Pitch correction?
 

I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.

--
Roger.

Pitch correction?
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:19:09 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.

Every record in today's charts. Cher and others have used an extreme
version as a vocal effect (Do you believe in life after love, for
example).

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

Pitch correction?
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:19:09 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.

Every record in today's charts. Cher and others have used an extreme
version as a vocal effect (Do you believe in life after love, for
example).

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

Pitch correction?
 

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.

Antares Autotune.
And it's everywhere.

Pitch correction?
 

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.

Antares Autotune.
And it's everywhere.

Pitch correction?
 

In article , Pete
wrote:

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days but I heard
a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic pitch correction goes
on for the benefit of tone deaf singers. He also said that the effect
is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio? I
presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice changes
in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like that
naturally.

Antares Autotune. And it's everywhere.

Is this the sort of 'plastic harmonica' effect I tend to hear in a lot of
the singing on 'pop' songs these days? It also seems to cause glides to
'jump' from note to note a but like a yodlel?

Come back Frank Ifield, all is forgiven. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

Pitch correction?
 

In article , Pete
wrote:

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days but I heard
a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic pitch correction goes
on for the benefit of tone deaf singers. He also said that the effect
is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio? I
presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice changes
in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like that
naturally.

Antares Autotune. And it's everywhere.

Is this the sort of 'plastic harmonica' effect I tend to hear in a lot of
the singing on 'pop' songs these days? It also seems to cause glides to
'jump' from note to note a but like a yodlel?

Come back Frank Ifield, all is forgiven. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

Pitch correction?
 

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.

--
Roger.


many moons ago , I was watching a Madonna TV prog,
and they had a couple of seconds of her sing raw without any
processing........ euuuck

Pitch correction?
 

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.

--
Roger.


many moons ago , I was watching a Madonna TV prog,
and they had a couple of seconds of her sing raw without any
processing........ euuuck

Pitch correction?
 

Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:19:09 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:


I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.


Every record in today's charts. Cher and others have used an extreme
version as a vocal effect (Do you believe in life after love, for
example).


So "The closest approach to the original sound" is not what we want?
What about remasters? Do they fix the vocals?
What about old songs by the Cranberries? Surely that effect is real.

--
Roger.

Pitch correction?
 

Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:19:09 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:


I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.


Every record in today's charts. Cher and others have used an extreme
version as a vocal effect (Do you believe in life after love, for
example).


So "The closest approach to the original sound" is not what we want?
What about remasters? Do they fix the vocals?
What about old songs by the Cranberries? Surely that effect is real.

--
Roger.

Pitch correction?
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:19:28 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:19:09 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:


I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.


Every record in today's charts. Cher and others have used an extreme
version as a vocal effect (Do you believe in life after love, for
example).


So "The closest approach to the original sound" is not what we want?
What about remasters? Do they fix the vocals?
What about old songs by the Cranberries? Surely that effect is real.

Unless you have access to the original separate tracks, then you can't
fix a vocalist already in a mix; you have to pitch-shift the whole
thing. It certainly can't be done at any mastering stage.

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

As for what we want - that is entirely a matter of choice - you can
have natural, or unnatural or anything in between.

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

Pitch correction?
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:19:28 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:19:09 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:


I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.

Can anyone suggest a good example that I might hear on the radio?
I presume that the effect is the yodelling sound where the voice
changes in mid-note but for all I know the singers might sound like
that naturally.


Every record in today's charts. Cher and others have used an extreme
version as a vocal effect (Do you believe in life after love, for
example).


So "The closest approach to the original sound" is not what we want?
What about remasters? Do they fix the vocals?
What about old songs by the Cranberries? Surely that effect is real.

Unless you have access to the original separate tracks, then you can't
fix a vocalist already in a mix; you have to pitch-shift the whole
thing. It certainly can't be done at any mastering stage.

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

As for what we want - that is entirely a matter of choice - you can
have natural, or unnatural or anything in between.

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

Pitch correction?
 

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Pitch correction?
 

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Pitch correction?
 

Old Fart at Play wrote:

I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.


Cher released a song a year or so ago when the pitch corrector effect was
deliberately overdone. My wife thinks the song was called 'I believe in
love' or something similar.

Ian

Pitch correction?
 

Old Fart at Play wrote:

I don't know what goes on in recording studios these days
but I heard a chap on the radio say that a lot of automatic
pitch correction goes on for the benefit of tone deaf singers.
He also said that the effect is easy to recognise.


Cher released a song a year or so ago when the pitch corrector effect was
deliberately overdone. My wife thinks the song was called 'I believe in
love' or something similar.

