Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

Having been away from audio for a long time, I am now looking to
upgrade from KEF 104ab, an speaker, probably similar to Spendor and
Rogers models. I would prefer a floorstander, but not much larger
footprint than my present speakers (ie, no Quads or Maggies). This is
for 2-channel stereo, not home theater.

Please suggest suitable brands and models. Friends have suggeted
Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio. However, I am confused by various "series"
within a brands (don't recall that happening when I shopped last time
but could just be my faulty memory!), eg, should I be looking at
Contour or something else in dynaudio?

All comments and advice appreciated.

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

In article , Newbie
wrote:

Having been away from audio for a long time, I am now looking to
upgrade from KEF 104ab, an speaker, probably similar to Spendor and
Rogers models. I would prefer a floorstander, but not much larger
footprint than my present speakers (ie, no Quads or Maggies). This is
for 2-channel stereo, not home theater.

Please suggest suitable brands and models. Friends have suggeted
Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio. However, I am confused by various "series"
within a brands (don't recall that happening when I shopped last time
but could just be my faulty memory!), eg, should I be looking at
Contour or something else in dynaudio?

All comments and advice appreciated.

Manufacturer websites should help you sort out the relative aims of the
different model series. You want something that can go more or less
where your old speakers went? The Contour series has a floorstander. The
other brands mentioned are worth investigating.

Stephen

PS Quad makes dynamic floorstanders, too.

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

Manufacturer websites should help you sort out the relative aims of the
different model series.

Thanks Stephen. I have glanced at web sites but they never say "Our
Concerto series is for serious music lovers and Sonata series for
newscasts"! Every description, even of lower items is rosy. I can't
always cut through that maze. It is best to get advice from other
audiophiles.

You want something that can go more or less where your old speakers
went?

They should of course improve upon the 104ab's, significantly,
otherwise why change? However, they'd be for serious classical music if
that is what you meant. Space limitations prevent me considering much
larger models. I also don't want to bother with stands anymore. Hence
floorstanders with small/moderate footprint.

PS Quad makes dynamic floorstanders, too.

Thanks.

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

In article , Newbie
wrote:

Manufacturer websites should help you sort out the relative aims of the
different model series.

Thanks Stephen. I have glanced at web sites but they never say "Our
Concerto series is for serious music lovers and Sonata series for
newscasts"! Every description, even of lower items is rosy. I can't
always cut through that maze. It is best to get advice from other
audiophiles.

Good point! You might choose different speakers for the heft of an
orchestra and the thump of dance music even if the technical demands are
similar.

You want something that can go more or less where your old speakers
went?

They should of course improve upon the 104ab's, significantly,
otherwise why change? However, they'd be for serious classical music if
that is what you meant. Space limitations prevent me considering much
larger models. I also don't want to bother with stands anymore. Hence
floorstanders with small/moderate footprint.

It's hard to say if anything would be better than what you have. A
friend of a friend classical listener has Sonus-Faber speakers. Another
speaker with classical appeal is the Allison Three, but that requires
corner placement.

I suffer along with Quads! but they do take up some room.

Stephen

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

"Newbie" wrote in message
...
Having been away from audio for a long time, I am now looking to
upgrade from KEF 104ab, an speaker, probably similar to Spendor and
Rogers models. I would prefer a floorstander, but not much larger
footprint than my present speakers (ie, no Quads or Maggies). This is
for 2-channel stereo, not home theater.

Please suggest suitable brands and models. Friends have suggeted
Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio. However, I am confused by various "series"
within a brands (don't recall that happening when I shopped last time
but could just be my faulty memory!), eg, should I be looking at
Contour or something else in dynaudio?

All comments and advice appreciated.

My choice would be for Dynaudio and Proac since they use the top 2 drivers
made IMO Dynaudio uses it own brand and Proac uses drivers sourced from
Scan-Speak.

An alternative that would give you at least as much bang for your buck, is
to look into kit speakers. There are several that require nothing more than
a screwdriver to assemble. Of these my personal favorite is the Thor which
uses drivers from a company by the name of SEAS. They are available through
www.madisound. you can find complete details and a review of hits speaker
which was designed by Joe D'appolito, one of the foremost designers in the
business. If you're looking to spend in the neighborhood of $1500.00 U.S.
they are worth a look.

