs these days!


Brian


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Old February 17th 18, 09:05 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Brian Gaff
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Default Do speakers deteriorate with age?

I did post this but I never saw any replies. If there were some my
newsreader or the usenet system ate them.

Yes unfortunately JBL engineer great almost indestructible speakers, but
they all sound like they are in a large bathroom or stone room wherever you
have them, to me.
Brian

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Brian Gaff wrote:

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I have a pair of Tannoy IIIlz speakers which I've used for many years and
apart from cleaning up the switches in the crossover at the back, they
have
performed well. always a little on the bright side, they do seem in
recent
months to be getting significantly brighter, or kind of presence heavy. I
guess it could be my ears aging but I did wonder if it might be time to
either get them tested or fixed or to just bite the bullet and buy
something more modern.


** You posted almost the same question, couple of months ago.

Get a tech to check the ESR of the bi-polar electros in the crossover
network - bound to find some bad ones. If so, have him change them for
film types.

Mostly, as speakers ( and ears) age they get duller.


So what do people think? To me they seem to be getting to sound rather
like
JBLs these days!



** Oh dear ...




.... Phil



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Old February 17th 18, 03:42 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Iain[_2_]
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Default Do speakers deteriorate with age?

lauantai 17. helmikuuta 2018 12.05.45 UTC+2 Brian Gaff kirjoitti:
I did post this but I never saw any replies. If there were some my
newsreader or the usenet system ate them.

Yes unfortunately JBL engineer great almost indestructible speakers, but
they all sound like they are in a large bathroom or stone room wherever you
have them, to me.
Brian

Speaker choice is such a personal thing, and there are
no "one size fits all" solutions either.
JBLs are particularly good at the West Coast Sound.

I have both Tannoy Lancasters and JBL L 100 Century,
both are good in their own genre.

Iain
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Old February 17th 18, 07:10 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Default Do speakers deteriorate with age?

On 17/02/2018 9:05 PM, Brian Gaff wrote:
I did post this but I never saw any replies. If there were some my
newsreader or the usenet system ate them.

Yes unfortunately JBL engineer great almost indestructible speakers, but
they all sound like they are in a large bathroom or stone room wherever you
have them, to me.
Brian


**JBL are like most audio companies. Some of the stuff they make is
junk. Some is good and some is REALLY good. Indestructible? Not a
snowball's chance in Hell. JBL speakers can be destroyed in the usual
fashion.

If you don't like JBLs, then you should try to hear a pair of 250Ti
JBLs. The most un-JBL like speakers you will hear and absolutely
stunning sounding. Prodigious amplification and a decent sized room are
mandatory. I should also add that JBL was the first company, IME, to
deliver a really nice sounding titanium HF driver.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/...ti-loudspeaker

And a view from a reviewer with some ears:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/...-opposing-view


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Old February 17th 18, 08:24 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Brian-Gaff
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Default Do speakers deteriorate with age?

I was speaking relatively so I am sure there are many ways to destroy
speakers. Apparently ammonia fumes do them no good but who lives in a cloud
of ammonia?


Brian

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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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On 17/02/2018 9:05 PM, Brian Gaff wrote:
I did post this but I never saw any replies. If there were some my
newsreader or the usenet system ate them.

Yes unfortunately JBL engineer great almost indestructible speakers, but
they all sound like they are in a large bathroom or stone room wherever
you
have them, to me.
Brian


**JBL are like most audio companies. Some of the stuff they make is junk.
Some is good and some is REALLY good. Indestructible? Not a snowball's
chance in Hell. JBL speakers can be destroyed in the usual fashion.

If you don't like JBLs, then you should try to hear a pair of 250Ti JBLs.
The most un-JBL like speakers you will hear and absolutely stunning
sounding. Prodigious amplification and a decent sized room are mandatory.
I should also add that JBL was the first company, IME, to deliver a really
nice sounding titanium HF driver.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/...ti-loudspeaker

And a view from a reviewer with some ears:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/...-opposing-view


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www.rageaudio.com.au



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Old February 17th 18, 08:42 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Trevor Wilson
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Default Do speakers deteriorate with age?

On 18/02/2018 8:24 AM, Brian-Gaff wrote:
I was speaking relatively so I am sure there are many ways to destroy
speakers. Apparently ammonia fumes do them no good but who lives in a cloud
of ammonia?


**One can easily destroy JBL speakers by abusing them with regular audio
equipment. EXACTLY the same as any other speaker. Too much power and/or
too much LF excursion will do the job.

I still suggest that you try and hear some 250Ti JBLs sometime. You will
realise that JBL is capable of building genuine high fidelity speakers.

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www.rageaudio.com.au
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Old February 18th 18, 05:07 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Phil Allison[_3_]
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Default Do speakers deteriorate with age?

Trevor Wilson wrote:

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**One can easily destroy JBL speakers by abusing them with regular audio
equipment. EXACTLY the same as any other speaker. Too much power and/or
too much LF excursion will do the job.

I still suggest that you try and hear some 250Ti JBLs sometime. You will
realise that JBL is capable of building genuine high fidelity speakers.


** Pyramid shaped with 14inch woofer originally designed in the 1960s - plus 3 more modern drivers with an elaborate, 4-way passive crossover.

http://lenaleestore.com/jbl-250ti/cl...e-originals-n/

http://lenaleestore.com/jbl-250ti/n250ti-schematic-jpg/





..... Phil




 




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