Ian

Pitch correction?
 

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

Pitch correction?
 

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

Pitch correction?
 

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:40:30 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.



Don, out of interest what other music have you heard Dolores
O'Riordan-Burton perform? The vast majority (all I think) of what I have
heard, both live (4 concerts) and the recorded work (5 albums) has been
penned by O'Riordan-Burton herself, or else, co-written with fellow band
member Noel Hogan.

As for the "Celtic Yelp" now Sinéad O'Connor yelps, perhaps you are
confusing the two? ;)))

Dolores has that strange upward catch in her voice, which I understand
is called a Celtic Yelp ( Dido has just the tiniest touch of it as
well). As for other stuff, I saw her once in a pub doing all sorts of
stuff, folk, blues and modern and she was simply stunning - bang on
the notes and real feeling.

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

Pitch correction?
 

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:40:30 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.



Don, out of interest what other music have you heard Dolores
O'Riordan-Burton perform? The vast majority (all I think) of what I have
heard, both live (4 concerts) and the recorded work (5 albums) has been
penned by O'Riordan-Burton herself, or else, co-written with fellow band
member Noel Hogan.

As for the "Celtic Yelp" now Sinéad O'Connor yelps, perhaps you are
confusing the two? ;)))

Dolores has that strange upward catch in her voice, which I understand
is called a Celtic Yelp ( Dido has just the tiniest touch of it as
well). As for other stuff, I saw her once in a pub doing all sorts of
stuff, folk, blues and modern and she was simply stunning - bang on
the notes and real feeling.

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

Pitch correction?
 

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:40:30 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.



Don, out of interest what other music have you heard Dolores
O'Riordan-Burton perform? The vast majority (all I think) of what I have
heard, both live (4 concerts) and the recorded work (5 albums) has been
penned by O'Riordan-Burton herself, or else, co-written with fellow band
member Noel Hogan.

As for the "Celtic Yelp" now Sinéad O'Connor yelps, perhaps you are
confusing the two? ;)))

BTW, I saw Sinéad a few years ago at the fleagh at Finsbury Park and
she really was ****e. Her mike was feeding back all the time and the
stuck up bitch didn't do anything about it - just said "well, that's
rock'n'roll". Well, I've news for her - it isn't. The Pogues were
really disappointing too. The Corrs were pretty...

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

Pitch correction?
 

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:40:30 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.



Don, out of interest what other music have you heard Dolores
O'Riordan-Burton perform? The vast majority (all I think) of what I have
heard, both live (4 concerts) and the recorded work (5 albums) has been
penned by O'Riordan-Burton herself, or else, co-written with fellow band
member Noel Hogan.

As for the "Celtic Yelp" now Sinéad O'Connor yelps, perhaps you are
confusing the two? ;)))

BTW, I saw Sinéad a few years ago at the fleagh at Finsbury Park and
she really was ****e. Her mike was feeding back all the time and the
stuck up bitch didn't do anything about it - just said "well, that's
rock'n'roll". Well, I've news for her - it isn't. The Pogues were
really disappointing too. The Corrs were pretty...

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

Pitch correction?
 

Hi,

In message , Ian Bell
writes

Cher released a song a year or so ago when the pitch corrector effect was
deliberately overdone. My wife thinks the song was called 'I believe in
love' or something similar.

Your wife may be thinking of 'Believe'. It's been the subject of entire
threads over on rec.audio.pro, and nobody seems to know exactly how that
effect was done. There is a web article about it at
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/feb99/a.../tracks661.htm
but there seems to be a lot of scepticism about whether this is actually
how the effect was achieved.

--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

Pitch correction?
 

Hi,

In message , Ian Bell
writes

Cher released a song a year or so ago when the pitch corrector effect was
deliberately overdone. My wife thinks the song was called 'I believe in
love' or something similar.

Your wife may be thinking of 'Believe'. It's been the subject of entire
threads over on rec.audio.pro, and nobody seems to know exactly how that
effect was done. There is a web article about it at
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/feb99/a.../tracks661.htm
but there seems to be a lot of scepticism about whether this is actually
how the effect was achieved.

--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

Pitch correction?
 

In message , Stimpy
writes
Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)



The first album was excellent (IMO of course)
--
Chris Morriss

Pitch correction?
 

In message , Stimpy
writes
Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)



The first album was excellent (IMO of course)
--
Chris Morriss

Pitch correction?
 

In message , Don Pearce
writes
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:40:30 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.



