Also Michael, look at the reduced growth during the depression, if this
growth rate were the normal then the US would not have anything like the
population it does today. Because one country may not achieve the growth
Patrick is proposing doesn't mean another country hasn't achieved it. A
demographer you're not Michael.


"Michael Conzo" wrote in message
...
"Patric" wrote:

I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2
million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately
160 years since the Famine emigration began.

A demographer you're not.

The population of China in 1850 was about 450,000,000. By your analysis,
China (also until recently with extremely large families) should have a
population of almost 5 billion now.

Your statistics are dodgy by a factor of at least four.

And Michael, just to prove a point....
In June 1995, Australia's population was 18.1 million, almost twice the size
it was 40 years ago, and four times the size in 1910.

Please fine this info at the following Aust. Gov. web address..


"Michael Conzo" wrote in message
...
"Patric" wrote:

I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2
million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately
160 years since the Famine emigration began.

A demographer you're not.

The population of China in 1850 was about 450,000,000. By your analysis,
China (also until recently with extremely large families) should have a
population of almost 5 billion now.

Your statistics are dodgy by a factor of at least four.

"Patric" wrote in message
...

"It might also help a reasonable person to understand why many people of
Irish extraction don't exactly hald the English is very high regard"

It's worth noting that that attitude is mainly displayed by non-Irish people
"of Irish extraction"; the Irish and English themselves get on fine ...
Lots of us have dual citizenship, being Irish Citizens and British Citizens.

Tim

On Sat, 07 May 2005 09:00:14 GMT, "Tim Martin"
wrote:


"Patric" wrote in message
.. .

"It might also help a reasonable person to understand why many people of
Irish extraction don't exactly hald the English is very high regard"

It's worth noting that that attitude is mainly displayed by non-Irish people
"of Irish extraction"; the Irish and English themselves get on fine ...
Lots of us have dual citizenship, being Irish Citizens and British Citizens.

Tim


Probably because the foreign Irish aren't as well versed in history. I
was Cromwell who did most of the unpleasant stuff to the Irish. While
he has doing that, he was screwing the English over comprehensively as
well.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...

Probably because the foreign Irish aren't as well versed in history.

I sometimes think that people who buy books are as gullible as those who buy
hi-fi. People have a stunning capacity for believing nonsense.

For what it's worth ,my advice to anyone interested in learning about Irish
history is:

1) Search out books on Irish history written by Irish historians working at
Irish universities. That's the best way I can think of to ensure that the
books are based on factual Irish history.

2) Ignore any specific recommendations for books. There's just too much
political propagandaout there, exploited by pot-boiler authors whose aim is
to make money rather than enlighten. And the more sensational the author's
claims, the more money made.

Tim

On Sat, 07 May 2005 09:59:21 GMT, "Tim Martin"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...

Probably because the foreign Irish aren't as well versed in history.

I sometimes think that people who buy books are as gullible as those who buy
hi-fi. People have a stunning capacity for believing nonsense.

For what it's worth ,my advice to anyone interested in learning about Irish
history is:

1) Search out books on Irish history written by Irish historians working at
Irish universities. That's the best way I can think of to ensure that the
books are based on factual Irish history.


Disagree here. What you will get in any history book - particularly
one written by someone with a personal agenda or interest will always
be a partial account. Read books from both sides, discard 90% of each
as nonsense and you have half a chance of getting something solid.

2) Ignore any specific recommendations for books. There's just too much
political propagandaout there, exploited by pot-boiler authors whose aim is
to make money rather than enlighten. And the more sensational the author's
claims, the more money made.

Tim


See me answer to 1).

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Tim Martin wrote:
"Patric" wrote in message
...

"It might also help a reasonable person to understand why many people of
Irish extraction don't exactly hald the English is very high regard"

It's worth noting that that attitude is mainly displayed by non-Irish people
"of Irish extraction"; the Irish and English themselves get on fine ...
Lots of us have dual citizenship, being Irish Citizens and British Citizens.

Tim


Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities and individuals
is a well-documented issue, and *remains* an institutionalised aspect of
British society. I - and I'm sure may who read this NG - have first hand
experience of the process.

Rob

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Sat, 07 May 2005 14:39:52 +1000, Michael Conzo
wrote:


"Patric" wrote:


I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2
million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately
160 years since the Famine emigration began.

A demographer you're not.


And he's not Irish-American, either.


The population of China in 1850 was about 450,000,000. By your analysis,
China (also until recently with extremely large families) should have a
population of almost 5 billion now.

Your statistics are dodgy by a factor of at least four.


Well, de Oirish was always a bit tick, boyo..............

Is that supposed to be funny?

Rob

"Rob" wrote in message
...

Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an
institutionalised aspect of
British society.

Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to
my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it.

Tim

Tim Martin wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...

Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an

institutionalised aspect of

British society.


Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to
my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it.

Tim



Fair enough :-).

Take a quick look at http://www.cre.gov.uk/downloads/irinbrit.pdf -
plenty of documented evidence, although rather sketchy. Examples of
stereotypes - and that is what they are - can be found much closer to
home. In this very thread in fact.

As to why people hold these attitudes and assuming you can take them as
a 'given', the answer is complex and controversial. It's basically the
same as the answer to 'why racism?'. I have an informed opinion -
rather OT for this group ;-).

If you fancy trying this out, go into a pub with a 'No travellers' sign
in the window, and strike up a conversation about the benefits of ethnic
diversity with the locals. Make sure you have a clear route to the door.

Rob