On 12/04/2018 8:14 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bob Latham wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Given a company in the UK like Falcon - pretty small - has gone to the
bother of having things like the B110 and so on re-manufactured, and can
do complete kits to make your own 3/5a, wonder why they've not bothered
to re-manufacture this wonderful (and inexpensive) speaker of yours? If
it really is that good, would be a winner.

To be fair you have to consider that the B110 has been used in countless
designs over the year, far from just the LS3/5A. I could probably name at
least a dozen off the top of my head. Also, I'm pretty sure that at least
one of the people involved in Falcon was ex KEF.

All true.

But given Mr Wilson's insistence on how wonderful the NEAR was, it smacks
of some form of conspiracy to suppress it.


**Don't be silly. The (true) hi fi industry is a minuscule part of the
audio business, which makes it a minuscule part of a small part of the
world's economy. NEAR drivers are (slightly) more expensive to
manufacture than regular drivers and, presumably, the bean counters saw
these facts and ceased production. Nothing more sinister than what
accountants do every day of the week - suck the joy out of life.

Make no mistake: Come the revolution, the lawyers and accountants will
be the first ones lined up against the wall.

:-)

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

In article ,
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/04/2018 8:14 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bob Latham wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Given a company in the UK like Falcon - pretty small - has gone to
the bother of having things like the B110 and so on re-manufactured,
and can do complete kits to make your own 3/5a, wonder why they've
not bothered to re-manufacture this wonderful (and inexpensive)
speaker of yours? If it really is that good, would be a winner.

To be fair you have to consider that the B110 has been used in
countless designs over the year, far from just the LS3/5A. I could
probably name at least a dozen off the top of my head. Also, I'm
pretty sure that at least one of the people involved in Falcon was ex
KEF.

All true.

But given Mr Wilson's insistence on how wonderful the NEAR was, it
smacks of some form of conspiracy to suppress it.


**Don't be silly. The (true) hi fi industry is a minuscule part of the
audio business, which makes it a minuscule part of a small part of the
world's economy. NEAR drivers are (slightly) more expensive to
manufacture than regular drivers and, presumably, the bean counters saw
these facts and ceased production. Nothing more sinister than what
accountants do every day of the week - suck the joy out of life.


I just find it odd that a speaker you consider the finest for its size and
unsurpassed since didn't sell by the million making a fortune for its
maker.

Make no mistake: Come the revolution, the lawyers and accountants will
be the first ones lined up against the wall.

:-)

--
*Go the extra mile. It makes your boss look like an incompetent slacker *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 14/04/2018 9:15 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/04/2018 8:14 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bob Latham wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Given a company in the UK like Falcon - pretty small - has gone to
the bother of having things like the B110 and so on re-manufactured,
and can do complete kits to make your own 3/5a, wonder why they've
not bothered to re-manufacture this wonderful (and inexpensive)
speaker of yours? If it really is that good, would be a winner.

To be fair you have to consider that the B110 has been used in
countless designs over the year, far from just the LS3/5A. I could
probably name at least a dozen off the top of my head. Also, I'm
pretty sure that at least one of the people involved in Falcon was ex
KEF.

All true.

But given Mr Wilson's insistence on how wonderful the NEAR was, it
smacks of some form of conspiracy to suppress it.


**Don't be silly. The (true) hi fi industry is a minuscule part of the
audio business, which makes it a minuscule part of a small part of the
world's economy. NEAR drivers are (slightly) more expensive to
manufacture than regular drivers and, presumably, the bean counters saw
these facts and ceased production. Nothing more sinister than what
accountants do every day of the week - suck the joy out of life.


I just find it odd that a speaker you consider the finest for its size and
unsurpassed since didn't sell by the million making a fortune for its
maker.

**Hang on a sec. I said nothing of the kind. This is the second time in
this thread that you have made statements that you ascribe to me, that I
never said.

Let me be as clear as I can possibly be (pay close attention and do not
make silly assumptions):

The LS3/5a was, at it's inception, a decent enough speaker. In 2018, it
is WAY, WAY behind many speakers in it's (stupidly high) price range. By
1993-ish, when I first heard the NEAR 10M, the NEAR 10M was a MUCH
better speaker, in every meaningful metric and far less expensive. That
was 25 years ago.

I have heard a number of speakers that are significantly better than the
NEAR 10M (and 10M-II) since. I have not heard one that can best the NEAR
10M at what I would estimate its 2018 price to be (US$750.00).


I will re-state: There are significantly better speakers available, in
the NEAR 10Ms size range.

Clear?

What me to re-state?

Or will you continue to make absurd statements that you ascribe to me?


Make no mistake: Come the revolution, the lawyers and accountants will
be the first ones lined up against the wall.

:-)



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

In article ,
Trevor Wilson wrote:
I just find it odd that a speaker you consider the finest for its size and
unsurpassed since didn't sell by the million making a fortune for its
maker.

**Hang on a sec. I said nothing of the kind. This is the second time in
this thread that you have made statements that you ascribe to me, that I
never said.

Let me be as clear as I can possibly be (pay close attention and do not
make silly assumptions):

The LS3/5a was, at it's inception, a decent enough speaker.

Then why didn't you say so at the start?

Let me quote your first post on the subject:-

****************

From: Trevor Wilson
Subject: Speaker unit to baffle.
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 01:35
Newsgroups: uk.rec.audio

**The LS3/5a is the most over-rated piece of junk ever to be foisted on
the audio industry. It's continued existence is adequate evidence that
most listeners believe what some reviewers say, rather than listening
for themselves.

Don't get me started on LS3/5a speakers. And don't tell me how the BBC
designed them. The idiot who designed them should be shot.

*****************

So I take it you're now retracting most of that?




