"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:34:24 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:22:50 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On 22 Oct 2004 15:13:34 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Then how come you want to screw it up with a distorting, phase
shifting,
frequency-coloured valve amp?

We all know what rubbish to expect from card carrying mambers of the
"all
valve
amps are inadequate" club. You're not adding anything to the stale
heap
of
prejudices that were out of date before King Alfred burned the cakes.

No answer then I thought that might be the case.

You like the distorted sound of valves - just say it, nobody will
mind.


I've only just got round to this thread (looks a bit scary to me! :-),
but
put me down as one who 'prefers the distortion of valves' and I'll put
you
down as one who 'prefers the distortion of transistors' then.

There, job done, no big deal either way.... :-)

Actually, the big deal is that good amps of either kind do *not*
distort, but it's heck of a lot easier and cheaper to find a good SS
amp! Basically, as one US retailer used to say - tubes are for boobs.


Talking of boobs - I've got this morning's crop of 'Pink Pronunciamenti'
timed as follows:

7:17 am
7:20 am
7:21 am
7:32 am
7:33 am
7:36 am
7:37 am
7:38 am
7:40 am
7:44 am
7:47 am

Is that a) the fastest typing in the planet or b) were you up all night
filling your Drafts folder??

(Either way, I'm impressed...!!! :-)

I work in real time - it just doesn't take much time to deconstruct
the musings of the valves 'n vinyl brigade.


Well, 7 o clock on a Saturday morning's a little late for me - I've usually
been in bed a couple of hours before then......

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On 23 Oct 2004 16:57:29 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

I work in real time - it just doesn't take much time to deconstruct the
musings
of the valves 'n vinyl brigade.

Well, talking of deconstruction, if the only form of cummunication you
have
ended up with is 'feeling smug about blaming others for being wrong', then
imagine the severity of the underlying maladjustment.

Aside from your rather obvious Freudian slip, there is no 'smugness'
involved, simply a desire to help others get the best 'bang for the
buck', without being sidetracked by religious fanatics like you. It's
kinda like the war on terrorism, where we're trying to defend truth
and justice (or the American way - choose now) against the followers
of the evil god Set..........................



This ****'s losing it fast - I'm starting to feel seriously foolish just
reading this crap, never mind replying to it!!

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:18:08 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Andy Evans wrote:
Being a professional musician and having a good 'ear' for sound are not
- by a long chalk - interdependent

Extraordinary statement. So would you say that being an engineer and
being able to understand circuits "are not - by a long chalk -
interdependent" as well?

Plenty of excellent recording engineers have little understanding of
circuits at the component level. It just isn't necessary.

Ahem - that may perhaps not be a good application of the term
'engineer' - somewhat akin to 'road sanitation engineer'........

An maintenance engineer is a different matter.

Design engineers rarely have any involvement in the operation of audio
equipment on a pro basis.

Very true - but they often have excellent hi-fi systems!


WTF do *you* know about it???

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:11:17 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
Plenty of excellent recording engineers have little understanding of
circuits at the component level. It just isn't necessary.

Ahem - that may perhaps not be a good application of the term
'engineer' - somewhat akin to 'road sanitation engineer'........

The guys doing both the sound balance and recording are near universally
known as engineers in the record industry. At one time in broadcasting
they would have been known more correctly as operators, but this term
seems to have fallen out of use.

I've always liked the basic definition - if you can't design and build
a working engine, then you're not a frikkin' engineer!

And yup, as a member of the Society of Model Aeronautical Engineers, I
have done exactly that.


Oh dear. That's probably the saddest little remark I've ever read in this
group and may well have you binned by the time I have waded through the rest
of the crap you have poured in here. (If it got out that I was jerking with
a **** who builds 'models'......)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
The guys doing both the sound balance and recording are near universally
known as engineers in the record industry. At one time in broadcasting
they would have been known more correctly as operators, but this term
seems to have fallen out of use.

I've always liked the basic definition - if you can't design and build
a working engine, then you're not a frikkin' engineer!

I'd be happy to agree with you. Unfortunately, where I have to describe my
job for official purposes like car insurance, tax, etc, sound engineer
seems to be the only one understood.

However, I'd happily design and build a working valve or SS amp. Provided
the spec wasn't important. ;-)


Just listen to this clown.....

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On 23 Oct 2004 11:09:48 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Being a professional musician and having a good 'ear' for sound are not -
by a
long chalk - interdependent

Extraordinary statement. So would you say that being an engineer and being
able
to understand circuits "are not - by a long chalk - interdependent" as
well?

Actually, that's pretty much a necessity for an EE, but musos are
notorious for having crap hi-fi - since perfect reproduction is the
least of their priorities. So, we'll put you down as a typical muso,
shall we? :-)


More 'brown stuff' from the 'pink orifice' - Paravacini (a real audio
designer and manufacturer - not a yapping wannabee/neverwas) has
*specifically* designed amplifiers of the highest quality for musicians. I
was told that by his wife.

Sweeping, inaccurate, bigotted remarks are becoming the *trademarks* of this
groups Leading Idiot.....

"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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Andy Evans wrote:
musos are notorious for having crap hi-fi

I know a few thousand personally

UTTER bull****.

unless you met with *three* of them daily (assuming just ONE thousand) you
wouldnt even meet them all in a year.


I thought you had left this group???

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On 23 Oct 2004 16:54:05 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

musos are notorious for having crap hi-fi

I know a few thousand personally - how many do you know?

I know a few dozen. That's a more likely figure than your 'thousands'.



Frankly, I'm more inclined to believe Andy's 'thousands' that your 'few
dozen'....

"Wally" wrote in message
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Ian Molton wrote:

If the valvies and vinylphiles would simply *STOP CLAIMING* that their
setups are *HI FI* there would be no arguments here. They are free to
prefer their built in tone controll, mastering compression, lack of
high end that actually contains music, but to claim its HI FI is
cobblers.

What, exactly, is "hi-fi"?


A marketting term coined about 50 years ago to tempt people off 78s....

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:23:08 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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But you already *told* us that it's crap, since you claim that it
doesn't
sound
the same as it would if it was all SS.(SP)

Your reasoning about valve amps is about as meaningful as that of
Ghengis
Khan
when asked why he raped and pillaged half of Asia "They had sinned - if
they
had not sinned, God would not have sent me to punish them". He appeared
pretty
convinced, it seems. Shakespeare is all about the misuse of logic to
describe
events - King Lear believes G+R's empty flattery, Macbeth believes the
witches,
Othello believes the handkerchief trick and is convinced he is right,
Shylock
believes in his pound of flesh. The whole point of Shakespeare is the
delusions
created by specious ways of thinking - plus you will notice that the
characters
in question were all tyrants.


Ever seen 'Ghost Ship' (the one with *that* Italian actress in it.....
:-)??

It's all about a 'Soulcatcher' who's got fill his quota of captured souls
to
keep his 'boss' happy. Pinky's a bit like that - he bored himself to death
years ago with the dreariest-looking audio kit I've seen in a long time

Hmm, you consider a GyroDec, Krell and Apogee system to be 'dreary
looking'?


'Fraid so.....