This is a bit long - move on if you're not interested.

(Apologies if there are any howlers in it - I sure as hell ain't going to
read through it again!)


OK, I could use a bit of guidance here.

The more astute of you will notice that I frequently draw a response from
someone here who, for the sake of argument, I will call 'Rudi' (I wonder
what put that name into my head??). No matter what I post or however
UKcentric it is, Rudi's got an opinion! I ignore these responses on a
routine basis as it inevitably leads to a slanging match which brings the
tone of this group down and into disrepute. (You really need to know that,
out in the real world, any mention of this group will usually be met by
peals of laughter, which is a pity because I'm a real 'audio enthusiast', if
not much of a techie and believe it's a good place to share an interest,
learn stuff and feed back anything I've learned.)

This time last year (if you were here and can recall) we were tit-deep in
mile-long 'format bashing' threads where certain people's stated preferences
for a particular format where slated as being 'wrong' by a tiny majority
here (led by Rudi) and those of us (me, mostly) were slated as being
'bigots' for expressing such a preference. This, despite repeated statements
that we had/have no problems with other's differing preferences! IIRC
correctly the normal rigmarole was to put words into our mouths to the
effect we had claimed some 'mystical superiority' of our own preference
which, apart from anything else, seem to threaten Rudi (and is dog) and
would evoke a mile of techie BS, half of which I would have doubted as being
accurate, but all of which managed to ignore the simple fact that a clear,
stated preference could only imply that, for one reason or another, the
'preferred' has to be 'superior' in some way! The other 'easy meat' target
was, of course, the odd individual (returners to the medium, in some cases)
who would make sweeping claims in an enthusiastic manner - always handy for
Rudi (and his) dog to make a couple of 'strawman' arguments!

I made a decision about a year ago and decided to avoid furthering the
acrimony which was becoming the underlying theme in this group. I started
the Webpages, have put myself to the effort (and, no doubt, made myself look
a right plonker) of posting a ton of 'Show N Tell' nonsense and, when it
looked like there was to be no let-up, punted the idea of a separate group
for discussion of, er, my 'prefered medium'. Although this new group appears
to lie dead in the water it seems that not even BT fields it yet (that's a
big 'un in the UK, for those of us here who are somewhat 'offshore' ;-) and
I don't think it can even be found in Google yet! So who knows? Anyhoo, I
think it's gone a long way to reduce the acrimony here and I would have
said, until the latest mile-long streak of 'MJ' ****e Rudi's managed to drag
in here (which strangely seems to cause him no personal embarrassment
whatsoever???), that this group was looking better now than it's done for a
long time!

The rather pathetic personal insults I can easily ignore as they are usually
so damn 'wrong' they give me a damned good laugh at the very least! -
'Mentally deficient'? - Could well be, but at least I went to the same 400
year old Grammar School (all Latin and Rugby) as Tim De Paravacini (might
possibly have been his brother - I don't think so, but I'm not certain) at
about the same time (maybe 2 years younger than him?)! Founded about 50
years *before* the Pilgrim Fathers ****ed off to turn the Colonies into the
must anal continent on the planet, I might add! 'Bloody rude *******'? - Bit
hard on me poor old mum but, yes, I can give as good I get. (I think Rudi's
the one who 'can dish it out but can't take it'!). 'Calling him nasty
names'? - That's a good 'un, coming from him - the hissing and spitting
Queen of Audio Usenet! (Oops! :-) Oh, and by the way, tell him it's
*über*.......!! (Poor old Rudi, he's in such a state! ;-)

Anyway, enough already!

Basically, I'm not sure what to do - should I continue to ignore him (I know
he only wants to make 'friends'..... ;-), KF him completely or give him a
reet good kicking? (It's a bugger trying to play Mr Nice Guy all the time
and I've been at it for nearly a full year now! - One or two of you here
spotted my 'Peacemaker' rôle on a couple of occasions!) It's no good
suggesting I 'speak' to him - wouldn't last 5 minutes! (Been there, done
that too many times now!)