Good Luck with whatever you choose.

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

Michael McKelvy wrote:

My choice would be for Dynaudio and Proac since they use the top 2
drivers made

Do you know which series within each model would be best to look at?
Maybe I have been out of this game for too long but the situation
confuses me. For example, Dynaudio site has Audience, Contour,
Confidence, and Evidence! Every write-up is superlative, leaving no
hint of what is the series aimed at. If you know Dynaudio (or proac)
range, please help!

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

Michael McKelvy wrote:

My choice would be for Dynaudio and Proac since they use the top 2
drivers made

Do you know which series within each model would be best to look at?
Maybe I have been out of this game for too long but the situation
confuses me. For example, Dynaudio site has Audience, Contour,
Confidence, and Evidence! Every write-up is superlative, leaving no
hint of what is the series aimed at. If you know Dynaudio (or proac)
range, please help!

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 04:06:44 GMT, Newbie wrote:

Michael McKelvy wrote:

My choice would be for Dynaudio and Proac since they use the top 2
drivers made

Do you know which series within each model would be best to look at?
Maybe I have been out of this game for too long but the situation
confuses me. For example, Dynaudio site has Audience, Contour,
Confidence, and Evidence! Every write-up is superlative, leaving no
hint of what is the series aimed at. If you know Dynaudio (or proac)
range, please help!

The 'basic' Audience series has some excellent speakers, the 52SE in
particular being a fine unit. Pair it with a good sub such as a REL
Stadium, and you won't go far wrong. If you prefer a floorstander,
then the bigger Spendors are superbly natural, as are the Proac
Response series.

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

Newbie wrote:

Having been away from audio for a long time, I am now looking to
upgrade from KEF 104ab, an speaker, probably similar to Spendor and
Rogers models. I would prefer a floorstander, but not much larger
footprint than my present speakers (ie, no Quads or Maggies). This is
for 2-channel stereo, not home theater.

Please suggest suitable brands and models. Friends have suggeted
Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio. However, I am confused by various "series"
within a brands (don't recall that happening when I shopped last time
but could just be my faulty memory!), eg, should I be looking at
Contour or something else in dynaudio?

All comments and advice appreciated.

I would advise a Sonus Faber. They get their drivers from dynaudio,
scanspeak, etc. Their work is *very* high quality and *very* good
looking. Although loyal to the source (ie, "hifi") their philosophy of
the human ear being the "strictest judge" and that they see home audio
reproduction as an end in itself, and as a form of artistic expression
by itself makes them stand out from all the rest, IMHO. You will get
very sweet and musical sounds when matched with the appropriate gear.

Two more advises:

1) Ignore the "all cd players, amps, speakers, wires, etc, sound the
same" type of borgs lurking around here. Just believe in your own ears.

2) Steer away from sonus faber if you are mostly into heavy metal, hard
rock, etc angry type of music.

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In article ,
Fella wrote:
1) Ignore the "all cd players, amps, speakers, wires, etc, sound the
same" type of borgs lurking around here. Just believe in your own ears.

I'd love to know who you think reckons all speakers sound the same?
I've never seen this in print anywhere - the writer would be laughed out
of court.

I'd caution against just relying on your ears without a reference. The
room used for listening in has a far greater influence on the final sound
than any competent amp or CD etc. So what may sound fine in a shop at a
quick audition may well disappoint at home.

Also, IMHO, apart from maximum SPL, a competent speaker should be equally
at home with any type of music - and speech. If a speaker sounds
'impressive' on one type of music more than another, it's a poor design.

--
*A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Fella wrote:

1) Ignore the "all cd players, amps, speakers, wires, etc, sound the
same" type of borgs lurking around here. Just believe in your own ears.


I'd love to know who you think reckons all speakers sound the same?

Well if some have the audacity to think that all cd players and amps
sound the same why not also speakers?

What about it howie? With level matching and 8 hours a day pink noise
listening subjected to the strictest iron curtain double blind tests you
think you would get a sonus faber sound the same as a, say, dynaudio ?


I've never seen this in print anywhere - the writer would be laughed out
of court.

Yes but he would come back.


