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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:10:30 +0000
Kurt Hamster wrote:

I'd say that you are the dumb one wasting time with pointless exercises
like DBT.

just for the record I have never done a DBT on my gear. I can still hear which of my recordings are bad now my gear is better than it was...

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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:40:44 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:


OK, but very often has other 'effects' like killing the imaging,

given imaging is in the higher freqencies, and the 'rosy' sound has a
rolled off treble I dont see how you can justify that



Are you kidding? - Where do you get this crap from? You don't want to
believe everything you read or you'll be condemning kit 'just by reading the
specs' yourself next!

If you want to read summat, go see the 'Original Measured Performance'
figures on my kit amp page, note the Frequency Response figures, allow, say
10-20% margin for 'wishful thinking' and tell me what it's doing to mess up
the treble on my (probably) 15 kHz upper hearing limit.....

(You would have been better to throw rocks at my predilection for vinyl as
have a go at my choice of amp if you want to talk bandwidth figures.... ;-)

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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:40:44 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:


OK, but very often has other 'effects' like killing the imaging,

given imaging is in the higher freqencies, and the 'rosy' sound has a
rolled off treble I dont see how you can justify that



Are you kidding? - Where do you get this crap from? You don't want to
believe everything you read or you'll be condemning kit 'just by reading the
specs' yourself next!

If you want to read summat, go see the 'Original Measured Performance'
figures on my kit amp page, note the Frequency Response figures, allow, say
10-20% margin for 'wishful thinking' and tell me what it's doing to mess up
the treble on my (probably) 15 kHz upper hearing limit.....

(You would have been better to throw rocks at my predilection for vinyl as
have a go at my choice of amp if you want to talk bandwidth figures.... ;-)

"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
 

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:16:10 +0000 (GMT)
Jim Lesurf wrote:


One problem, though, is that one of the effects that most
'traditional' valve power amp designs produce is a result of their
(relatively) high output impedance interacting with the speaker
impedance.

darn, I knew I didnt write that clearly enough... I meant a preset that
made a linear amp sound like a trad. valve amp. for all I care the
effect could come from a DSP ;-)

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:16:10 +0000 (GMT)
Jim Lesurf wrote:


One problem, though, is that one of the effects that most
'traditional' valve power amp designs produce is a result of their
(relatively) high output impedance interacting with the speaker
impedance.

darn, I knew I didnt write that clearly enough... I meant a preset that
made a linear amp sound like a trad. valve amp. for all I care the
effect could come from a DSP ;-)

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:14:29 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:


What I'm curious about is what valve amp have you got that you don't
use?

God knows. its in an old valve radio that I would have on display as a
talking piece that works too, except the front glass got smashed :-(

it does sound nice though, for voice stuff. Not sure I'd listen to music
on it for too long but thats my preference.

just say some people prefer a system that modifies the sound, others
dont.


All systems modify sound - if it ain't the amp, the speakers'll do
it.......

You can only AIM for perfection...

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:14:29 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:


What I'm curious about is what valve amp have you got that you don't
use?

God knows. its in an old valve radio that I would have on display as a
talking piece that works too, except the front glass got smashed :-(

it does sound nice though, for voice stuff. Not sure I'd listen to music
on it for too long but thats my preference.

just say some people prefer a system that modifies the sound, others
dont.


All systems modify sound - if it ain't the amp, the speakers'll do
it.......

You can only AIM for perfection...

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"Wally" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

Except for when you wrote...

Ah, but I *knew* you were a 'suitable case for treatment' - the proof
was that you *already* have got a valve amp!

Retrospectve 20-20 hindsight claims aren't valid here


Oh yes they - or there wouldn't be half the posts we see now!


- you have to bull****
your way out of it properly. :-)


OK, I'll do better next time. But now go and find a post or two where I've
said 'valves aren't for everybody'..... :-)



Anyway, I only have a valve amp because I wanted one, and because my
ability
to operate a soldering iron meant that I could get one quite cheaply. I
still maintain that the best way to hear the valve sound is to crank up a
guitar amp - but I wouldn't want my hi-fi amp to go into a mode like that.


Unless you were playing that guitar amp sound through it?

:-)

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"Wally" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

Except for when you wrote...

Ah, but I *knew* you were a 'suitable case for treatment' - the proof
was that you *already* have got a valve amp!

Retrospectve 20-20 hindsight claims aren't valid here


Oh yes they - or there wouldn't be half the posts we see now!


- you have to bull****
your way out of it properly. :-)


OK, I'll do better next time. But now go and find a post or two where I've
said 'valves aren't for everybody'..... :-)



Anyway, I only have a valve amp because I wanted one, and because my
ability
to operate a soldering iron meant that I could get one quite cheaply. I
still maintain that the best way to hear the valve sound is to crank up a
guitar amp - but I wouldn't want my hi-fi amp to go into a mode like that.


Unless you were playing that guitar amp sound through it?

:-)

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Keith G wrote:

Retrospectve 20-20 hindsight claims aren't valid here

Oh yes they - or there wouldn't be half the posts we see now!

Ah, okay... I was right all along - I *knew* that adding a DAC would be a
good thing!



- you have to bull****
your way out of it properly. :-)

OK, I'll do better next time. But now go and find a post or two where
I've said 'valves aren't for everybody'..... :-)

Don't the rules for this forum state that acquiescent commentary should be
diregarded? ;-)


Anyway, I only have a valve amp because I wanted one, and because my
ability to operate a soldering iron meant that I could get one quite
cheaply. I still maintain that the best way to hear the valve sound
is to crank up a guitar amp - but I wouldn't want my hi-fi amp to go
into a mode like that.

Unless you were playing that guitar amp sound through it?

No, I get the guitar amp sound out of the guitar amp. The hi-fi amp may well
introduce valve distortion when cranked, but I suspect it would sound a
little different from the guitar amp. For the hi-fi amp to *reproduce* the
sound of the guitar amp, it has to be non-cranked.


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