Perhaps one of you could have a word with him? Tell him we don't need
speaking to like we're thick children (clue: my youngest son is 25 or 26
years - buggered if I know which!). Point out to him that we ain't desperate
for outside help and that we've got enough knowledge and experience in this
group to scrape by, if it comes to it! Point out also that grabbing words
like 'bigot' and hurling them first doesn't make him look any less of a
hypocrite! Drop the hint that not everybody give a rat's arse about ABX
testing and that using it in a LISTENING TEST says more about him than I
ever could! (He's like a kid who's got hold of his dad's Black & Decker -
drilling holes in everything!) etc. etc. etc.....

Maybe *I* should just **** off - I've said it befo If any ONE person (who
I do not deem to be a tit) thinks this group would be better off without me,
I'm gone! Just say the word!

Anyway, gotta go now - just seen an interesting vinyl post come in and I've
got a couple of questions about digital radio I want to post!

Well done, if you made it this far - a right load of auld ******** I know,
but I just needed to get it off me chest!

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

This is a bit long - move on if you're not interested.

(Apologies if there are any howlers in it - I sure as hell ain't going to
read through it again!)


OK, I could use a bit of guidance here.

The more astute of you will notice that I frequently draw a response from
someone here who, for the sake of argument, I will call 'Rudi' (I wonder
what put that name into my head??). No matter what I post or however
UKcentric it is, Rudi's got an opinion! I ignore these responses on a
routine basis as it inevitably leads to a slanging match which brings the
tone of this group down and into disrepute. (You really need to know that,
out in the real world, any mention of this group will usually be met by
peals of laughter, which is a pity because I'm a real 'audio enthusiast',
if
not much of a techie and believe it's a good place to share an interest,
learn stuff and feed back anything I've learned.)

This time last year (if you were here and can recall) we were tit-deep in
mile-long 'format bashing' threads where certain people's stated
preferences
for a particular format where slated as being 'wrong' by a tiny majority
here (led by Rudi) and those of us (me, mostly) were slated as being
'bigots' for expressing such a preference. This, despite repeated
statements
that we had/have no problems with other's differing preferences! IIRC
correctly the normal rigmarole was to put words into our mouths to the
effect we had claimed some 'mystical superiority' of our own preference
which, apart from anything else, seem to threaten Rudi (and is dog) and
would evoke a mile of techie BS, half of which I would have doubted as
being
accurate, but all of which managed to ignore the simple fact that a clear,
stated preference could only imply that, for one reason or another, the
'preferred' has to be 'superior' in some way! The other 'easy meat' target
was, of course, the odd individual (returners to the medium, in some
cases)
who would make sweeping claims in an enthusiastic manner - always handy
for
Rudi (and his) dog to make a couple of 'strawman' arguments!

I made a decision about a year ago and decided to avoid furthering the
acrimony which was becoming the underlying theme in this group. I started
the Webpages, have put myself to the effort (and, no doubt, made myself
look
a right plonker) of posting a ton of 'Show N Tell' nonsense and, when it
looked like there was to be no let-up, punted the idea of a separate group
for discussion of, er, my 'prefered medium'. Although this new group
appears
to lie dead in the water it seems that not even BT fields it yet (that's a
big 'un in the UK, for those of us here who are somewhat 'offshore' ;-)
and
I don't think it can even be found in Google yet! So who knows? Anyhoo, I
think it's gone a long way to reduce the acrimony here and I would have
said, until the latest mile-long streak of 'MJ' ****e Rudi's managed to
drag
in here (which strangely seems to cause him no personal embarrassment
whatsoever???), that this group was looking better now than it's done for
a
long time!

