Larrge or Small ?

Hi,

I have a question regarding setting "Large" or "Small" for speakers within a
surround setup. My setup :

Front/Center : Quadral Ascent 450 (115W RMS, 35-24000Hz, 4-8Ohm)
Surround : Quadral Phase Zero (40W RMS, 65-22000Hz, 4Ohm)
Sub : Elac Base 373 (crossover freq 40-180Hz)

What would be the best settings for front, center and surround speakers ?
And which crossover freq should I use for the sub ? Many thanks in advance
for helping me out,

David.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:27:31 +0100, "In Dreams I Walk With You"
wrote:

Hi,

I have a question regarding setting "Large" or "Small" for speakers within a
surround setup. My setup :

Front/Center : Quadral Ascent 450 (115W RMS, 35-24000Hz, 4-8Ohm)
Surround : Quadral Phase Zero (40W RMS, 65-22000Hz, 4Ohm)
Sub : Elac Base 373 (crossover freq 40-180Hz)

What would be the best settings for front, center and surround speakers ?
And which crossover freq should I use for the sub ? Many thanks in advance
for helping me out,

I could not find any objective test data for these speakers and I
wonder about the specs quoted. Certainly set them for 'small' and try
using 80Hz all around on the Quadrals and push the Elac to 180Hz.
After using that for a bit, you might want to experiment with settings
of 50 or 60Hz for the L/C/Rs but keep the surrounds at 80Hz.

Kal

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:27:31 +0100, "In Dreams I Walk With You"
wrote:

Hi,

I have a question regarding setting "Large" or "Small" for speakers within
a
surround setup. My setup :

Front/Center : Quadral Ascent 450 (115W RMS, 35-24000Hz, 4-8Ohm)
Surround : Quadral Phase Zero (40W RMS, 65-22000Hz, 4Ohm)
Sub : Elac Base 373 (crossover freq 40-180Hz)

What would be the best settings for front, center and surround speakers ?
And which crossover freq should I use for the sub ? Many thanks in advance
for helping me out,

I could not find any objective test data for these speakers and I
wonder about the specs quoted. Certainly set them for 'small' and try
using 80Hz all around on the Quadrals and push the Elac to 180Hz.
After using that for a bit, you might want to experiment with settings
of 50 or 60Hz for the L/C/Rs but keep the surrounds at 80Hz.

Thanks. However my amp doesn't let me set the crossover for speakers. So
basically I should set the sub crossover freq to 180Hz and set all speakers
to "small" setting ?

David.

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:12:56 +0100, "In Dreams I Walk With You"
wrote:

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:27:31 +0100, "In Dreams I Walk With You"
wrote:

Hi,

I have a question regarding setting "Large" or "Small" for speakers within
a
surround setup. My setup :

Front/Center : Quadral Ascent 450 (115W RMS, 35-24000Hz, 4-8Ohm)
Surround : Quadral Phase Zero (40W RMS, 65-22000Hz, 4Ohm)
Sub : Elac Base 373 (crossover freq 40-180Hz)

What would be the best settings for front, center and surround speakers ?
And which crossover freq should I use for the sub ? Many thanks in advance
for helping me out,

I could not find any objective test data for these speakers and I
wonder about the specs quoted. Certainly set them for 'small' and try
using 80Hz all around on the Quadrals and push the Elac to 180Hz.
After using that for a bit, you might want to experiment with settings
of 50 or 60Hz for the L/C/Rs but keep the surrounds at 80Hz.

Thanks. However my amp doesn't let me set the crossover for speakers. So
basically I should set the sub crossover freq to 180Hz and set all speakers
to "small" setting ?

I guess. Your amp should probably default to 80Hz but there's no
certainty of that.

Kal

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:12:56 +0100, "In Dreams I Walk With You"
wrote:

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:27:31 +0100, "In Dreams I Walk With You"
wrote:

Hi,

I have a question regarding setting "Large" or "Small" for speakers
within
a
surround setup. My setup :

Front/Center : Quadral Ascent 450 (115W RMS, 35-24000Hz, 4-8Ohm)
Surround : Quadral Phase Zero (40W RMS, 65-22000Hz, 4Ohm)
Sub : Elac Base 373 (crossover freq 40-180Hz)

What would be the best settings for front, center and surround speakers
?
And which crossover freq should I use for the sub ? Many thanks in
advance
for helping me out,

I could not find any objective test data for these speakers and I
wonder about the specs quoted. Certainly set them for 'small' and try
using 80Hz all around on the Quadrals and push the Elac to 180Hz.
After using that for a bit, you might want to experiment with settings
of 50 or 60Hz for the L/C/Rs but keep the surrounds at 80Hz.

Thanks. However my amp doesn't let me set the crossover for speakers. So
basically I should set the sub crossover freq to 180Hz and set all
speakers
to "small" setting ?

I guess. Your amp should probably default to 80Hz but there's no
certainty of that.