I'd caution against just relying on your ears without a reference. The
room used for listening in has a far greater influence on the final sound
than any competent amp or CD etc. So what may sound fine in a shop at a
quick audition may well disappoint at home.

You are correct. I should have advised the newbie that (s)he should have
home auditioned any equipment for at least a week before any purchase
decision. That's what I do actually.



Also, IMHO, ... If a speaker sounds
'impressive' on one type of music more than another, it's a poor design.


Well I am not saying that for instance that some death metal vehemence
would sound bad with *spesifically* a sonus faber (it would sound bad
eminating from any old speaker, it wants to sound bad, yes?). What I am
saying is that its just a waste of money and abilities of the sonus
faber speakers to employ them on that kind of material. Sonus faber is
designed to bring out all the subtle inner details, the beauty, the
musicality, of a given piece of music, that IMHO, does not exist in
angry music. And since such music is preferably heard LOUD and with lots
of distortion, a sonus faber would be an overkill, as it were. A pair of
cremona costs at least three times as much as a pair of some average
cervin wega!s which are designed to give what the listeners or angry
music want.

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

Newbie wrote in message ...
Michael McKelvy wrote:

My choice would be for Dynaudio and Proac since they use the top 2
drivers made

Do you know which series within each model would be best to look at?
Maybe I have been out of this game for too long but the situation
confuses me. For example, Dynaudio site has Audience, Contour,
Confidence, and Evidence! Every write-up is superlative, leaving no
hint of what is the series aimed at. If you know Dynaudio (or proac)
range, please help!


"Ranges" often equate to "price brackets", I believe, price overlaps
are probably quite rare. I'm a Dynaudio user, I have just upgraded
from the Audience 42 to the Contour 1.3mk2 (now deleted,there's also a
1.3SE and 1.4, though not sure if the 1.3SE is still current either).
I have to say the Contours are by a mile the biggest improvement I've
ever made to my system over 20 years. At times they are simply
breathtaking. I got them second hand, mint for £675 and I believe you
can get them about £899 new (if you can find any). In somes respects,
it's hard to imagine how a speaker could be any better. I'd recommend
them without hesitation. They're stand mounters by the way, so factor
in about £100 for stands. (I've never quite understood why people
insist on floorstanders.)

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

In article ,
Fella wrote:
I'd love to know who you think reckons all speakers sound the same?

Well if some have the audacity to think that all cd players and amps
sound the same why not also speakers?

I think the expression would be all *competent* cd players and amps will
sound pretty close. Of course, it's easy to make an amp or CD player that
sounds different and impress the gullible.

What about it howie? With level matching and 8 hours a day pink noise
listening subjected to the strictest iron curtain double blind tests you
think you would get a sonus faber sound the same as a, say, dynaudio ?

Err, you're making a common mistake. You disagree with one point from a
person and therefore everything else he says is rubbish to. Not a good
idea.

Do you really think equipment makers don't make use of careful
measurements - even your favourite or most hated ones? Of course they do.
That doesn't mean to say they'll act on them, though.

snip

Also, IMHO, ... If a speaker sounds 'impressive' on one type of
music more than another, it's a poor design.


Well I am not saying that for instance that some death metal vehemence
would sound bad with *spesifically* a sonus faber (it would sound bad
eminating from any old speaker, it wants to sound bad, yes?). What I am
saying is that its just a waste of money and abilities of the sonus
faber speakers to employ them on that kind of material.

That's a bit elitist? Some here can remember when any kind of 'pop' music
was looked down on by many.

Sonus faber is designed to bring out all the subtle inner details, the
beauty, the musicality, of a given piece of music, that IMHO, does not
exist in angry music. And since such music is preferably heard LOUD and
with lots of distortion, a sonus faber would be an overkill, as it
were. A pair of cremona costs at least three times as much as a pair of
some average cervin wega!s which are designed to give what the
listeners or angry music want.

Any decent speaker is designed to reproduce its input accurately. Some
work better than others at this, of course.
One which reveals details 'perfectly' will continue to do so with
anything. A honky bass and shrieking treble type one might impress on some
things, but disappoint on others. Many these days also feed their AV
system through their main speakers, so don't forget to check on speech.
That can be most revealing.

