Tim Martin wrote:
"Patric" wrote in message
...

"It might also help a reasonable person to understand why many people of
Irish extraction don't exactly hald the English is very high regard"

It's worth noting that that attitude is mainly displayed by non-Irish people
"of Irish extraction"; the Irish and English themselves get on fine ...
Lots of us have dual citizenship, being Irish Citizens and British Citizens.

Tim


Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities and individuals
is a well-documented issue, and *remains* an institutionalised aspect of
British society. I - and I'm sure may who read this NG - have first hand
experience of the process.

Rob

"Rob" wrote in message
...

Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an
institutionalised aspect of
British society.

Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to
my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it.

Tim

Tim Martin wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...

Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an

institutionalised aspect of

British society.


Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to
my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it.

Tim



Fair enough :-).

Take a quick look at http://www.cre.gov.uk/downloads/irinbrit.pdf -
plenty of documented evidence, although rather sketchy. Examples of
stereotypes - and that is what they are - can be found much closer to
home. In this very thread in fact.

As to why people hold these attitudes and assuming you can take them as
a 'given', the answer is complex and controversial. It's basically the
same as the answer to 'why racism?'. I have an informed opinion -
rather OT for this group ;-).

If you fancy trying this out, go into a pub with a 'No travellers' sign
in the window, and strike up a conversation about the benefits of ethnic
diversity with the locals. Make sure you have a clear route to the door.

Rob

On Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:20 +0000 (UTC), Rob
wrote:

Tim Martin wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...

Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an

institutionalised aspect of

British society.


Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to
my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it.

Tim



Fair enough :-).

Take a quick look at http://www.cre.gov.uk/downloads/irinbrit.pdf -
plenty of documented evidence, although rather sketchy. Examples of
stereotypes - and that is what they are - can be found much closer to
home. In this very thread in fact.

As to why people hold these attitudes and assuming you can take them as
a 'given', the answer is complex and controversial. It's basically the
same as the answer to 'why racism?'. I have an informed opinion -
rather OT for this group ;-).

If you fancy trying this out, go into a pub with a 'No travellers' sign
in the window, and strike up a conversation about the benefits of ethnic
diversity with the locals. Make sure you have a clear route to the door.

Rob

I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no
discrimination. Certainly I have several Irish friends who have never
talked to me about any troubles. On the other hand, while travelling
in the Republic, I have encountered some anti-British racism. It was
very much a minority thing, though, and it came from the kind of
moronic neanderthal who would be a racist wherever he lived.

As for the "No travellers" thing - that is rather different. There are
certainly considerable problems associated with traveller communities.
They tend to leave scenes of devastation in their wake when they leave
a district, and hugely inflated crime rates while they are present.
Whether they are Irish or not simply isn't an issue. On the other
hand, perhaps you are the one making the racial link with trouble...

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce said:

I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no
discrimination.

Uh.... you're English, right?

In the States, I've heard white people say they believe discrimination
against black people is exaggerated by the media, or by social activists,
or by politicians, or by Professional Victims. The truth is that no white
person can really know how much and what kind of discrimination black
people encounter.

Remember the movie "Watermelon Man"? Maybe you could sponsor a Limerick
Man project, in which a Limey goes undercover to see what it's like for
someone who comes from the other side of the Irish Sea.

On Sat, 07 May 2005 08:53:14 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote:



Don Pearce said:

I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no
discrimination.

Uh.... you're English, right?

In the States, I've heard white people say they believe discrimination
against black people is exaggerated by the media, or by social activists,
or by politicians, or by Professional Victims. The truth is that no white
person can really know how much and what kind of discrimination black
people encounter.

Remember the movie "Watermelon Man"? Maybe you could sponsor a Limerick
Man project, in which a Limey goes undercover to see what it's like for
someone who comes from the other side of the Irish Sea.



Limey - 'scuse me? And you decided to snip the rest of my post, where
I mentioned some discrimination against me, but I guess that doesn't
suit your agenda.

As I said, my Irish friends are very happy here, and encounter no
discrimination.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce said:

Remember the movie "Watermelon Man"? Maybe you could sponsor a Limerick
Man project, in which a Limey goes undercover to see what it's like for
someone who comes from the other side of the Irish Sea.

Limey - 'scuse me? And you decided to snip the rest of my post, where
I mentioned some discrimination against me, but I guess that doesn't
suit your agenda.

It's only a discussion, not an agenda. I don't care if you and the Micks
want to slaughter each other over who gets to speak for "God". Your
business.

As I said, my Irish friends are very happy here, and encounter no
discrimination.

I'll bet they've learned to pass. :-)

Seriously, though, I've never witnessed any discrimination against black
people at first-hand, yet I believe it's widespread. Maybe my lack of
direct knowledge is a result of my own discrimination in terms of the
people I hang with. I daresay you wouldn't want to be around people who
trash the Irish or any other group.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Don Pearce said:

I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no
discrimination.

Uh.... you're English, right?

In the States, I've heard white people say they believe discrimination
against black people is exaggerated by the media, or by social activists,
or by politicians, or by Professional Victims. The truth is that no white
person can really know how much and what kind of discrimination black
people encounter.

Remember the movie "Watermelon Man"? Maybe you could sponsor a Limerick
Man project, in which a Limey goes undercover to see what it's like for
someone who comes from the other side of the Irish Sea.

I lived in London for many years and am still a regular visitor. It is
simply too multicultural and multi-ethnic a city to make any sort of racism
or discrimination seem commonplace.

If you did experience any, it was more the exception than the rule.

I lived in London for many years and am still a regular visitor. It is simply too multicultural and multi-ethnic a city to make
any sort of racism or discrimination seem commonplace.

xenophobia != racism

On Sat, 07 May 2005 08:53:14 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote:




Man project, in which a Limey goes undercover to see what it's like for
someone who comes from the other side of the Irish Sea.

HOW ABOUT A CROSS POSTER WHO GETS BURIED AT SEA???

HEY DICKHEAD DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND POST TO A RELEVANT GROUP. AND
STOP CROSSPOSTING TO NEWSGROUPS THAT DON'T GIVE A RATS ARSE ABOUT
THIS TOPIC.