The rather pathetic personal insults I can easily ignore as they are
usually
so damn 'wrong' they give me a damned good laugh at the very least! -
'Mentally deficient'? - Could well be, but at least I went to the same 400
year old Grammar School (all Latin and Rugby) as Tim De Paravacini (might
possibly have been his brother - I don't think so, but I'm not certain) at
about the same time (maybe 2 years younger than him?)! Founded about 50
years *before* the Pilgrim Fathers ****ed off to turn the Colonies into
the
must anal continent on the planet, I might add! 'Bloody rude *******'? -
Bit
hard on me poor old mum but, yes, I can give as good I get. (I think
Rudi's
the one who 'can dish it out but can't take it'!). 'Calling him nasty
names'? - That's a good 'un, coming from him - the hissing and spitting
Queen of Audio Usenet! (Oops! :-) Oh, and by the way, tell him it's
*über*.......!! (Poor old Rudi, he's in such a state! ;-)

Anyway, enough already!

Basically, I'm not sure what to do - should I continue to ignore him (I
know
he only wants to make 'friends'..... ;-), KF him completely or give him a
reet good kicking? (It's a bugger trying to play Mr Nice Guy all the time
and I've been at it for nearly a full year now! - One or two of you here
spotted my 'Peacemaker' rôle on a couple of occasions!) It's no good
suggesting I 'speak' to him - wouldn't last 5 minutes! (Been there, done
that too many times now!)

Perhaps one of you could have a word with him? Tell him we don't need
speaking to like we're thick children (clue: my youngest son is 25 or 26
years - buggered if I know which!). Point out to him that we ain't
desperate
for outside help and that we've got enough knowledge and experience in
this
group to scrape by, if it comes to it! Point out also that grabbing words
like 'bigot' and hurling them first doesn't make him look any less of a
hypocrite! Drop the hint that not everybody give a rat's arse about ABX
testing and that using it in a LISTENING TEST says more about him than I
ever could! (He's like a kid who's got hold of his dad's Black & Decker -
drilling holes in everything!) etc. etc. etc.....

Maybe *I* should just **** off - I've said it befo If any ONE person
(who
I do not deem to be a tit) thinks this group would be better off without
me,
I'm gone! Just say the word!

Anyway, gotta go now - just seen an interesting vinyl post come in and
I've
got a couple of questions about digital radio I want to post!

Well done, if you made it this far - a right load of auld ******** I know,
but I just needed to get it off me chest!





Keith, you know yourself there will always be one or two in a group who
ignores the obvious just for the chance to give an uninvited lecture on the
technical inadequacies of the poster. Don't get me wrong, Usenet IMO is a
great place to learn but not if technical knowledge is being used for
scoring points just because the recipients expertise does not lie in that
particular direction. That translates only to puffed-up arrogance on the
part of the poster and should be treated as such.

It never ceases to amaze me that some people on usenet can treat others with
such distain because certain areas are outside their own sphere of
experience. Would you come face-to-face with a senior doctor of medicine to
tell him he's an idiot because he doesn't know how to solder a plug to a
cable - of course not! As you are an 'audio enthusiast' and do not claim to
be an out&out techie then its pretty clear what you were asking in your
posting. Simply 1 or 2. I'm sure most replied accordingly and you got the
answers you required.

I have never claimed to be technical in certain areas such as precise audio
performance measurements because I simply have not had either the training
or experience in that area. I have in the past been in overall electronics
supervision of the building and maiden voyages of five VLCC's (supertankers)
but of course that obviously does not give me any audio measurement
knowledge or experience but I'm sure some parallels with instrument
measurement may exist. I am always open and eager to learn in other areas
but not if the knowledge offered is used as a pawn in a larger game or to
parade a usenet ego.

Trouble is this is a big open window and you get both the smell of flowers
and the sewerage works wafting in.

"Mike Gilmour" wrote


snip own ******** and an interesting reply


cable - of course not! As you are an 'audio enthusiast' and do not claim
to
be an out&out techie then its pretty clear what you were asking in your
posting. Simply 1 or 2. I'm sure most replied accordingly and you got
the
answers you required.


