In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
If by the term engineer, we mean recording engineer, then I can tell you,
from 15 years working at Decca Studios in London, there was not a
single member of the recording staff who could not play an instrument.
The two seem to go hand in hand.

Perhaps who ever employed them had a bee in his bonnet about this. It's
not uncommon for people to think only a musician can learn about music
recording. But it's rubbish.

I can give you several examples of talented musicians who are sound
engineers professionally. And rubbish.

And arguably the best 'live' broadcast sound music balancer of all time
couldn't read or play a note.

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
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In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
If by the term engineer, we mean recording engineer, then I can tell you,
from 15 years working at Decca Studios in London, there was not a
single member of the recording staff who could not play an instrument.
The two seem to go hand in hand.

Perhaps who ever employed them had a bee in his bonnet about this. It's
not uncommon for people to think only a musician can learn about music
recording. But it's rubbish.

I can give you several examples of talented musicians who are sound
engineers professionally. And rubbish.



And arguably the best 'live' broadcast sound music balancer of all time
couldn't read or play a note.


Who dat then?....

--
Tony Sayer

In article , Iain M Churches
wrote:


You took issue with me about the fact that NFB cancels even harmonics.
This is an experiment which every student of audio has carried out. In
case you skipped school that day, come over to my place, we will hook
up an HP3581A spectrum analyzer, and you can see it for yourself.

Perhaps I am confusing this thread with a different one. I had thought that
someone had said something to the effect that NFB reduced odd and even
harmonics/orders by different amounts. Not sure if the above is referring to
that, or to something else.

However my understanding is not that NFB 'cancels' distortion, but can be
applied to reduce the level of nonlinearity, thus potentially leading to a
reduction in the level of distortion.[1] When I have applied it (and
watched the results on a spectrum analyser) the result tends to be a
reduction in general of harmonics when the test waveform is a sinewave. Not
a 'cancellation', though.

Slainte,

Jim

[1] This makes some assumptions about the form of nonlinearity, e.g. the
transfer shape being continuous, etc.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
Perhaps who ever employed them had a bee in his bonnet about this. It's
not uncommon for people to think only a musician can learn about music
recording. But it's rubbish.

I can give you several examples of talented musicians who are sound
engineers professionally. And rubbish.

Yes indeed. But it probably reflects the fact that many engineers have
an interest in what goes on "on the other side of the glass"


Iain

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
And arguably the best 'live' broadcast sound music balancer of all time
couldn't read or play a note.


Who dat then?....

Replied to by e-mail as I've no wish to upset others. ;-)

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
Of course you have to. You have to be able to identify the sound of every
instrument you're recording in a mix, for a start.

I don't know the breed of recording engineer you have been mixing
with (no pun intended:-) but those with whom I work have considerably
more musical skill than being able to "identify the sound of every
instrument"
Kids of six can do that:-))


Iain

Replied to by e-mail as I've no wish to upset others. ;-)

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Both musicians, and recording engineers work seven days a week:-)

Indeed - ask a sound engineer how many musicians he's talked to in his career!
You might not believe the sheer volume of musicians playing around the place.
For a start, orchestras are full of them! If you were a dep/extra in London for
the major orchestras and the West End shows plus some film sessions, you'd meet
a good two thousand a year.

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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:23:59 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On 22 Oct 2004 16:49:30 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Well congratulations - your MC stage is solid state. So that probably adds
no
crap then.

As I have said before, you know **** all about my hifi system sounds. If
you
start telling me how it sounds from the wilds of Addis Abbaba or wherever
the
**** you live you either have ears the size of Crystal Palace and a
communication system as yet unknown to mankind, or you are simply choosing
thoughts in a random order. For instance, the sentence "Cauliflower putty
regionalises Libra gorillas" is approximately equal in meaning to the
combined
statements you have made about the sound from my system.

But you already *told* us that it's crap, since you claim that it
doesn't sound the same as it would if it was all SS. Your words, not
ours.

No Stewart. He did not say it was crap, he said it was different.
He is right. :-))
It is. :-))

Many of us interpret that difference as better.

Right, you interpret an amp which *changes* the input signal as
'better'. OK, I see where you stand.

You took issue with me about the fact that NFB cancels even harmonics.
This is an experiment which every student of audio has carried out. In case
you skipped school that day, come over to my place, we will hook up an
HP3581A spectrum analyzer, and you can see it for yourself.

You are an ignorant fool. Given a flat open-loop response, NFB affects
all harmonics equally. Given a falling OL response, NFB affects odd
harmonics in just the same way as even harmonics. To suggest otherwise
would get you laughed out of any engineering class. What cancels even
harmonics is push-pull operation, not NFB, as any EE knows.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
I don't know the breed of recording engineer you have been mixing
with (no pun intended:-) but those with whom I work have considerably
more musical skill than being able to "identify the sound of every
instrument"
Kids of six can do that:-))

Some may well. But I doubt it's the case with many who pontificate on here.

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