Stewart Pinkerton commented in
uk.rec.audiocbjun0p6n7qr63tl3q6p0j016a1cqcc1vq@4a x.com:
: On 26 Oct 2004 20:51:39 GMT, ohawker (Andy
: Evans) wrote:
:
: Seems to me outrageous statements by those valve and vinyl enthusiasts are
: always the start of these slagging matches
:
: No, Dave, it goes like this:
: Post - "I'm getting really good sounds out of my valve/vinyl system"
: Response - "Yet another hopeless valve nutter who can't see that the only
: acoustically transparent device is a ss amp. Hopeless pathetic twerp"

I think AE overexaggerates entirely here, but respond to SP's remark below.

: So how about the response:
: "Glad to hear it - what are you using". Pop over to Audio Asylum and that's the
: response you get. That's because it's moderated, people are interested in each
: others projects, and the foul mouthed people from Planet Strange get their
: posts removed.
:
: Actually, it's not moderated, it's *censored*, so that all the tweakos
: and valvies can enjoy lots of mutual back-slapping without ever being
: disturbed by difficult questions like "but how do you know it *really*
: sounds different?"

I did "pop over" (as I do every so often for a look, although I've not
subscribed - and I find it appallingly hard to read because of the lack of
consistent threading, and the need to keep returning to the main page to
pick out continuations of threads that are disconnected*) to the AA
recently, and found this thread, or at least a few posts in it, quite
interesting for the reason that they *exactly* touch on this question ...

See: (and the picture in the first post alone is worth a look!)
(* I've just realised that one _can_ link to "All" of a thread ... duh!)

http://www.audioasylum.com/scripts/t...ubediy&m=64541
(scroll down slightly past the initial whitespace to find the image

HP's other comment later in the thread, (further down, or alone in
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/tu...ges/64565.html )
points up how this applies to audio perceptions ... if one is impatient.
I'd quote it, but I think pointing it out here should suffice, ideally.

But I do suggest reading the whole thread from the first link above!

Evidently there are a few thinkers amongst the tweakers - and some of them
*are* aware that the perceptions they get from their "illusion machines" are
*not* coincident with the original signals ... ;=})

RdM

PS: Perhaps I should clarify that, while I like valves, (and am intending to
build a valve amp - mainly because I can understand enough to, unlike SS -)
and vinyl - something atavistic in the appeal they both have, no doubt;- I
am quite sympathetic to, and indeed accept, most statements about the
technical realities of both, made here consistently by the usual few ... and
I am not at all offended by them, unlike, it appears, the other usual few!!

(In fact, it was by following similiar discussions on r.a.h.e and
rec.audio.tech, years ago, that I weaned myself from some odd beliefs:-)