Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Nope, it's just an extreme form of obsessive behaviour, hard-wired
more into males than females. Some of us would consider it to be more
of a next evolutionary step, than an ailment......

Agreed.

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Depends on where in the spectrum you are doesn't it?

No.


Yes it does. The world is crammed with functional borderline AS folks
- and most of them work in IT!

The above use of spectrum I may have misinterpretted based on the
earlier context of Kurts 'asperger spectrum'.

If its taken to mean 'Autistic spectrum' then I know a couple of HFAs
who are exceptionally good in politics. I know of *no* AS people who are
though.

I do see a lot of AS people finding fairly high places in clubs /
institutions, however, where their expertise in their subject/obsession
is an asset.

Kurt Hamster wrote:

I guess that makes you normal then... :-/


Nope, just better than you at coping.

I guess Im not the only one missing textual subtelties then...

Oddly enough I havent met a single adult aspie who considers themself to
be a sufferer. I wonder why you are the odd one out?

Likewise I've never heard any refer to themselves as an "aspie".

Which is odd as 100% of the many I know do. (ranging from 16 through to
60 yars old)

What would you prefer? A flange of ASs, a pride, a school?

how about 'group' ? we ARE still human beings...

I lost the second I was born.

Now whos using it as an excuse?

Oh, right, its a 'sort of' spectrum now is it? what next? a quasi
spectrum? a 'nearly' spectrum? a non-continuous spectrum? an aspectral
spectrum?

I specifically used "sort of" in several of my messages. Go back and
have a look.

No thanks. I'd prefer you to just explain what a "sort of" spectrum is.

They dont. they talk of 'autistic spectrum disorders', of which AS and
Kanners autism are part (among others).

'They' talk of autistics being at different ends/stages of the spectrum.
That's why it's called a spectrum, duh!

Autistics, yes. NOT aspies. its the AUTISTIC spectrum, not the asperger
spectrum.

and I've NEVER heard ANYONE call the positions on the spectrum "stages".
Are you seriously suggesting that people can progress along the
spectrum? (hint: PDD/Autistic disorder definitions preclude the possibility)

I'm not the one bleating about having AS. You would never have known if
I hadn't told you. Whereas you...

Stewart I'd suspected, Jim I still suspect. You I may never have
guessed, you're far too... ugh.

I made ONE offhand remark about my AS and you seem to consider it
'bleating'. shrug

I've been name calling for days, it just suits your purposes to mention
the fact now.

Doesnt make your practice any less infantile.

Huh? I mentioned it *once* in a fairly offhand remark, and thats parading?

So how did I know of your AS since at least January of this year?

Well I only have your word on that, but as Im sporadically active on a
few public as/autism fora, possibly from that. I also make no great
secret of my AS - and why should I ?

mentioned AS? yes I did. as an excuse? no, I did not.

Why mention it at all?

One more time...

I mentioned it because the idea of an AS politician struck me as rather
amusing.

I've lived with AS for 44 years, you've done it for a paltry 26.

Oooh oooh, the rodent is older than me...

Perhaps you'll die sooner too...

Who's
statistically (so you can lean on your penchant for numbers) likely to
have a better innate understanding of the condition and the requirements
of coping?

Statistics mean f*ck all in this instance...

There's every likelihood *I'm* out of date, you see I don't have much
interest in the technicalities of AS. I'm far more concerned with living
my life than I am about dealing with a label.

Same here. If you want some interest in the technicalities, ask my SWMBO
(or yours, perhaps). I just know the basics, and dont really care beyond
that. You appear not to even know the basics, which is fine, and your
right - just dont bother parading your half-knowledge as though its a fact.

FFS, I've already stated that AS is included in the autistic spectrum,
several times in fact.

Word twisting again? you keep referring to an "AS spectrum" not an
autistic spectrum.

There are also degrees of AS, as is apparent by the difference between
you and I.

However (if you are AS at all) you and I share the common criteria for
diagnosis, which (for example) we DONT share with (say) kanners, HFA,
PDD/NOS.

