Here ya go darlin's - knock yerselves out on these speaker cables:

Siltech Signature G6 - only £30,000 a pair......

Find 'em on http://www.siltechcables.com/nfhomepa.html

Noise floor of 180 dB - how can they *not* be worth the money?

Beats the crap out of that 79 strand 70p/m unbranded ****e you lot
use.......

(Dave Whitter's already got a pair on order... :-)

Keith G in uk.rec.audio:

Here ya go darlin's - knock yerselves out on these speaker cables:

Siltech Signature G6 - only £30,000 a pair......

Find 'em on http://www.siltechcables.com/nfhomepa.html

Noise floor of 180 dB - how can they *not* be worth the money?

Beats the crap out of that 79 strand 70p/m unbranded ****e you lot
use.......

(Dave Whitter's already got a pair on order... :-)

What I don't get is why someone who needs THAT good a signal transfer would
use phono plugs anyway?

By my understanding pros use quite ordinary quality XLR cable, because by
design it is almost immune to noise.

I wonder why XLR hasn't filtered down to the mass market? It couldn't be
because they do quite well selling us overdesigned phono cable!

--
Jim H

In article ,
Jim H wrote:
By my understanding pros use quite ordinary quality XLR cable, because
by design it is almost immune to noise.

There's no such thing as XLR cable - an XLR is the connector. And the
cable used with these is balanced twin screened. It also comes in several
different flavours. ;-)

I wonder why XLR hasn't filtered down to the mass market? It couldn't be
because they do quite well selling us overdesigned phono cable!

Creating balanced inputs and outputs costs - and introduces extra
electronics since possibly most domestic gear is unbalanced internally.
And XLR connectors are really designed for heavy duty use - domestic
equipment doesn't normally get unplugged each time it's used.

--
*Could it be that "I do " is the longest sentence? *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Dave Plowman in uk.rec.audio:

In article ,
Jim H wrote:
By my understanding pros use quite ordinary quality XLR cable,
because by design it is almost immune to noise.

There's no such thing as XLR cable - an XLR is the connector. And the
cable used with these is balanced twin screened. It also comes in
several different flavours. ;-)

In the same way as there's no such thing as a phono cable.

I wonder why XLR hasn't filtered down to the mass market? It couldn't
be because they do quite well selling us overdesigned phono cable!

Creating balanced inputs and outputs costs - and introduces extra
electronics since possibly most domestic gear is unbalanced
internally. And XLR connectors are really designed for heavy duty use
- domestic equipment doesn't normally get unplugged each time it's
used.

My point was that as soon as you need to spend £30k on a cable, you should
be using studio-quality technology, which should be ballanced internally.

--
Jim H

My point was that as soon as you need to spend £30k on a cable, you should
be using studio-quality technology, which should be ballanced internally.

Could you elaborate what you mean by"balanced internally"?

"Jim H" wrote in message


By my understanding pros use quite ordinary quality XLR cable,
because by design it is almost immune to noise.

It's not the cable, its the equipment at both ends that makes the
difference.

There are three main differences between consumer and true audio production
grade equipment vis-a-vis inputs and outputs:

(1) Balanced I/O. Audio production equipment sends the signal down two wires
in the audio cable, with opposite polarity. Consumer equipment sends only
one signal. The benefit comes at the receiving end where the signals are
subtracted, canceling out any noise that is picked up by both wires and
doubling the desired signal.

(2) Higher signal levels. CD players generate some of the highest working
voltages of any piece of consumer audio equipment, which generally peak out
at about 2 volts. Audio production equipment generally works with signals
that peak out at 6.8 volts or more, often quite a bit more.

(3) Lower impedances. Consumer audio gear generally involves input
impedances of 100K, 50K, 2K, but rarely lower. Audio production equipment
has input impedances of no more than 20K, often 10K frequently 6.8 K or 2K
and sometimes as low as 600 ohms. Low impedance inputs are less susceptible
to interference and generate less thermal noise.

I wonder why XLR hasn't filtered down to the mass market?

Mass market systems are simple and relatively non-critical. Audio production
equipment is often used in complex setups which are more prone to have
grounding problems and pickup other kinds of noise.

It couldn't be because they do quite well selling us overdesigned phono
cable!

That would be the high end...

To be fair, there is some high end equipment that uses balanced I/O and
standard audio production signal levels and impedances.

What a waste of money for such little gain.

--
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Nathan Higgins in uk.rec.audio:

What a waste of money for such little gain.

No gain. Consider that you could travel the world seeking out the best
*live* music for the price of that cable.

--
Jim H

"Keith G" wrote
Here ya go darlin's - knock yerselves out on these speaker cables:

Siltech Signature G6 - only £30,000 a pair......

Find 'em on http://www.siltechcables.com/nfhomepa.html

Noise floor of 180 dB - how can they *not* be worth the money?

Beats the crap out of that 79 strand 70p/m unbranded ****e you lot
use.......


Keith said......
(Dave Whitter's already got a pair on order... :-)

Just spent a few bob on Russ Andrews Kimber 8TC and 4TC for all three
systems :-) very nice

after that its going to be a power purifier block, then thats it for this
year!!!!

UNLESS I can get a good deal with Quad for another pair of Quad II-forties
amps so I can bi amp me 804's

regards

Dave xxxxxx

Here ya go darlin's - knock yerselves out on these speaker cables:

Siltech Signature G6 - only £30,000 a pair......

Find 'em on http://www.siltechcables.com/nfhomepa.html


Mmmmmm yea in this months Hi-Fi news :-)

I'm gonna dream tonight of these gorgeous pair of beuties transforming my
Hi-Fi into another dimension!

Yea baby yea...... how's my sweet jar looking :-)

Steve