--
*Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Fella wrote:



Well I am not saying that for instance that some death metal vehemence
would sound bad with *spesifically* a sonus faber (it would sound bad
eminating from any old speaker, it wants to sound bad, yes?). What I am
saying is that its just a waste of money and abilities of the sonus
faber speakers to employ them on that kind of material.


That's a bit elitist?

No, not really. That kind of music is already based on distortion, LOUD
and intimidating sounds, like I said "it wants to sound bad", and it
doesn't have any subtle, inner details or microdynamics...

I got a 1.5 year old.. When I play charlie haden to him (or some
neo-classical turkish jazz, or astor piazzola, whatever) he rolls around
the floor, smile on his face, listening and mumbling.. But once (to
experiment) I put on soundgarden, and another occasion ozzy ozbourne
(just to be sure of the first time behaviour) and on both occasions he
ran out of the room crying. He was sincerely frightened... I don't
think he was "looking down" on that kind of music, or being "elitist" ..
It's just the way that kind of music is. And yes, I'd rather hear
soundgarden from a pair of cervin wegas, then sonus fabers..

Any great unknown speaker brands?
 

Newbie wrote:

: Friends have suggeted Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio.

Those are well known names by now but I remember when each was news to
me and I suspected the salesman was trying to pull some trick. :)

Anyway, does anybody know any unknown / less well known speaker brands
that are of equal or better quality and much better value (ie, less
expensive) than these?

RPS

Any great unknown speaker brands?
 

In article , RPS
wrote:

Newbie wrote:

: Friends have suggeted Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio.

Those are well known names by now but I remember when each was news to
me and I suspected the salesman was trying to pull some trick. :)

Anyway, does anybody know any unknown / less well known speaker brands
that are of equal or better quality and much better value (ie, less
expensive) than these?

Triangle.

http://www.triangle-fr.com/welcome-2002.htm

Stephen

Any great unknown speaker brands?
 

"RPS" wrote in message
...
Newbie wrote:

: Friends have suggeted Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio.

Those are well known names by now but I remember when each was news to
me and I suspected the salesman was trying to pull some trick. :)

Anyway, does anybody know any unknown / less well known speaker brands
that are of equal or better quality and much better value (ie, less
expensive) than these?


Some (mebbe not all) of the Eltax brand get a very good rating in some of
the comix and are as cheap as chips. They are Danish and appear to be very
well made.

I got a pair of 'Millenium 100s' off ebay for a tenner (+ P&P) and they are
quite excellent, see:


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...ow/eltax01.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...ow/eltax02.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...ow/eltax03.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...ow/eltax04.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...ow/eltax05.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...ow/eltax06.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...ow/eltax07.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...ow/eltax07.jpg


(Sorry - haven't got time to sort them out, so I posted them all!)

Hint of Jamo Concert 8 in the shape of them...???

Any great unknown speaker brands?
 

In article ,
Roger McDodger wrote:

"MINe 109" emitted :

Triangle.

http://www.triangle-fr.com/welcome-2002.htm

Yep.. never heard of them. Any relation to Pink Triangle?? Those guys
were pioneers. First gay high-end brand to market!!

A friend of mine traded in M-L Aeriuses for Triangle floorstanders. His
interest is classical, especially piano, so he can be tough on speakers.

I guess those other guys are out of business. Sounds kinda "South Park":
the gayest stereo ever! You could play your "Out Classics" collection on
it.

Stephen

Any great unknown speaker brands?
 

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:16:27 +0100, Roger McDodger
wrote:

"MINe 109" emitted :

Triangle.

http://www.triangle-fr.com/welcome-2002.htm

Yep.. never heard of them. Any relation to Pink Triangle?? Those guys
were pioneers. First gay high-end brand to market!!

No, these guys are French.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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"Roger McDodger" wrote in message
...
"MINe 109" emitted :

http://www.triangle-fr.com/welcome-2002.htm

Yep.. never heard of them. Any relation to Pink Triangle?? Those guys
were pioneers. First gay high-end brand to market!!

A friend of mine traded in M-L Aeriuses for Triangle floorstanders. His
interest is classical, especially piano, so he can be tough on speakers.

Must be good..!

I guess those other guys are out of business. Sounds kinda "South Park":
the gayest stereo ever! You could play your "Out Classics" collection on
it.

Really. It's the gayest domestic hi-fi brand I've ever seen.


