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This works now wrote:

Does the fact that opinions are maybe 10:1 against an expensive cable
making any difference whatsoever suggest anything to you?

Yup, some people have cloth ears ...!
Or maybe some people don't take it seriously enough?
Or they haven't got a clue what they are listening for?
Or lots of other reasons....!

I have some snake oil here you might be interested in purchasing ;-)

Yeah, it would be a great lubricant for this bridge I've got up for
sale...

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Glenn Booth

This works now wrote:

That's because you are probably already smitten with the idea that
most cables sound the same.
While I think that they can make a system sound different.

Neither of us might be willing to actually "give in" our views even
if it was demonstrated that either of us was wrong.

As I understand it, Stewart has a standing offer, whereby he'll give a grand
to anyone that can identify high-end cables from run-of-the-mill decent
stuff in a blind test. All you have to do is turn up and state "good 'un" or
"cheap 'un" a number of times, correctly, and you walk out a grand richer.

If I lived near him, I'd give it a go just for the hell of it. Even if I
couldn't tell the difference, I'd get a listen to his system and find out if
he makes decent coffee...


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This works now wrote:

That's because you are probably already smitten with the idea that
most cables sound the same.
While I think that they can make a system sound different.

Neither of us might be willing to actually "give in" our views even
if it was demonstrated that either of us was wrong.

As I understand it, Stewart has a standing offer, whereby he'll give a grand
to anyone that can identify high-end cables from run-of-the-mill decent
stuff in a blind test. All you have to do is turn up and state "good 'un" or
"cheap 'un" a number of times, correctly, and you walk out a grand richer.

If I lived near him, I'd give it a go just for the hell of it. Even if I
couldn't tell the difference, I'd get a listen to his system and find out if
he makes decent coffee...


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
Moving soon to: www.artbywally.com

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:24:24 GMT
"This works now" wrote:

Are we going to get trapped in the scientific numbers game that
because a particular number is too high or too low, then it must be
"right" or"wrong".

Yes, absolutely, in this case.

Fact is: You've (hopefully) used your ears and brain and decided that
all TosLink cables sound the same. I did the same, maybe with other
products, and came up with a different result.

Ok, would you care to tell me *WHY* you think the cable can make a
difference?

fact is the signal is digital. therefore you can either reconstruct it
at the other end without errors, or you cant.

If you were getting ANY errors, you'd be getting a lot of them - to the
point of destroying the audio signal utterly, so lets assume that you
were not getting errors with either cable.

Since TOSlink has the clock signal encoded along with the data, then,
the 'accuracy' of the system depends on two things:

1) the Accuracy of the host clock
2) the quality of the PLL in the receiver.

So the only thing that will affect sound quality would be if the fibre
was somehow introducing *large* amounts of jitter into the signal.

If you found a brand of (TOSlink) fibre that does the opposite, I know a
lot of telcos that would be interested in obtaining your 'high bandwidth
cheap multi-mode fibre'. They'd pay millions, Im sure.

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:24:24 GMT
"This works now" wrote:

Are we going to get trapped in the scientific numbers game that
because a particular number is too high or too low, then it must be
"right" or"wrong".

Yes, absolutely, in this case.

Fact is: You've (hopefully) used your ears and brain and decided that
all TosLink cables sound the same. I did the same, maybe with other
products, and came up with a different result.

Ok, would you care to tell me *WHY* you think the cable can make a
difference?

fact is the signal is digital. therefore you can either reconstruct it
at the other end without errors, or you cant.

If you were getting ANY errors, you'd be getting a lot of them - to the
point of destroying the audio signal utterly, so lets assume that you
were not getting errors with either cable.

Since TOSlink has the clock signal encoded along with the data, then,
the 'accuracy' of the system depends on two things:

1) the Accuracy of the host clock
2) the quality of the PLL in the receiver.

So the only thing that will affect sound quality would be if the fibre
was somehow introducing *large* amounts of jitter into the signal.

If you found a brand of (TOSlink) fibre that does the opposite, I know a
lot of telcos that would be interested in obtaining your 'high bandwidth
cheap multi-mode fibre'. They'd pay millions, Im sure.

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ketchup.

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:17:42 GMT
"This works now" wrote:

But at least I can spell on my website...!

I notice you dont have the balls to put the URL here...

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:17:42 GMT
"This works now" wrote:

But at least I can spell on my website...!

I notice you dont have the balls to put the URL here...

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:10:47 GMT
"This works now" wrote:

The problem I see with anyone who wants to pay a reward is that what
we need is a third party whop doesn't know the difference between any
two products under comparison.

nice try. there are tests you can do without knowing which is which.

you could run BOTH fibres to a listening room, and have a computer
randomly select an input, then change it back and forth randomly. you
note when you think it changed. after you compare your findings to the
computer. if you were reliable, you win.

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:10:47 GMT
"This works now" wrote:

The problem I see with anyone who wants to pay a reward is that what
we need is a third party whop doesn't know the difference between any
two products under comparison.

nice try. there are tests you can do without knowing which is which.

you could run BOTH fibres to a listening room, and have a computer
randomly select an input, then change it back and forth randomly. you
note when you think it changed. after you compare your findings to the
computer. if you were reliable, you win.

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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:13:36 +0000
Glenn Booth wrote:

Yeah, it would be a great lubricant for this bridge I've got up for
sale...

Just had an amusing thought about what you could do with a lubricated bridge ;-)

does it have any trolls under it ? ;-)

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