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"MINe 109" wrote
(Still remember listening at nearly top volume to Metallica "One" on
NS-1000Ms with a Quad 606 in the late 80s in the dem room at Chatham
Sevenoaks Hi-Fi, where I had a part-time job back then, after we'd
shut the shop. Our ears nearly bled!)

I've seen them, but have never heard them.

They (NS-1000M) were noted for being efficient *and* being able to take
high power.


Martin
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:20:18 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
So far we've been told that the holy grail in turntable platters is
either glass or plexiglass. These are very different materials. The
fact that the parameters of a 100 year old technology can't be nailed
down any better then this is indicative of how much ******** rules the
world of vinyl playback engineering.

A disc with a pickup resting on it acts rather like the diaphragm of a
microphone. Anyone who ever had a Transcriptors's design will be well
aware of this.;-)

So it seems only common sense to me that the disc must be isolated from
vibration of any sort - either structure or air borne. Including those
from the speakers. This must involve some form of heavy cover to the
entire turntable assembly.

Not if the disc is clamped to large mass of mechanically compatible
material - such as vinyl or acrylic.

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:26:52 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

Studio monitors would be a bad choice for the OP. He wants a
floorstander roughly equivalent to his KEF 104s and prefers classical
music. Monitors are often meant for tabletop positioning and have
frequency responses bumps to exaggerate recording/production flaws.

Honestly, he's going to have to look really really hard to find
a better speaker than his 104s. He might look into large planars
or move to full-range electrostatics.

I had 104s, and I can assure you that he will have no troble at all in
this regard. Given our new knowledge of his budget, I'd suggest a hard
look at the B&W N804, the Spendor S9 and the JMLab Elektra range. Also
of course the incomparable Quad 988/989 for a completely different
experience.

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:12:42 GMT, "Fleetie"
wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote
PS I forget Focal-JM Lab!: "The beryllium dome represents a quantum
advance in tweeter technology".

Duhhh, didn't the seminal Yamaha NS-1000M use a beryllium tweeter?

And a beryllium midrange!

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Dodge McRodgered wrote:

"Joseph Oberlander" emitted :


Based on recent listening evaluations, the bang-for-buck leader in studio
monitors could easily be the Behringer B2031A. They would make very gutsy
but nice-sounding speaker/amplifiers for use with a computer system and/or
CD player.

Those do look interesting.


The thing is, who wants to support a company which lifts ideas from
others who do all the hard work??

But that's the American way of doing business!

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Ross Matheson wrote:

Joseph Oberlander commented

: MINe 109 wrote:
:
: Studio monitors would be a bad choice for the OP. He wants a
: floorstander roughly equivalent to his KEF 104s and prefers classical
: music. Monitors are often meant for tabletop positioning and have
: frequency responses bumps to exaggerate recording/production flaws.
:
: Honestly, he's going to have to look really really hard to find
: a better speaker than his 104s. He might look into large planars
: or move to full-range electrostatics.

You guys are getting off on a tangent here. The OP (and my virtual ears
pricked up, because I own exactly the same model) specifically mentioned Kef
104*ab*, not Kef 104 the much later reference model. Mine are marked "1972"
on the back of the bass drivers ... but I can't afford to upgrade *yet*.

Indeed, no-one has mentioned the later (or latest) Kef models as contenders
until now, I think. Surely they would be a suitable & obvious upgrade?

Well... I thought he had the 104/6s. For $1200-$1500, he can find
mint pair with dual terminals and then get them re-foamed for
good measure. Few things will sound as good for the money.

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:52:10 GMT, "Fleetie"
wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote
(Still remember listening at nearly top volume to Metallica "One" on
NS-1000Ms with a Quad 606 in the late 80s in the dem room at Chatham
Sevenoaks Hi-Fi, where I had a part-time job back then, after we'd
shut the shop. Our ears nearly bled!)

I've seen them, but have never heard them.

They (NS-1000M) were noted for being efficient *and* being able to take
high power.

Yep, one of the truly great speakers. I wish I'd been able to afford
to keep mine. AFAIK, they still make them for the Japanese market.
--

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"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:51:11 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

For example, I've heard the Behringer B2031A speakers that I
mentioned, mounted on speaker stands. They sounded warm and
well-balanced, like many floorstanders.

Provided you pick the right settings...

The good news is that the settings are there to pick from. Because of the
active crossover design they are far more flexible and useful than the usual
tweeter level controls found on passive speakers.

They are also reasonably smooth.

Very smooth when properly used. At less than EUR 400 Per pair, all
inclusve, they are a real bargain.

Agreed. Since the issue was raised, I'm wondering how they would sound
compared to KEF 104s. It's been a long time since I've heard KEF 104s. From
what I recall, their performance was not unassailable.

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"Dodge McRodgered" wrote in message

"Joseph Oberlander" emitted :

Based on recent listening evaluations, the bang-for-buck leader in
studio monitors could easily be the Behringer B2031A. They would
make very gutsy but nice-sounding speaker/amplifiers for use with a
computer system and/or CD player.

Those do look interesting.

The thing is, who wants to support a company which lifts ideas from
others who do all the hard work??

You mean companies like Mackie whose HR824s are slavish copies of Genelecs?

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In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
So it seems only common sense to me that the disc must be isolated from
vibration of any sort - either structure or air borne. Including those
from the speakers. This must involve some form of heavy cover to the
entire turntable assembly.

Not if the disc is clamped to large mass of mechanically compatible
material - such as vinyl or acrylic.

It's a point, but then the disc itself isn't rigid. And most would prefer
it not to be in direct contact with a material harder than itself for
practical reasons.

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