Spot the difference...

Santa Cruz lesbian and gay parade 1984.
http://www.glbthistory.org/photos/pinkflag.gif

Pink Triangle component.
http://www.kabrna.com/hifi/pacesetter.jpg


I had an LPT1 turntable and had dealing with the guys at Pink Triangle -
quite the nicest people I have ever dealt with. Sent me a speed controller
board and various other bits and pieces on a 'pay for what you keep, send
the rest back basis'. Incredible, this day and age.

I asked the bloke (damned if I can remember his name now) to confirm that
the 'Pink triangle' was connected to the pink triangles gays were forced to
wear in German WW2 concentration camps. He said it was *exactly* that - an
'homage' and rememberance...

I'm very sorry to see them go (the deck was a little cracker) but their last
ss amp killed them off - no market for such expensive 'esoterica' at that
time. Just goes to confirm 'it ain't what you do or the way that you do it
but the *timing* of when you do it'.....

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[Pink Triangle]

I always wanted a Tarantella.


Martin
--
M.A.Poyser Tel.: 07967 110890
Manchester, U.K. http://www.fleetie.demon.co.uk

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"Dodge McRodgered" wrote in message
...
"Roger McDodger" emitted :

I had an LPT1 turntable and had dealing with the guys at Pink Triangle -
quite the nicest people I have ever dealt with. Sent me a speed
controller
board and various other bits and pieces on a 'pay for what you keep, send
the rest back basis'. Incredible, this day and age.

Always fancied a De Capo..

I asked the bloke (damned if I can remember his name now) to confirm that
the 'Pink triangle' was connected to the pink triangles gays were forced
to
wear in German WW2 concentration camps. He said it was *exactly* that -
an
'homage' and rememberance...

You learn something everyday.. ;-)

Blimey, and there was me joking..

Still gay though..

http://user.faktiskt.se/ranefjord/reportage/16.jpg



Oh yes, as a nine bob watch I expect, but certainly but still damn nice
people to deal with (doesn't bother me in the least). I think the chap I
spoke to was 'Alan', IIRC. Anyhoo, this caused me to revisit my 'archives' -
here's my 'Little Pink Thing' (yes, that's what the initials stood for,
apparently!! ;-):


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keith_g/show/lpt01.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keith_g/show/lpt02.jpg


Hated that sodding Tabriz arm tho'......

Note the dust - tells you I ain't too gay, dunnit!!

(Or that I'm a bit of a slut...??? :-)

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"Keith G" wrote


Oh yes, as a nine bob watch I expect, but certainly but still damn nice

yebbut, nobbut...???


people to deal with (doesn't bother me in the least). I think the chap I
spoke to was 'Alan', IIRC. Anyhoo, this caused me to revisit my
'archives' - here's my 'Little Pink Thing' (yes, that's what the initials
stood for, apparently!! ;-):


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keith_g/show/lpt01.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keith_g/show/lpt02.jpg


Hated that sodding Tabriz arm tho'......

Note the dust - tells you I ain't too gay, dunnit!!

(Or that I'm a bit of a slut...??? :-)


Blx - meant to say this deck is what got me into acrylic platters. The
platter on an LPT1 was *completely machined* from acrylic sheet (at hideous
cost, apparently) for perfect balance - not just punched out of a sheet.
Once you have used an acrylic platter you won't want anything else - there's
something so damned 'sympatico' about them - and I don't mean in a
'technobabble' way (compatible resonances etc.)...

OK, done now.... ;-)

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"Dodge McRodgered" wrote in message
...
"Roger McDodger" emitted :

I had an LPT1 turntable and had dealing with the guys at Pink Triangle -
quite the nicest people I have ever dealt with. Sent me a speed
controller
board and various other bits and pieces on a 'pay for what you keep, send
the rest back basis'. Incredible, this day and age.

Always fancied a De Capo..

I asked the bloke (damned if I can remember his name now) to confirm that
the 'Pink triangle' was connected to the pink triangles gays were forced
to
wear in German WW2 concentration camps. He said it was *exactly* that -
an
'homage' and rememberance...

You learn something everyday.. ;-)

Blimey, and there was me joking..

Still gay though..

http://user.faktiskt.se/ranefjord/reportage/16.jpg

? - though what?