I checked the manual and it says that when setting "small" is chosen then
all freq's below 100Hz will be passed to the sub. So I can assume the
crossover freq of the amp is 100Hz ? So then it would be best to set the
crossover freq of the sub at 100Hz, correct ? Thanks again,

David.

In Dreams I Walk With You wrote:

I checked the manual and it says that when setting "small" is chosen then
all freq's below 100Hz will be passed to the sub. So I can assume the
crossover freq of the amp is 100Hz ? So then it would be best to set the
crossover freq of the sub at 100Hz, correct ? Thanks again,

Your sub doesn't need a crossover if the AV amp is providing that function.
Set the sub's crossover to off or its highest available frequency.

--
Eiron.

"Eiron" wrote in message
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In Dreams I Walk With You wrote:

I checked the manual and it says that when setting "small" is chosen then
all freq's below 100Hz will be passed to the sub. So I can assume the
crossover freq of the amp is 100Hz ? So then it would be best to set the
crossover freq of the sub at 100Hz, correct ? Thanks again,

Your sub doesn't need a crossover if the AV amp is providing that
function.
Set the sub's crossover to off or its highest available frequency.

Hmm now I'm completely lost I have now set front and center to large, and
surround to small setting. With LFE setting to L/R + LFE, and crossover on
sub at 80Hz. This way, from the HK manual, the front- and centerspeakers
will get the complete signal, plus the LFE all below 80Hz. The surrounds
aren't complete speakers so I set them to small setting. However, on several
internet websites there's talk about this way the front and center not
getting the mids and highs they should be getting. It basically says, set
all speakers to small setting. But I'm afraid that way the front and center,
which are a very nice set of full-range speakers, won't operate to their
fullest capacity. Does this sound credible to you ?

Cheers,


David.

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:36:46 +0100, "In Dreams I Walk With You"
wrote:

"Eiron" wrote in message
...
In Dreams I Walk With You wrote:

I checked the manual and it says that when setting "small" is chosen then
all freq's below 100Hz will be passed to the sub. So I can assume the
crossover freq of the amp is 100Hz ? So then it would be best to set the
crossover freq of the sub at 100Hz, correct ? Thanks again,

Your sub doesn't need a crossover if the AV amp is providing that
function.
Set the sub's crossover to off or its highest available frequency.

Hmm now I'm completely lost I have now set front and center to large, and
surround to small setting. With LFE setting to L/R + LFE, and crossover on
sub at 80Hz. This way, from the HK manual, the front- and centerspeakers
will get the complete signal, plus the LFE all below 80Hz. The surrounds
aren't complete speakers so I set them to small setting. However, on several
internet websites there's talk about this way the front and center not
getting the mids and highs they should be getting. It basically says, set
all speakers to small setting. But I'm afraid that way the front and center,
which are a very nice set of full-range speakers, won't operate to their
fullest capacity. Does this sound credible to you ?

Bottom line: You can try it both ways.

My advice: Do not use L/R+LFE since your L/R speakers are not capable
of handling LFE. Whether it is 80 or 100Hz (80 better), set them all
to small and turn the sub's setting up to max (180Hz). Do this
because the receiver is controlling the sub's crossover frequency.

Kal

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:36:46 +0100, "In Dreams I Walk With You"
wrote:

"Eiron" wrote in message
...
In Dreams I Walk With You wrote:

I checked the manual and it says that when setting "small" is chosen
then
all freq's below 100Hz will be passed to the sub. So I can assume the
crossover freq of the amp is 100Hz ? So then it would be best to set
the
crossover freq of the sub at 100Hz, correct ? Thanks again,

Your sub doesn't need a crossover if the AV amp is providing that
function.
Set the sub's crossover to off or its highest available frequency.

Hmm now I'm completely lost I have now set front and center to large,
and
surround to small setting. With LFE setting to L/R + LFE, and crossover on
sub at 80Hz. This way, from the HK manual, the front- and centerspeakers
will get the complete signal, plus the LFE all below 80Hz. The surrounds
aren't complete speakers so I set them to small setting. However, on
several
internet websites there's talk about this way the front and center not
getting the mids and highs they should be getting. It basically says, set
all speakers to small setting. But I'm afraid that way the front and
center,
which are a very nice set of full-range speakers, won't operate to their
fullest capacity. Does this sound credible to you ?

Bottom line: You can try it both ways.

My advice: Do not use L/R+LFE since your L/R speakers are not capable
of handling LFE. Whether it is 80 or 100Hz (80 better), set them all
to small and turn the sub's setting up to max (180Hz). Do this
because the receiver is controlling the sub's crossover frequency.


Ok I'll try that, thanks.

Thanks both Kal and Eiron. My system now seems to be set up just right. For
both music (stereo/DTS) and movies (DD/DTS), the low freq's blend in very
well. All the best for the new year !

David.