Don, out of interest what other music have you heard Dolores
O'Riordan-Burton perform? The vast majority (all I think) of what I have
heard, both live (4 concerts) and the recorded work (5 albums) has been
penned by O'Riordan-Burton herself, or else, co-written with fellow band
member Noel Hogan.

As for the "Celtic Yelp" now Sinéad O'Connor yelps, perhaps you are
confusing the two? ;)))

BTW, I saw Sinéad a few years ago at the fleagh at Finsbury Park and
she really was ****e. Her mike was feeding back all the time and the
stuck up bitch didn't do anything about it - just said "well, that's
rock'n'roll". Well, I've news for her - it isn't. The Pogues were
really disappointing too. The Corrs were pretty...

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

The other Sinead (Lohan) is much better.
--
Chris Morriss

Pitch correction?
 

In message , Don Pearce
writes
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:40:30 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.



Don, out of interest what other music have you heard Dolores
O'Riordan-Burton perform? The vast majority (all I think) of what I have
heard, both live (4 concerts) and the recorded work (5 albums) has been
penned by O'Riordan-Burton herself, or else, co-written with fellow band
member Noel Hogan.

As for the "Celtic Yelp" now Sinéad O'Connor yelps, perhaps you are
confusing the two? ;)))

BTW, I saw Sinéad a few years ago at the fleagh at Finsbury Park and
she really was ****e. Her mike was feeding back all the time and the
stuck up bitch didn't do anything about it - just said "well, that's
rock'n'roll". Well, I've news for her - it isn't. The Pogues were
really disappointing too. The Corrs were pretty...

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

The other Sinead (Lohan) is much better.
--
Chris Morriss

Pitch correction?
 

Don Pearce wrote:


As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally.


( Dido has just the tiniest touch of it as well).


It was a Dido song on the wireless which prompted me to ask the question
in the first place. It wasn't a Cranberries effect but seemed more
consistent in that the note started wrong and quickly corrected itself.
Now if only they could take some Sinatra tapes and give him a
little bit of vocal range. And would those Sid Barrett solo albums lose
their charm if remastered and the vocal track adjusted so that he sang
in tune?

--
Roger.

Pitch correction?
 

Don Pearce wrote:


As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally.


( Dido has just the tiniest touch of it as well).


It was a Dido song on the wireless which prompted me to ask the question
in the first place. It wasn't a Cranberries effect but seemed more
consistent in that the note started wrong and quickly corrected itself.
Now if only they could take some Sinatra tapes and give him a
little bit of vocal range. And would those Sid Barrett solo albums lose
their charm if remastered and the vocal track adjusted so that he sang
in tune?

--
Roger.

Pitch correction?
 

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:41:15 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:40:30 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.



Don, out of interest what other music have you heard Dolores
O'Riordan-Burton perform? The vast majority (all I think) of what I have
heard, both live (4 concerts) and the recorded work (5 albums) has been
penned by O'Riordan-Burton herself, or else, co-written with fellow band
member Noel Hogan.

As for the "Celtic Yelp" now Sinéad O'Connor yelps, perhaps you are
confusing the two? ;)))

Dolores has that strange upward catch in her voice, which I understand
is called a Celtic Yelp ( Dido has just the tiniest touch of it as
well). As for other stuff, I saw her once in a pub doing all sorts of
stuff, folk, blues and modern and she was simply stunning - bang on
the notes and real feeling.


She is simply stunning doing her own work :) I last heard her and the band
back in October of this year. A one off concert in Ireland before they
joined as support to the Stones latest world tour. In fact the first concert
in the North in over four years. My ears are still ringing from the wall of
sound :)


Not that I think there is anything wrong, but the Cranberries' albums IMHO
are full of recording electronic trickery. Layer upon layer of it, think
that's what gives them that particular sound, and her voice ("Celtic Yelp?")
on record IMO is full of reverb, echo and loads of other trickery which is
all beyond me :)


... but Sinéad O'Connor is a different ball game all together. I've heard
her with full blown electric band and I've heard her sing solo (traditional)
unaccompanied, and whilst I very much like Dolores there's simply no
comparison IMO .... just light years ahead with the "Celtic Yelp." :))

OK - I've never really listened to any Cranberries stuff, other than
in passing. My only real experience of her was this low-key pub gig.

As for Sinéad, the first time I saw and heard nothing compares to you
was a real hair-on-the-back-of-the-neck moment. But nothing she has
done since really hits the spot for me, and as for live...

d

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:41:15 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:40:30 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0000, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally. I'm not convinced that they
autotune at all - I believe there is actual singing talent involved.