Rob

Any great unknown speaker brands?
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Roger McDodger" wrote in message
...
"MINe 109" emitted :

http://www.triangle-fr.com/welcome-2002.htm

Yep.. never heard of them. Any relation to Pink Triangle?? Those guys
were pioneers. First gay high-end brand to market!!

A friend of mine traded in M-L Aeriuses for Triangle floorstanders. His
interest is classical, especially piano, so he can be tough on speakers.

Must be good..!

I guess those other guys are out of business. Sounds kinda "South Park":
the gayest stereo ever! You could play your "Out Classics" collection on
it.

Really. It's the gayest domestic hi-fi brand I've ever seen.


Spot the difference...

Santa Cruz lesbian and gay parade 1984.
http://www.glbthistory.org/photos/pinkflag.gif

Pink Triangle component.
http://www.kabrna.com/hifi/pacesetter.jpg


I had an LPT1 turntable and had dealing with the guys at Pink Triangle -
quite the nicest people I have ever dealt with. Sent me a speed controller
board and various other bits and pieces on a 'pay for what you keep, send
the rest back basis'. Incredible, this day and age.

I asked the bloke (damned if I can remember his name now) to confirm that
the 'Pink triangle' was connected to the pink triangles gays were forced
to wear in German WW2 concentration camps. He said it was *exactly* that -
an 'homage' and rememberance...

I'm very sorry to see them go (the deck was a little cracker) but their
last ss amp killed them off - no market for such expensive 'esoterica' at
that time. Just goes to confirm 'it ain't what you do or the way that you
do it but the *timing* of when you do it'.....

A real shame they bit the dust - true innovators. That ss amp was a tad
daft.

Rob

Spendor, Proac, Dynaudio models
 

Newbie wrote:

Having been away from audio for a long time, I am now looking to
upgrade from KEF 104ab, an speaker, probably similar to Spendor and
Rogers models. I would prefer a floorstander, but not much larger
footprint than my present speakers (ie, no Quads or Maggies). This is
for 2-channel stereo, not home theater.

Please suggest suitable brands and models. Friends have suggeted
Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio. However, I am confused by various "series"
within a brands (don't recall that happening when I shopped last time
but could just be my faulty memory!), eg, should I be looking at
Contour or something else in dynaudio?

All comments and advice appreciated.

As a starting point, get a hold of the most recent issues of Stereophile and
The Absolute Sound that have their Recommended Components listings.

From that, you can glean the floorstanders within your budget that would
merit further research.


GeoSynch

Any great unknown speaker brands?
 

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:15:09 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

About Pink Triangle turntables:

Blx - meant to say this deck is what got me into acrylic platters. The
platter on an LPT1 was *completely machined* from acrylic sheet (at hideous
cost, apparently) for perfect balance - not just punched out of a sheet.
Once you have used an acrylic platter you won't want anything else - there's
something so damned 'sympatico' about them - and I don't mean in a
'technobabble' way (compatible resonances etc.)...

Heavens to Murgatroyd, something on which we agree! :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:02:33 +0100, Roger McDodger
wrote:

"Keith G" emitted :

I had an LPT1 turntable and had dealing with the guys at Pink Triangle -
quite the nicest people I have ever dealt with. Sent me a speed controller
board and various other bits and pieces on a 'pay for what you keep, send
the rest back basis'. Incredible, this day and age.

Always fancied a De Capo..

I asked the bloke (damned if I can remember his name now) to confirm that
the 'Pink triangle' was connected to the pink triangles gays were forced to
wear in German WW2 concentration camps. He said it was *exactly* that - an
'homage' and rememberance...

You learn something everyday.. ;-)

Blimey, and there was me joking..

Oh no, that was definitely the origin of the name. Just to pick a
small nit, homosexuals were forced to wear the pink triangle on the
streets - in the concentration camps, it didn't much matter.........

Shame they went bust, it was always good equipment, and they were
indeed a nice bunch of people to deal with.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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GeoSynch wrote:
Newbie wrote:


Having been away from audio for a long time, I am now looking to
upgrade from KEF 104ab, an speaker, probably similar to Spendor and
Rogers models. I would prefer a floorstander, but not much larger
footprint than my present speakers (ie, no Quads or Maggies). This is
for 2-channel stereo, not home theater.


