Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:19:09 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:


I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.


Every record in today's charts. Cher and others have used an extreme
version as a vocal effect (Do you believe in life after love, for
example).


So "The closest approach to the original sound" is not what we want?
What about remasters? Do they fix the vocals?
What about old songs by the Cranberries? Surely that effect is real.

--
Roger.

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:19:28 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:19:09 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:


I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.


Every record in today's charts. Cher and others have used an extreme
version as a vocal effect (Do you believe in life after love, for
example).


So "The closest approach to the original sound" is not what we want?
What about remasters? Do they fix the vocals?
What about old songs by the Cranberries? Surely that effect is real.

Unless you have access to the original separate tracks, then you can't
fix a vocalist already in a mix; you have to pitch-shift the whole
thing. It certainly can't be done at any mastering stage.

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

As for what we want - that is entirely a matter of choice - you can
have natural, or unnatural or anything in between.

d

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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:19:28 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:19:09 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:


I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.


Every record in today's charts. Cher and others have used an extreme
version as a vocal effect (Do you believe in life after love, for
example).


So "The closest approach to the original sound" is not what we want?
What about remasters? Do they fix the vocals?
What about old songs by the Cranberries? Surely that effect is real.

Unless you have access to the original separate tracks, then you can't
fix a vocalist already in a mix; you have to pitch-shift the whole
thing. It certainly can't be done at any mastering stage.

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

As for what we want - that is entirely a matter of choice - you can
have natural, or unnatural or anything in between.

d

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Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Old Fart at Play wrote:

I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.


Cher released a song a year or so ago when the pitch corrector effect was
deliberately overdone. My wife thinks the song was called 'I believe in
love' or something similar.

Ian

Old Fart at Play wrote:

I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.


Cher released a song a year or so ago when the pitch corrector effect was
deliberately overdone. My wife thinks the song was called 'I believe in
love' or something similar.

Ian

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.

d

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.

d

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:40:30 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.



Don, out of interest what other music have you heard Dolores
O'Riordan-Burton perform? The vast majority (all I think) of what I have
heard, both live (4 concerts) and the recorded work (5 albums) has been
penned by O'Riordan-Burton herself, or else, co-written with fellow band
member Noel Hogan.

As for the "Celtic Yelp" now Sinéad O'Connor yelps, perhaps you are
confusing the two? ;)))

Dolores has that strange upward catch in her voice, which I understand
is called a Celtic Yelp ( Dido has just the tiniest touch of it as
well). As for other stuff, I saw her once in a pub doing all sorts of
stuff, folk, blues and modern and she was simply stunning - bang on
the notes and real feeling.

d

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