Yes, I did thanks! The added bonus was that the 'normal' replies confirmed
my own thoughts and those of a couple of people that have heard the tracks
here. The outcome is not so peachy though - I now have a few hundred tracks
(more than I thought) that I feel should be replaced!

If Clever Clogs hadn't been such a smartarse and attached his own agenda to
my doings I don't think the 'media/format' thing would have come up at all -
I haven't *even yet* identified the tracks and thought they were so close
myself it need not have been an issue at all. (If they had been vastly
different I wouldn't have needed to seek 'outside opinion'!)

Ya hafta bloody larf! - As I said, there was no hidden agenda and no dark
ulterior motive attached to this exercise, but the fact that Rudi had to run
the tracks through his computer to 'identify' them and that the 'demon
device' (that causes him so much anxiety) is actually a no more than a
little 'budget' number from the very bottom end of the food chain says more
about the sound quality it produces than I would have done! :-)

(I kinda think he's shot himself in the foot on this one! :-)


Trouble is this is a big open window and you get both the smell of flowers
and the sewerage works wafting in.


Indeed, but the less we 'accept' this sorry fact as the norm, the better the
view gets (hopefully). The trouble is that there's not too much to see out
of the window much of the time - leads me to post perhaps more than I
should, just to see summat happening!

"Mike Gilmour" wrote


snip own ******** and an interesting reply


cable - of course not! As you are an 'audio enthusiast' and do not claim
to
be an out&out techie then its pretty clear what you were asking in your
posting. Simply 1 or 2. I'm sure most replied accordingly and you got
the
answers you required.


Yes, I did thanks! The added bonus was that the 'normal' replies confirmed
my own thoughts and those of a couple of people that have heard the tracks
here. The outcome is not so peachy though - I now have a few hundred tracks
(more than I thought) that I feel should be replaced!

If Clever Clogs hadn't been such a smartarse and attached his own agenda to
my doings I don't think the 'media/format' thing would have come up at all -
I haven't *even yet* identified the tracks and thought they were so close
myself it need not have been an issue at all. (If they had been vastly
different I wouldn't have needed to seek 'outside opinion'!)

Ya hafta bloody larf! - As I said, there was no hidden agenda and no dark
ulterior motive attached to this exercise, but the fact that Rudi had to run
the tracks through his computer to 'identify' them and that the 'demon
device' (that causes him so much anxiety) is actually a no more than a
little 'budget' number from the very bottom end of the food chain says more
about the sound quality it produces than I would have done! :-)

(I kinda think he's shot himself in the foot on this one! :-)


Trouble is this is a big open window and you get both the smell of flowers
and the sewerage works wafting in.


Indeed, but the less we 'accept' this sorry fact as the norm, the better the
view gets (hopefully). The trouble is that there's not too much to see out
of the window much of the time - leads me to post perhaps more than I
should, just to see summat happening!

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

This is a bit long - move on if you're not interested.

(Apologies if there are any howlers in it - I sure as hell ain't going to
read through it again!)


OK, I could use a bit of guidance here.

The more astute of you will notice that I frequently draw a response from
someone here who, for the sake of argument, I will call 'Rudi' (I wonder
what put that name into my head??). No matter what I post or however
UKcentric it is, Rudi's got an opinion! I ignore these responses on a
routine basis as it inevitably leads to a slanging match which brings the
tone of this group down and into disrepute. (You really need to know that,
out in the real world, any mention of this group will usually be met by
peals of laughter, which is a pity because I'm a real 'audio enthusiast',
if
not much of a techie and believe it's a good place to share an interest,
learn stuff and feed back anything I've learned.)