Please suggest suitable brands and models. Friends have suggeted
Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio. However, I am confused by various "series"
within a brands (don't recall that happening when I shopped last time
but could just be my faulty memory!), eg, should I be looking at
Contour or something else in dynaudio?


I may have missed it, but have you given any idea of a budget ?

--
Nick

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Roger McDodger said:

Pink Triangle

Really. It's the gayest domestic hi-fi brand I've ever seen.

I once had a PIP II preamp with accumulator supply.
Flaky build quality, but one of the best sounding preamps I've ever
heard, especially on MC.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

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"Keith G" wrote in message


Blx - meant to say this deck is what got me into acrylic platters. The
platter on an LPT1 was *completely machined* from acrylic sheet (at
hideous cost, apparently) for perfect balance - not just punched out
of a sheet.

The idea that 12" disks would be punched out of a sheet of acrylic is
complete ********. They'd either be molded from resin or machined. Acrylic
in likely thicknesses can't be punched - it will shatter along the edge.

Once you have used an acrylic platter you won't want
anything else - there's something so damned 'sympatico' about them -
and I don't mean in a 'technobabble' way (compatible resonances etc.)...

So far we've been told that the holy grail in turntable platters is either
glass or plexiglass. These are very different materials. The fact that the
parameters of a 100 year old technology can't be nailed down any better
then this is indicative of how much ******** rules the world of vinyl
playback engineering.

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"Arny Krueger" said:

So far we've been told that the holy grail in turntable platters is either
glass or plexiglass. These are very different materials. The fact that the
parameters of a 100 year old technology can't be nailed down any better
then this is indicative of how much ******** rules the world of vinyl
playback engineering.

Hi Arnold!
Always nice to see an instructive post by a well-informed and
knowledgeable audio expert ;-)

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

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Sander deWaal said:

So far we've been told that the holy grail in turntable platters is either
glass or plexiglass. These are very different materials. The fact that the
parameters of a 100 year old technology can't be nailed down any better
then this is indicative of how much ******** rules the world of vinyl
playback engineering.

Hi Arnold!
Always nice to see an instructive post by a well-informed and
knowledgeable audio expert ;-)

Funny, that sound like a bit of a sermon to me.

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In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
So far we've been told that the holy grail in turntable platters is
either glass or plexiglass. These are very different materials. The
fact that the parameters of a 100 year old technology can't be nailed
down any better then this is indicative of how much ******** rules the
world of vinyl playback engineering.

A disc with a pickup resting on it acts rather like the diaphragm of a
microphone. Anyone who ever had a Transcriptors's design will be well
aware of this.;-)

So it seems only common sense to me that the disc must be isolated from
vibration of any sort - either structure or air borne. Including those
from the speakers. This must involve some form of heavy cover to the
entire turntable assembly.

--
*Consciousness: That annoying time between naps.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"RPS" wrote in message


Newbie wrote:

Friends have suggeted Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio.

Lesser-known in the US, better-known in Europe.

Those are well known names by now but I remember when each was news to
me and I suspected the salesman was trying to pull some trick. :)

Anyway, does anybody know any unknown / less well known speaker brands
that are of equal or better quality and much better value (ie, less
expensive) than these?

Given that many consumer loudspeaker brands include several models that
pretend to be recording studio monitors, consider learning about the real
thing. In many cases the real thing costs no more, and can easily outperform
the imitations.

Brands of true-and-genuine recording studio monitors:

Mackie, KRK, JBL Pro, Alesis, Tannoy, Dynaudio, Behringer, Event, M-Audio,
NHT Pro, Samson, Roland, Tapco, Nady, ART, Fostex, Yamaha Pro, Wharfdale,
Fostex.... Note that this is an inclusive list, not a list of speakers that
all equally merit serious consideration.

Many of these speakers include power amps, providing a convenient way to
build a minimalized system.

Based on recent listening evaluations, the bang-for-buck leader in studio
monitors could easily be the Behringer B2031A. They would make very gutsy
but nice-sounding speaker/amplifiers for use with a computer system and/or
CD player.

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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"RPS" wrote in message


Newbie wrote:

Friends have suggeted Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio.