AS people are allowed to have their own personality... doesnt make them
any less AS though.

I wonder how many people you have informed that you are AS this month?

Outright told? none at all. in fact THIS month, my offhand remark about
politics may well be the only mention of AS from me.

Nope, it's just an extreme form of obsessive behaviour, hard-wired
more into males than females. Some of us would consider it to be more
of a next evolutionary step, than an ailment.....

And how do you know about all this?

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:46:34 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:20:53 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Want an extreme example? - There are some people who will listen to 78s
of,
say Caruso or Gobbi, on an acoustic gramaphone (albeit a high quality
one)
and wouldn't thank you for anything else. Accurate? - A bit unlikely,
but
probably *exactly* what they want to hear....!!

That's not *quite* as daft as it sounds, since the records were
produced with that replay equipment in mind. In the same vein, the
best experience of watching 'Casablanca' and 'Blonde Venus' I ever had
was in the Brattle Theatre in Cambridge MA, which has a pukka 4:3
'silver screen' and a pair of 'Voice of the Theater' speakers, just
like the director would have used to view the film.


Just the once, the smell of fresh coffee wafted your way then? ;-)

Frequently - I need it to keep awake while reading your posts! :-)


Oh dear, I hope you are not up all night on them....???


OTOH, I don't see the need to listen to Miles Davis via open-reel tape
and valves.....................


Funnily enough, neither do I.....

"Tat Chan" wrote in message
...
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:



Regrettably, that does indeed seem to be the case! Where's the
genuinely *new* music, instead of retro this, tribute that, and
horribly overproduced crap from talentless 'pop idles'? :-(

uhm ... Radiohead, Mercury Rev, Sigur Ros, Wilco, Belle & Sebastian
to name a few bands ... (of course, they all have their influences, but
who doesn't?)


Sigur Ros?

Hmmm, I've got a copy of a promo (of a never-released CD) here - it hadn't
struck me as anything *too* special. I'll have to give it another spin on me
new (Chinese valved) CD setup.....

Kurt Hamster wrote:

I guess Im not the only one missing textual subtelties then...


Not missed, just ignored.

Fair enough. Funnily enough I was expecting that reply.

Which is odd as 100% of the many I know do. (ranging from 16 through to
60 yars old)


Given that you live in a different part of the country I don't find it
odd at all.

Who said it had anything to do with geography? I know only one other
aspie in my local area. the rest are friends off the 'net (whom I *have*
met IRL many times).

What would you prefer? A flange of ASs, a pride, a school?

how about 'group' ? we ARE still human beings...

Hear we go again... do you remember my comment early on in this
subthread? "Person first, AS second"?

And? you seem to insist on calling a group of aspies a 'spectrum'. You
asked what I would call it, I answered 'a group'. Nothing to see here.

I lost the second I was born.

Now whos using it as an excuse?

Cute snippage eh?

Serves you right.

No thanks. I'd prefer you to just explain what a "sort of" spectrum is.

A range of abilities you ****wit.

so, not really a 'spectrum' at all then?

hint: a spectrum is a *continuous* set of something - eg. the visible
light spectrum is a continuous range of wavelengths between 400-700nm.

red is a subset of the above, however one wouldnt normally talk about a
'spectrum' of red light.

The distinction between when something is and is not a spectrum appears
to be somewhat arbitrary, however - visible light is part of the entire
electromagnetic spectrum...

Regardless, you are the only person of all those I know (including a
good number of experts in the field) who describes *AS* as a spectrum.


Autistics, yes. NOT aspies. its the AUTISTIC spectrum, not the asperger
spectrum.

Oh FFS, are you maintaining that all AS have identical abilities and
symptoms?

Of course not. they do, however, share a common syndrome (that means
collection of symptoms, btw).

and I've NEVER heard ANYONE call the positions on the spectrum "stages".
Are you seriously suggesting that people can progress along the
spectrum? (hint: PDD/Autistic disorder definitions preclude the possibility)

So you haven't heard it so it doesn't exist eh?