In 2018, it
is WAY, WAY behind many speakers in it's (stupidly high) price range. By
1993-ish, when I first heard the NEAR 10M, the NEAR 10M was a MUCH
better speaker, in every meaningful metric and far less expensive. That
was 25 years ago.

But apparently by its lack of popularity likely just your opinion. A small
high quality speaker is the holy grail for many. No matter where it's
made.

I have heard a number of speakers that are significantly better than the
NEAR 10M (and 10M-II) since. I have not heard one that can best the NEAR
10M at what I would estimate its 2018 price to be (US$750.00).

Thing is, if you come out with outrageous comments about what was (and
still is) a well regarded speaker, why do you expect people to believe
your opinion on any?


I will re-state: There are significantly better speakers available, in
the NEAR 10Ms size range.

Clear?

What me to re-state?

Or will you continue to make absurd statements that you ascribe to me?

Are you claiming you didn't make the statement I've quoted above?


Make no mistake: Come the revolution, the lawyers and accountants will
be the first ones lined up against the wall.


--
*Why don't sheep shrink when it rains?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 14/04/2018 8:12 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Trevor Wilson wrote:
I just find it odd that a speaker you consider the finest for its size and
unsurpassed since didn't sell by the million making a fortune for its
maker.

**Hang on a sec. I said nothing of the kind. This is the second time in
this thread that you have made statements that you ascribe to me, that I
never said.

Let me be as clear as I can possibly be (pay close attention and do not
make silly assumptions):

The LS3/5a was, at it's inception, a decent enough speaker.

Then why didn't you say so at the start?

Let me quote your first post on the subject:-

****************

From: Trevor Wilson
Subject: Speaker unit to baffle.
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 01:35
Newsgroups: uk.rec.audio

**The LS3/5a is the most over-rated piece of junk ever to be foisted on
the audio industry. It's continued existence is adequate evidence that
most listeners believe what some reviewers say, rather than listening
for themselves.

Don't get me started on LS3/5a speakers. And don't tell me how the BBC
designed them. The idiot who designed them should be shot.

*****************

So I take it you're now retracting most of that?

**Your deflection is duly noted. How did you manage to figure this out,
from what I wrote?

"I just find it odd that a speaker you consider the finest for its size
and unsurpassed since didn't sell by the million making a fortune for
its maker."

To reiterate and amplify:

I NEVER stated what you claim I stated. Further: I have no idea how much
money the principals of the business made. They may well have made
zillions of Dollars.

So, please stop making claims for words I have never stated.





In 2018, it
is WAY, WAY behind many speakers in it's (stupidly high) price range. By
1993-ish, when I first heard the NEAR 10M, the NEAR 10M was a MUCH
better speaker, in every meaningful metric and far less expensive. That
was 25 years ago.

But apparently by its lack of popularity likely just your opinion.

**Nope. Building speakers is a tough business. The LS3/5a does not
survive on its intrinsic quality (which is ****-poor). It survives on
its perceived reputation. NEAR was a new company trying to break into a
tough business. Their products did quite well, but not brilliantly and,
when the company was purchased by a much larger company, the bean
counters decreed that the hi fi part of the business was a waste of
time, effort and money. Again: Much like the bean counters did to Apogee
Acoustics. Great product, brilliant reviews, but worth more as a
liquidated asset. Bloody bean counters. Come the revolution....


A small
high quality speaker is the holy grail for many. No matter where it's
made.

**Then you should listen to these:

http://www.brigadiers.audio/one-audio

They make everything else sound like 50 years ago.

If your budget can stretch, these are just sublime:

http://www.brigadiers.audio/ba-2

And yes, they utterly decimate my NEAR 10M-II speakers.

Either of these products is much closer to the Holy Grail of small
speakers than either the NEARs or the LS3/5a could ever hope to be.



I have heard a number of speakers that are significantly better than the
NEAR 10M (and 10M-II) since. I have not heard one that can best the NEAR
10M at what I would estimate its 2018 price to be (US$750.00).

Thing is, if you come out with outrageous comments about what was (and
still is) a well regarded speaker, why do you expect people to believe
your opinion on any?

**I don't give a ****. Unlike you, I have had the opportunity to listen
to a wide range of small (and large) speakers in the same room that I
had my LS3/5a speakers in. No comparison.



I will re-state: There are significantly better speakers available, in
the NEAR 10Ms size range.

Clear?

What me to re-state?

Or will you continue to make absurd statements that you ascribe to me?

Are you claiming you didn't make the statement I've quoted above?

**I am STATING that you made absurd, provably incorrect statements that
you ascribe to me.



Make no mistake: Come the revolution, the lawyers and accountants will
be the first ones lined up against the wall.




--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

In article ,
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/04/2018 8:12 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Trevor Wilson wrote:


Let me be as clear as I can possibly be (pay close attention and do
not make silly assumptions):

The LS3/5a was, at it's inception, a decent enough speaker.

Then why didn't you say so at the start?

Let me quote your first post on the subject:-

****************

From: Trevor Wilson
Subject: Speaker unit to baffle.
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 01:35
Newsgroups: uk.rec.audio

**The LS3/5a is the most over-rated piece of junk ever to be foisted on
the audio industry. It's continued existence is adequate evidence that
most listeners believe what some reviewers say, rather than listening
for themselves.

Don't get me started on LS3/5a speakers. And don't tell me how the BBC
designed them. The idiot who designed them should be shot.

*****************

So I take it you're now retracting most of that?

**Your deflection is duly noted. How did you manage to figure this out,
from what I wrote?

No wonder you dislike lawyers. You seem to want to be able to say one
thing in one post and the exact opposite in the next.

--
*If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.