Hi

I haven't posted for a while, but seeing an amplifier get a rave
review when it has a distortion level of 2.3% rising to 4% at full
output provoked me. Its the Graaf GM20 reviewed in the November issue
of Hi Fi World. Yours for a mere £3,300. Is the world going mad? I
though that the idea was that amplifiers had as little distortion as
possible. 0.1% as Harold Leak used to claim.

What would he have made of all this? He wrote:

'I believe that the individual engineer should be able to derive
pleasure and satisfaction from the knowledge that has come to him from
his endeavours. But he is not being socially useful unless the
knowledge is translated into physical apparatus, which can be made
available to as many people as possible. To do this the price of the
apparatus must be within their spending capacity.'

Views?

Regards

David

"David Houpt" wrote

"To do this the price of the apparatus must be within their spending
capacity"

Its all relative.....I could easily spend that much on an amp for my
collection, and not think it expensive.

But I spoke to a mate yesterday who has just spent about £50,000 on his new
kit.

I can remember when it was hard spending £20 on speaker cable.

Some people will still find it hard to do so.


One of the hi fi mags had £30,000 cables in the other month, if someone
makes it someone will buy it.


HiFi is like cars you can go from a 10 year old £300 car to a £60,000
sports car, there is always someone with the" spending capacity "


regards

Dave xxxxxxx

ps to spend 50,000

sme 20/2a £5,300
krell £11,000
krell £9,000
wilson £12,000
cd? linn cd 12 not sure of price

"David Houpt" wrote

"To do this the price of the apparatus must be within their spending
capacity"

Its all relative.....I could easily spend that much on an amp for my
collection, and not think it expensive.

But I spoke to a mate yesterday who has just spent about £50,000 on his new
kit.

I can remember when it was hard spending £20 on speaker cable.

Some people will still find it hard to do so.


One of the hi fi mags had £30,000 cables in the other month, if someone
makes it someone will buy it.


HiFi is like cars you can go from a 10 year old £300 car to a £60,000
sports car, there is always someone with the" spending capacity "


regards

Dave xxxxxxx

ps to spend 50,000

sme 20/2a £5,300
krell £11,000
krell £9,000
wilson £12,000
cd? linn cd 12 not sure of price

HiFi is like cars you can go from a 10 year old £300 car to a £60,000
sports car, there is always someone with the" spending capacity "

I guess, but would you pay that amount for an amp that distorts by 4%
at full output? Or maybe the reviewers were influenced by the fact
that the amp was the most expensive in the test?

Regards

David

HiFi is like cars you can go from a 10 year old £300 car to a £60,000
sports car, there is always someone with the" spending capacity "

I guess, but would you pay that amount for an amp that distorts by 4%
at full output? Or maybe the reviewers were influenced by the fact
that the amp was the most expensive in the test?

Regards

David

"David Houpt" wrote in message
...
Hi

I haven't posted for a while, but seeing an amplifier get a rave
review when it has a distortion level of 2.3% rising to 4% at full
output provoked me. Its the Graaf GM20 reviewed in the November issue
of Hi Fi World. Yours for a mere £3,300. Is the world going mad? I
though that the idea was that amplifiers had as little distortion as
possible. 0.1% as Harold Leak used to claim.


Sounds OK for a guitar amp.

Oh and if your test material for a £3k amp is Christina Aguilera (see the
review at http://www.ukd.co.uk/scms/news-detail.asp?PKID=24) you're probably
not a full shilling anyway.

Roy.




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"David Houpt" wrote in message
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Hi

I haven't posted for a while, but seeing an amplifier get a rave
review when it has a distortion level of 2.3% rising to 4% at full
output provoked me. Its the Graaf GM20 reviewed in the November issue
of Hi Fi World. Yours for a mere £3,300. Is the world going mad? I
though that the idea was that amplifiers had as little distortion as
possible. 0.1% as Harold Leak used to claim.


Sounds OK for a guitar amp.

Oh and if your test material for a £3k amp is Christina Aguilera (see the
review at http://www.ukd.co.uk/scms/news-detail.asp?PKID=24) you're probably
not a full shilling anyway.

Roy.




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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:06:11 +0000, David Houpt wrote:


HiFi is like cars you can go from a 10 year old £300 car to a £60,000
sports car, there is always someone with the" spending capacity "

I guess, but would you pay that amount for an amp that distorts by 4% at
full output? Or maybe the reviewers were influenced by the fact that the
amp was the most expensive in the test?


I'm *sure* that goes on to a degree. After all, when someone is faced with
a "super hi-fi gizmo" it is sometimes difficult to believe that it could
possibly sound worse than a cheaper alternative.

OTOH, we put up with valve amps quite happily and they can easily be
measured to be inferior to solid state. We actually *like* distortion to a
degree, so perhaps that's the answer.

--
Mick
http://www.nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini information
Also at http://www.mixtel.co.uk where the collection started.
Currently deserting M$ for linux... :-)

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:06:11 +0000, David Houpt wrote:


HiFi is like cars you can go from a 10 year old £300 car to a £60,000
sports car, there is always someone with the" spending capacity "

I guess, but would you pay that amount for an amp that distorts by 4% at
full output? Or maybe the reviewers were influenced by the fact that the
amp was the most expensive in the test?


I'm *sure* that goes on to a degree. After all, when someone is faced with
a "super hi-fi gizmo" it is sometimes difficult to believe that it could
possibly sound worse than a cheaper alternative.

OTOH, we put up with valve amps quite happily and they can easily be
measured to be inferior to solid state. We actually *like* distortion to a
degree, so perhaps that's the answer.

--
Mick
http://www.nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini information
Also at http://www.mixtel.co.uk where the collection started.
Currently deserting M$ for linux... :-)

"Roy" wrote in message

"David Houpt" wrote in message

Hi

I haven't posted for a while, but seeing an amplifier get a rave
review when it has a distortion level of 2.3% rising to 4% at full
output provoked me. Its the Graaf GM20 reviewed in the November issue
of Hi Fi World. Yours for a mere £3,300. Is the world going mad? I
though that the idea was that amplifiers had as little distortion as
possible. 0.1% as Harold Leak used to claim.


Sounds OK for a guitar amp.

Oh and if your test material for a £3k amp is Christina Aguilera (see the
review at you're probably
not a full shilling anyway.

Roy.



There is something about that album by Christina Aguilera, that's
different, she's not my cup of tea, but have heard it, and it is challenging
ok!

I do not care what the figures say for any amp, be it a reported 000.5% or
0.5% I go for mark 1 ears

Dave xxxx