No, however, given the ammount of stuff I hear about this from my
partner (among others) I'd be very surprised to hear a term of reference
that I hadnt already come across. Indeed, on checking, my SWMBO is
equally as unaware of your term as I, and given even you already said
you would rather take her word than your own, well, QED...

Are you starting to understand the context of my use of 'spectrum' now?

No. your persistent abuse of the term is still nonsensical to me.

Huh? I mentioned it *once* in a fairly offhand remark, and thats parading?

So how did I know of your AS since at least January of this year?

Well I only have your word on that, but as Im sporadically active on a
few public as/autism fora, possibly from that. I also make no great
secret of my AS - and why should I ?

Nope, this NG. Try googling for 'Hamster' and 'Asperger' and limit the
search to uk.rec.audio

Yep, a post in january seems to be there. fair enough. You *did* note
the 'I make no greas secret of my AS' in the line above. still, that
makes twice in a year, not once a month, so you're only out by at
*least* a factor of 6...

I mentioned it because the idea of an AS politician struck me as rather
amusing.

So why did we need to be told?

Dunno. why did you feel the need to publicly tell me you think I should
be a politician, in an audio NG?

I suspect you enjoy the attention of being different, your choice of OS
supports that view.

I chose my OS for reliability and stability, nothing to do with being
different. Its also the best platform for many of my projects, due to
its open nature.

I also enjoy hacking, writing drivers, etc. Have you bothered to read my
website?

And wiser, and more cynical...

More modest too... ;-D

Statistics mean f*ck all in this instance...

Only because they don't show you in a good light.

no. just because you've had 18 extra years doesnt mean you put them to
good use. heck, you ndont even seem to have put the previous 26 to good
use either...

FFS, I've already stated that AS is included in the autistic spectrum,
several times in fact.

Word twisting again? you keep referring to an "AS spectrum" not an
autistic spectrum.

I keep saying that AS is in the autistic spectrum, and that it has a
sort of spectrum of its own too.

No, thats what youre saying NOW. the 'in the autistic spectrum bit came
after you started losing that part of the argument.

at least now you claim its a 'spectrum within a spectrum' which is a
little better...

Once again, do you actually understand what a spectrum is?

Yes, thanks.

A common criteria yes, but we may not necessarily have the same
symptoms, abilities and difficulties, aka we are at different levels,
aka we are placed on different places on a spectrum.

no. your and my 'other abilities' are nothing to do with our AS and thus
place neither of us on 'different levels' within your mystical 'AS
spectrum'.

An autistic can be anywhere within the spectrum, he/she is still an
autistic. You and I are both AS, we are still autistic.

My god, you're finally getting it...

Just because I
deal with it better than you doesn't make me any less AS, it just puts
me at a different level within the common criteria of AS.

....Ah well, crash and burn. but go on repeating it. Thats the second
time in one post...

My partner's son is far worse than me, he is still AS, i.e. we are on
different levels, i.e. we exist within a spectrum of the syndrome.

Do you understand what spectrum means yet?

Yep. still failing to see how it can be applied to a syndrome requiring
specific criteria. Either you have them or you dont.

Why not just save yourself some time and just wear a badge announcing
it.

I used to sign my usenet posts 'AS and proud of it' about 10 years ago.
I've since stopped doing that as its fairly pointless.

On 15 Oct 2004 10:00:58 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Nope, it's just an extreme form of obsessive behaviour, hard-wired
more into males than females. Some of us would consider it to be more
of a next evolutionary step, than an ailment.....

And how do you know about all this?

Read my posts! :-)

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Kurt Hamster wrote:

Who said it had anything to do with geography? I know only one other
aspie in my local area. the rest are friends off the 'net (whom I *have*
met IRL many times).

Dialect, vernacular, colloquialisms. All make a difference.

yet you ignore the fact that despite my friends geographical locality
being *world wide*, they all use the term aspie. I guess the above DONT
really make much of a difference...