Ms Or'Riordan might *sound* like a strangled cat but she has a genuinely
pure toned singing voice. It's just a shame she chooses to sing such ****e
;-)

Of course that s a cat of an entirely different colour. I have heard
her singing other music live, and you are right - she can really sing.



Don, out of interest what other music have you heard Dolores
O'Riordan-Burton perform? The vast majority (all I think) of what I have
heard, both live (4 concerts) and the recorded work (5 albums) has been
penned by O'Riordan-Burton herself, or else, co-written with fellow band
member Noel Hogan.

As for the "Celtic Yelp" now Sinéad O'Connor yelps, perhaps you are
confusing the two? ;)))

Dolores has that strange upward catch in her voice, which I understand
is called a Celtic Yelp ( Dido has just the tiniest touch of it as
well). As for other stuff, I saw her once in a pub doing all sorts of
stuff, folk, blues and modern and she was simply stunning - bang on
the notes and real feeling.


She is simply stunning doing her own work :) I last heard her and the band
back in October of this year. A one off concert in Ireland before they
joined as support to the Stones latest world tour. In fact the first concert
in the North in over four years. My ears are still ringing from the wall of
sound :)


Not that I think there is anything wrong, but the Cranberries' albums IMHO
are full of recording electronic trickery. Layer upon layer of it, think
that's what gives them that particular sound, and her voice ("Celtic Yelp?")
on record IMO is full of reverb, echo and loads of other trickery which is
all beyond me :)


... but Sinéad O'Connor is a different ball game all together. I've heard
her with full blown electric band and I've heard her sing solo (traditional)
unaccompanied, and whilst I very much like Dolores there's simply no
comparison IMO .... just light years ahead with the "Celtic Yelp." :))

OK - I've never really listened to any Cranberries stuff, other than
in passing. My only real experience of her was this low-key pub gig.

As for Sinéad, the first time I saw and heard nothing compares to you
was a real hair-on-the-back-of-the-neck moment. But nothing she has
done since really hits the spot for me, and as for live...

d

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Don Pearce wrote:


As for Sinéad, the first time I saw and heard nothing compares to you
was a real hair-on-the-back-of-the-neck moment. But nothing she has
done since really hits the spot for me, and as for live...


You mean "nothing compares to that".

NC2U was apparently written by the artist formerly known as the
artist formerly known as Prince. Anyone heard his version?

--
Roger.

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Don Pearce wrote:


As for Sinéad, the first time I saw and heard nothing compares to you
was a real hair-on-the-back-of-the-neck moment. But nothing she has
done since really hits the spot for me, and as for live...


You mean "nothing compares to that".

NC2U was apparently written by the artist formerly known as the
artist formerly known as Prince. Anyone heard his version?

--
Roger.

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:45:24 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:


As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally.


( Dido has just the tiniest touch of it as well).


It was a Dido song on the wireless which prompted me to ask the question
in the first place. It wasn't a Cranberries effect but seemed more
consistent in that the note started wrong and quickly corrected itself.
Now if only they could take some Sinatra tapes and give him a
little bit of vocal range. And would those Sid Barrett solo albums lose
their charm if remastered and the vocal track adjusted so that he sang
in tune?

I think that for those last it is a question of having confidence
enough in your talent not to need artificial support.

d

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:45:24 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:


As for the Cranberries, that strange vocal thing is called a "Celtic
Yelp" and is produced entirely naturally.


( Dido has just the tiniest touch of it as well).


It was a Dido song on the wireless which prompted me to ask the question
in the first place. It wasn't a Cranberries effect but seemed more
consistent in that the note started wrong and quickly corrected itself.
Now if only they could take some Sinatra tapes and give him a
little bit of vocal range. And would those Sid Barrett solo albums lose
their charm if remastered and the vocal track adjusted so that he sang
in tune?

I think that for those last it is a question of having confidence
enough in your talent not to need artificial support.

d

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:43:35 +0000, Chris Morriss
wrote:

The other Sinead (Lohan) is much better.
--
Chris Morriss

Tell me more...

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:43:35 +0000, Chris Morriss
wrote:

The other Sinead (Lohan) is much better.
--
Chris Morriss

Tell me more...

d

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:55:40 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:


As for Sinéad, the first time I saw and heard nothing compares to you
was a real hair-on-the-back-of-the-neck moment.

Think that was just her whinging in the video. And those were real
tears, btw :)))

It was a supremely brave, exposed performance - particularly for a
debut.

But nothing she has
done since really hits the spot for me, and as for live...


For something a wee bit different try ... 'am I not your girl' ... just
for the sexy album cover at least :)

Now you're talking.

d

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