This time last year (if you were here and can recall) we were tit-deep in
mile-long 'format bashing' threads where certain people's stated
preferences
for a particular format where slated as being 'wrong' by a tiny majority
here (led by Rudi) and those of us (me, mostly) were slated as being
'bigots' for expressing such a preference. This, despite repeated
statements
that we had/have no problems with other's differing preferences! IIRC
correctly the normal rigmarole was to put words into our mouths to the
effect we had claimed some 'mystical superiority' of our own preference
which, apart from anything else, seem to threaten Rudi (and is dog) and
would evoke a mile of techie BS, half of which I would have doubted as
being
accurate, but all of which managed to ignore the simple fact that a clear,
stated preference could only imply that, for one reason or another, the
'preferred' has to be 'superior' in some way! The other 'easy meat' target
was, of course, the odd individual (returners to the medium, in some
cases)
who would make sweeping claims in an enthusiastic manner - always handy
for
Rudi (and his) dog to make a couple of 'strawman' arguments!

I made a decision about a year ago and decided to avoid furthering the
acrimony which was becoming the underlying theme in this group. I started
the Webpages, have put myself to the effort (and, no doubt, made myself
look
a right plonker) of posting a ton of 'Show N Tell' nonsense and, when it
looked like there was to be no let-up, punted the idea of a separate group
for discussion of, er, my 'prefered medium'. Although this new group
appears
to lie dead in the water it seems that not even BT fields it yet (that's a
big 'un in the UK, for those of us here who are somewhat 'offshore' ;-)
and
I don't think it can even be found in Google yet! So who knows? Anyhoo, I
think it's gone a long way to reduce the acrimony here and I would have
said, until the latest mile-long streak of 'MJ' ****e Rudi's managed to
drag
in here (which strangely seems to cause him no personal embarrassment
whatsoever???), that this group was looking better now than it's done for
a
long time!

The rather pathetic personal insults I can easily ignore as they are
usually
so damn 'wrong' they give me a damned good laugh at the very least! -
'Mentally deficient'? - Could well be, but at least I went to the same 400
year old Grammar School (all Latin and Rugby) as Tim De Paravacini (might
possibly have been his brother - I don't think so, but I'm not certain) at
about the same time (maybe 2 years younger than him?)! Founded about 50
years *before* the Pilgrim Fathers ****ed off to turn the Colonies into
the
must anal continent on the planet, I might add! 'Bloody rude *******'? -
Bit
hard on me poor old mum but, yes, I can give as good I get. (I think
Rudi's
the one who 'can dish it out but can't take it'!). 'Calling him nasty
names'? - That's a good 'un, coming from him - the hissing and spitting
Queen of Audio Usenet! (Oops! :-) Oh, and by the way, tell him it's
*über*.......!! (Poor old Rudi, he's in such a state! ;-)

Anyway, enough already!

Basically, I'm not sure what to do - should I continue to ignore him (I
know
he only wants to make 'friends'..... ;-), KF him completely or give him a
reet good kicking? (It's a bugger trying to play Mr Nice Guy all the time
and I've been at it for nearly a full year now! - One or two of you here
spotted my 'Peacemaker' rôle on a couple of occasions!) It's no good
suggesting I 'speak' to him - wouldn't last 5 minutes! (Been there, done
that too many times now!)

Perhaps one of you could have a word with him? Tell him we don't need
speaking to like we're thick children (clue: my youngest son is 25 or 26
years - buggered if I know which!). Point out to him that we ain't
desperate
for outside help and that we've got enough knowledge and experience in
this
group to scrape by, if it comes to it! Point out also that grabbing words
like 'bigot' and hurling them first doesn't make him look any less of a
hypocrite! Drop the hint that not everybody give a rat's arse about ABX
testing and that using it in a LISTENING TEST says more about him than I
ever could! (He's like a kid who's got hold of his dad's Black & Decker -
drilling holes in everything!) etc. etc. etc.....

Maybe *I* should just **** off - I've said it befo If any ONE person
(who
I do not deem to be a tit) thinks this group would be better off without
me,
I'm gone! Just say the word!

Anyway, gotta go now - just seen an interesting vinyl post come in and
I've
got a couple of questions about digital radio I want to post!

Well done, if you made it this far - a right load of auld ******** I know,
but I just needed to get it off me chest!