Personally I think it's a rather stupid description.

better than ass burger and a lot less stigmatised than autistic.

Oh FFS, please define what you think a spectrum is.

I already have.

hint: a spectrum is a *continuous* set of something - eg. the visible
light spectrum is a continuous range of wavelengths between 400-700nm.

Perhaps you should be aware that you are being far too literal.

Did you not notice the use of 'eg.' above?


red is a subset of the above, however one wouldnt normally talk about a
'spectrum' of red light.

How many shades of red are there then?

Note your use of the word 'shades' as a collective noun...

besides most people would refer to the RANGE of red wavelengths, or 'red
part of the spectrum' if getting technical on the subject...

I haven't said it *is* a spectrum you ****wit, I've said it has a
spectrum within it.

Could you tell me the distinction between saying something *is* a
spectrum and has a spectrum (presumably of something) within it?

Thanks.

Of course not. they do, however, share a common syndrome (that means
collection of symptoms, btw).


They share a common label,

Called a syndrome. sndrome - collection of symptoms. Aspergers
*syndrome*. geddit?

there are different extents of AS.

No, not really. if your son is as low functioning as you make out, he is
misdiagnosed.

To use your expression there is a "continuous range" of
abilities/difficulties
etc within the syndrome.

No there is NOT.

or would you like to tell me how one aspies inability to organise a meal
is in any way part of the same 'range' of abilities that include another
aspies ability to draw really well?

I'd say those werent a continuous range of abilities at all. Hence not a
spectrum.

Yep, a post in january seems to be there. fair enough. You *did* note
the 'I make no greas secret of my AS' in the line above. still, that
makes twice in a year, not once a month, so you're only out by at
*least* a factor of 6...


Who said anything about once a month?

I guess *technically* you didnt say once a month, if we're being literal.

You did ask how many times 'this month' I had announced my AS, however,
so you are suggesting its something I do multiple times a month.

Actually, since its plural, I guess you are expecting a minimum of 2
times a month, so that makes you wrong by a factor of 12 instead... keep
going...

I said you'd mentioned it before, and that time was irrelevant too.

Googles threading is too messed up to tell what else happened in the
thread, and I dont archive news. ah well.

Dunno. why did you feel the need to publicly tell me you think I should
be a politician, in an audio NG?


Oh dear, you've lost the plot now.

I said no such thing.

I believe you wrote:

"Ever had thoughts of becoming a politician?"

Hmmm?

why would you write such a thing if you didnt think I stood a chance?

I suspect you enjoy the attention of being different, your choice of OS
supports that view.

I chose my OS for reliability and stability, nothing to do with being
different. Its also the best platform for many of my projects, due to
its open nature.

Yadda yadda yadda

Typical response from you when you've been corrected - Im *not* a 'look
at me, I run linux' type. I use it because it WORKS.

More modest too... ;-D

Statement of fact.

ROFL.

no. just because you've had 18 extra years doesnt mean you put them to
good use. heck, you ndont even seem to have put the previous 26 to good
use either...

How do you know? You know nothing of me.

I know you're a tit I likely wouldnt give time of day on the street...

no. your and my 'other abilities' are nothing to do with our AS and thus
place neither of us on 'different levels' within your mystical 'AS
spectrum'.

Of course they do, you just don't understand the concept.

If its not in the diagnostic criteria, its irrelevant to any mythical
'level' of AS.

Has it not occurred to you that your literal thinking is making it
impossible for you to truly understand what I am saying?

Nope, you're intellect isnt big enough for that to be an issue.

I used to sign my usenet posts 'AS and proud of it' about 10 years ago.
I've since stopped doing that as its fairly pointless.

Obviously.

Incidentally, it was 8 years ago.

Which would be 'about' 10 years ago then?

(btw, you're googling is obviously ****e as its as little as 5 years,
but still...)

And how do you know about all this?

Read my posts! :-)


Life's too short, I'm afraid.

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