Lesser-known in the US, better-known in Europe.

Those are well known names by now but I remember when each was news to
me and I suspected the salesman was trying to pull some trick. :)

Anyway, does anybody know any unknown / less well known speaker brands
that are of equal or better quality and much better value (ie, less
expensive) than these?

Given that many consumer loudspeaker brands include several models that
pretend to be recording studio monitors, consider learning about the real
thing. In many cases the real thing costs no more, and can easily outperform
the imitations.

Brands of true-and-genuine recording studio monitors:

Mackie, KRK, JBL Pro, Alesis, Tannoy, Dynaudio, Behringer, Event, M-Audio,
NHT Pro, Samson, Roland, Tapco, Nady, ART, Fostex, Yamaha Pro, Wharfdale,
Fostex.... Note that this is an inclusive list, not a list of speakers that
all equally merit serious consideration.

Many of these speakers include power amps, providing a convenient way to
build a minimalized system.

Based on recent listening evaluations, the bang-for-buck leader in studio
monitors could easily be the Behringer B2031A. They would make very gutsy
but nice-sounding speaker/amplifiers for use with a computer system and/or
CD player.

Studio monitors would be a bad choice for the OP. He wants a
floorstander roughly equivalent to his KEF 104s and prefers classical
music. Monitors are often meant for tabletop positioning and have
frequency responses bumps to exaggerate recording/production flaws.

One exception (of many) would be the BBC monitors available in the UK by
various makers: Rogers, etc.

Stephen

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Nick Gorham wrote:

: Having been away from audio for a long time, I am now looking to
: upgrade from KEF 104ab, an speaker, probably similar to Spendor and
: Rogers models. I would prefer a floorstander, but not much larger
: footprint than my present speakers (ie, no Quads or Maggies). This is
: for 2-channel stereo, not home theater.
:
:
: Please suggest suitable brands and models. Friends have suggeted
: Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio. However, I am confused by various "series"
: within a brands (don't recall that happening when I shopped last time
: but could just be my faulty memory!), eg, should I be looking at
: Contour or something else in dynaudio?

: I may have missed it, but have you given any idea of a budget ?

No. I have plenty of money, but I am not determined to spend it. :) I
could say 5K, but I would like to spend less and can spend more. Part
of it is to determine where the best value is, that would be noticeable
improvement upon my KEF's for least amount of money.

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Arny Krueger wrote:

Mackie, KRK, JBL Pro, Alesis, Tannoy, Dynaudio, Behringer, Event, M-Audio,
NHT Pro, Samson, Roland, Tapco, Nady, ART, Fostex, Yamaha Pro, Wharfdale,
Fostex.... Note that this is an inclusive list, not a list of speakers that
all equally merit serious consideration.

Many of these speakers include power amps, providing a convenient way to
build a minimalized system.

Based on recent listening evaluations, the bang-for-buck leader in studio
monitors could easily be the Behringer B2031A. They would make very gutsy
but nice-sounding speaker/amplifiers for use with a computer system and/or
CD player.

Those do look interesting. I like my JBL 4408s, but most people don't
have $650 to spend on a pair of speakers for their bedroom. The JBL
4200 series is pretty simmilar to these, though.

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MINe 109 wrote:

Studio monitors would be a bad choice for the OP. He wants a
floorstander roughly equivalent to his KEF 104s and prefers classical
music. Monitors are often meant for tabletop positioning and have
frequency responses bumps to exaggerate recording/production flaws.

Honestly, he's going to have to look really really hard to find
a better speaker than his 104s. He might look into large planars
or move to full-range electrostatics.

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RPS wrote:
Newbie wrote:

: Friends have suggeted Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio.

Those are well known names by now but I remember when each was news to
me and I suspected the salesman was trying to pull some trick. :)

Anyway, does anybody know any unknown / less well known speaker brands
that are of equal or better quality and much better value (ie, less
expensive) than these?

RPS

Based on Triangle drivers :
http://www.waterfallaudio.com/indexhtm.html

An interesting drivers manufacturer :
http://www.atohm.com/index.php
I have the occasion to hear these ones, very nice, very clean, very nice
spatial reproduction :
http://www.atohm.com/enceintes.php?enceintes_ref=4
they should be available as kit.