Keith, you know yourself there will always be one or two in a group who
ignores the obvious just for the chance to give an uninvited lecture on the
technical inadequacies of the poster. Don't get me wrong, Usenet IMO is a
great place to learn but not if technical knowledge is being used for
scoring points just because the recipients expertise does not lie in that
particular direction. That translates only to puffed-up arrogance on the
part of the poster and should be treated as such.

It never ceases to amaze me that some people on usenet can treat others with
such distain because certain areas are outside their own sphere of
experience. Would you come face-to-face with a senior doctor of medicine to
tell him he's an idiot because he doesn't know how to solder a plug to a
cable - of course not! As you are an 'audio enthusiast' and do not claim to
be an out&out techie then its pretty clear what you were asking in your
posting. Simply 1 or 2. I'm sure most replied accordingly and you got the
answers you required.

I have never claimed to be technical in certain areas such as precise audio
performance measurements because I simply have not had either the training
or experience in that area. I have in the past been in overall electronics
supervision of the building and maiden voyages of five VLCC's (supertankers)
but of course that obviously does not give me any audio measurement
knowledge or experience but I'm sure some parallels with instrument
measurement may exist. I am always open and eager to learn in other areas
but not if the knowledge offered is used as a pawn in a larger game or to
parade a usenet ego.

Trouble is this is a big open window and you get both the smell of flowers
and the sewerage works wafting in.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

This is a bit long - move on if you're not interested.

(Apologies if there are any howlers in it - I sure as hell ain't going to
read through it again!)


OK, I could use a bit of guidance here.

The more astute of you will notice that I frequently draw a response from
someone here who, for the sake of argument, I will call 'Rudi' (I wonder
what put that name into my head??). No matter what I post or however
UKcentric it is, Rudi's got an opinion! I ignore these responses on a
routine basis as it inevitably leads to a slanging match which brings the
tone of this group down and into disrepute. (You really need to know that,
out in the real world, any mention of this group will usually be met by
peals of laughter, which is a pity because I'm a real 'audio enthusiast',
if
not much of a techie and believe it's a good place to share an interest,
learn stuff and feed back anything I've learned.)

snipped for length

stay and be heard, sod the bigots.
regards malcolm

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LED Headlamps and Sea Fishing UK
http://www.geocities.com/malc_hurn
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"Alicia Tamblyn" wrote


snipped for length


stay and be heard, sod the bigots.


Heh heh! Thanks Malcolm!

;-)

"Alicia Tamblyn" wrote


snipped for length


stay and be heard, sod the bigots.


Heh heh! Thanks Malcolm!

;-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

This is a bit long - move on if you're not interested.

(Apologies if there are any howlers in it - I sure as hell ain't going to
read through it again!)


OK, I could use a bit of guidance here.

The more astute of you will notice that I frequently draw a response from
someone here who, for the sake of argument, I will call 'Rudi' (I wonder
what put that name into my head??). No matter what I post or however
UKcentric it is, Rudi's got an opinion! I ignore these responses on a
routine basis as it inevitably leads to a slanging match which brings the
tone of this group down and into disrepute. (You really need to know that,
out in the real world, any mention of this group will usually be met by
peals of laughter, which is a pity because I'm a real 'audio enthusiast',
if
not much of a techie and believe it's a good place to share an interest,
learn stuff and feed back anything I've learned.)

snipped for length

stay and be heard, sod the bigots.
regards malcolm

--
¸.·´¯`·.¸((((º.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸((((º.·´¯`·.¸
LED Headlamps and Sea Fishing UK
http://www.geocities.com/malc_hurn
¸.·´¯`·.¸((((º.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸((((º.·´¯`·.¸

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Keith speaking as "Rudi", why don't you do the easy thing and just clean up
your act?

All this wailing and gnashing of teeth is not going to get you any place
productive.

Next time you try to bias a listening test, I'll jump all over you once
again. There's only one reasonable way out for you, and that's to clean up
your act. You know what it takes, so why don't you just quit crying like a
little baby and do things right next time?